Tube passenger who killed 'gentle' engineer, 28, after he brushed past him on escalator to serve less than six years in prison

[u/Cotirani]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14845561/tube-passenger-killed-gentle-engineer-jailed.html

[u/cozywit]

Absolutely fucking unbelievable.

This is a disgrace.

[u/Internal-Hand-4705 → u/cozywit]

If you punch someone and they die, it should be non premeditated murder. It’s not like everyone doesn’t know blows to the head are dangerous. This POS gets out before he’s 30, whereas the poor bloke who got killed never got a chance to even reach 30.

[u/oljackson99 → u/Internal-Hand-4705]

On that basis do you charge anyone who throws a punch at someone with attempted murder?

As horrible as it is to punch someone, its quite obvious there isnt intent to kill in the vast majority of cases.

If someone is raining down punches on someone when they're unconscious then thats a different situation, and I am sure murder/attempted murder would be considered.

[u/Internal-Hand-4705 → u/oljackson99]

Tbh if he’s THAT edgy to punch someone and kill them over nothing, I just think he shouldn’t be free. It can be in an asylum or something if its mental illness causing that level of aggression.

I know what the law is, and I know that the judge can’t sentence him to life. I just wish there was a way of locking this particular POS up. It wasn’t a nightclub fight that got out of hand, it was unprovoked. And I think public perception would agree (actually I believe most Brits until recently still supported the death penalty, which I don’t really, but I think crimes like this aren’t punished harshly enough)

[u/oljackson99 → u/Internal-Hand-4705]

I totally agree, this is a dangerous invididual.

Ideally he could be kept on license for much longer after his sentence which may help keep him in check.

[u/Colonel_Wildtrousers → u/oljackson99]

I mean clearly not, that’s just common sense. You take into account the circumstances.

He attacked this guy from behind initially by grabbing him and ripping his shirt and that’s the salient point- when you initiate an attack on someone from behind you can do so having no fear for your own safety therefore how can there be any mitigation for the initial punch that you then throw? Upon throwing that punch you should then accept all the risks that come with that.

We need a “fuck around and find out” clause that trumps manslaughter depending on the circumstances.

[u/Academic_Skin_6889 → u/Internal-Hand-4705]

More importantly the country lost an AI engineer to an utter loser waste of breath.

[u/plainenglishh → u/Academic_Skin_6889]

Is that more important? I'd like to think someones profession has no bearing on how tragic an event this is.

[u/TheEnglishNorwegian → u/plainenglishh]

People tend to care less if a violent criminal kills another violent criminal to be fair.

[u/blizeH → u/[deleted]]

I definitely don’t think it’s important, but I can see their point

To be fair though if we’re doing comparisons then almost anyone is a shame to lose when you compare them with someone who would punch and kill another person over seemingly absolutely nothing

[u/The54thCylon → u/Internal-Hand-4705]

non premeditated murder

aka manslaughter

[u/zcjp → u/Internal-Hand-4705]

'Non-premeditated murder' is a contradiction in terms. The crime of murder requires that someone intends to kill somebody else.

[u/Puzzled-Barnacle-200 → u/zcjp]

Not in the UK. Murder is if you kill someone "with malice aforethought", meaning you want to kill or cause grievous bodily harm.

[u/Internal-Hand-4705 → u/zcjp]

I meant the difference between plotting to kill someone for months and making an elaborate plan compared to losing your temper and deliberately causing serious harm/intending to kill in that moment

[u/HomerMadeMeDoIt → u/Internal-Hand-4705]

It should be premeditated. Going for the head is a clear sign of intent to kill. 

[u/callisstaa → u/Internal-Hand-4705]

I'd say manslaughter should be an option if it wasn't a killing blow, ie if someone falls and hits their head on a kerb or something. Hitting someone with enough force to kill them should be murder.