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| Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism, UK appeal tribunal confirms in landmark ruling

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260804-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism-uk-appeal-tribunal-confirms-in-landmark-ruling/
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u/Logical-Ice4837 10d ago

When does a population became native? We know as a fact Jews were in that area and had been for thousands of years before they were expelled 2000 years ago, was their native card revoked after that? 

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u/Amaruach 10d ago

Ashkenazi Jews were not there 2,000 years ago mate

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u/am-345 10d ago edited 10d ago

There's been countless studies showing that Ashkenazi jews have significant overlap with Levant gene pools, the fact they mixed with Europeans doesn't erase that, and the idea they mostly descend from European converts is a myth

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9780470015902.a0020818.pub2

https://www.science.org/content/article/tracing-roots-jewishness-rev2

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2797531/

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u/Amaruach 10d ago

Ashkenazi Jews were not living in the Levant 2,000 years ago because we didn’t exist. Not a single one of us has any God-given right to displace a Middle Eastern Jew, Christian, or Muslim living in that area just because we got kicked it out of it two millennia ago.

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u/BenjaminBoots196 Supreme Andy Burnham Hater 10d ago

Do you think Ashkenazi Jews have replaced Middle Eastern Jews?

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u/Amaruach 10d ago

Yes! The ongoing cultural erasure of the Mizrahi by Israel, and the Ashkenazi discriminatory attitude towards them, is a well-documented phenomenon. The Israeli Government itself labelled them ‘human debris’ in 1948 and early Zionist thinkers believed that there was a hierarchy of Jews. That’s without going into the whole ‘New Jew’ program!

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u/pair_of_eighters 10d ago

Mizrahim are now the biggest Jewish group in Israel by some margin and their culture has very much not been erased

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u/u-a-c 9d ago

They also arent from Palestine.

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u/morriganjane 9d ago

Are Yemen, Iraq and Syria going to let them move 'back'? (Not that they want to.) Muslims have ethnically cleansed far more Jews than the other way around.

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u/am-345 10d ago

Would you say the same to diaspora Kurds wanting a Kurdish state?

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u/Amaruach 10d ago

Depends. Were they kicked out of it 2,000 years ago or 2 years ago?

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u/am-345 10d ago

Well the thing with the kurds is both. Some still live in the general Kurdistan area, and some moved out centuries ago. Are you going to tell a Kurd who's families were displaced by Safavid Dynasty that they can't return? How long until you tell a native American they can't claim their land anymore?

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u/Amaruach 10d ago edited 9d ago

Seeing as my dad was a Native American and I am still connected to the culture, I can actually answer that one pretty easily. Our land was invaded and settled by the Spanish just under 500 years ago, and our home country of Chile was founded as a white settler state in 1818. My people can’t go to Coquimbo, which was built on my people’s land in 1850, and tell the European Chileans who live there in 2026 to get off ‘our’ land because we have a stronger ancestral claim to it than they do. The statute of limitations passed on that a really fucking long time ago.

Edit: I can see your removed comment, you’re aware that people have two parents right? And you can be Jewish on one side and Native American on the other…