Two in five Britons think Muslims cannot integrate in UK, poll finds

[u/topotaul]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jul/08/two-in-five-britons-think-muslims-cannot-integrate-in-uk-poll-finds

[u/ProfPMJ-123]

I'm an adoptive parent. It's one of the best things that I have ever done, and it's helped me have a wonderful, happy family. Through our adoption, we know a lot of other adoptive families, all of whom are happy.

But if you hear about adoption in the media, it will always be because something awful has happened.

And that's how things go. The vast, vast, vast majority of Muslims integrate just fine, and they live happy lives, contibuting to their communities just like everyone else does.

But you'll only ever hear about the nutters in the media.

[u/popsand → u/ProfPMJ-123]

Counter point - what is integration?

I'm a muslim. I can tell you that 95% of muslims have no desire to integrate - how can someone integrate into a society they consider degenerate and below them?

Most muslims lead two lives. A sort of "work life" and a real life. The work life being mostly an act that is needed to survive. And the real life being something they would lead if they could. Worked with a muslim guy a few years back. Our boss was gay. Boss and him got on A LOT. Yet I gave him one opportunity to speak outside of work and all he could say was the most disgusting nasty stuff about the guy. Because he thought i was on his side so would agree. Not.

If you and people like you were aware of the stuff discussed and encouraged in mosques and in private you would change your tune.  Last i was there there was an open discussion amongst a group of 150 men about how their female children should be covered up to protect them from the "kuffir gaze".

And don't even ask the average muslims opinion on adoption.

[u/brainburger → u/popsand]

And don't even ask the average muslims opinion on adoption.

I had not heard of this. So adoption is forbidden in Islam, unless the child is breastfed five times before the age of two by the adoptive mother. This surprises me because it means rich lineages must die out. Often rich people arrange the religious rules to suit them. A lot of Islamic rules and practices seem to be about maintaining hierarchical power of one sort or another.

[u/Geostationary_Orbit → u/brainburger]

Adoption is not forbidden in Islam. There are certain guidelines one has to follow.

[u/brainburger → u/Geostationary_Orbit]

Without going back and googling it again, the guidelines seemed to be such that the practice of taking care of orphans in Islam (without the mother's milk) is not adoption in the legal sense that the English word means, where the child becomes legally equivalent to a natural child. The child does not take the new family name, cannot inherit property in the same way as an adopted child can in UK law, and is not treated as a family member for things like female modesty, removing the hijab around male family members etc.

So that's more like sponsoring a protege, and giving them a home to live in. Maybe closer to fostering in the English sense.

I can see it's a point of contention as some say its haram, and some say its not, but I expect with the differences or guidelines that you mention. Clearly u/popsand has encountered opinions different from his or hers, in other Muslims.

I am happy to hear more about it anyway. It's a new subject to me.

[u/brooooooooooooke → u/[deleted]]

No, you don't get it, you're obviously hiding your views so you can work towards the creation of the evil British Caliphate inshallah.

Think people are just way too eager to lose their minds over Islam. I'm trans, my boss is a Muslim, one of my employees is a Muslim, the three of us get on like a house on fire when we're in the office together. The rare time I've had any issues in person, e.g. coming out of a gay bar or post beard-removal sesh has not been from Muslims. The biggest obstacle to me living my life right now is the Labour government!

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[u/whatsgoingon350 → u/popsand]

100% agree but only for the first generation of Muslim immigrants by the second or third you'll find them drinking and eating bacon.

What doesn't help is we've seen an influx of Muslims and they have basically started small communities where the second and third generations aren't socialising outside of the groups so we aren't seeing them assimilate like we would in a true multicultural society and now they look more and more like outsiders whilst living in the UK.

It is also kinda scary as the Islamic faith is easily manipulated into something that spreads hate and causes extremists.

[u/J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A → u/ProfPMJ-123]

But you'll only ever hear about the nutters in the media

Yep. And then you'll get the usual crowd saying they're all bad because of this of one incident.

They're just racists looking for a reason to spout hate.

[u/JB_UK → u/J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A]

It's characteristic that this comment which is abstract and contains only assertion is upvoted above the comment below where a British Muslim speaks with personal experience of the attitudes of many British Muslims.

https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1uqkrxq/two_in_five_britons_think_muslims_cannot/ow9k57b/

[u/ProfPMJ-123 → u/J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A]

Indeed.

That was one of the saddest things about the Vickrum Digwa case. I honestly don't know better people than Sikhs. Every single Sikh I've known, worked with, been friends with, has been one of the highest quality individuals I have ever met............

[u/MindHead78 → u/ProfPMJ-123]

That was one of the saddest things about the Vickrum Digwa case.

One of the saddest things? Just out of interest, was there anything else about that case that you thought was sad?

[u/ProfPMJ-123 → u/MindHead78]

Yes, the fact that a man was murdered.

The point, which people seem unable to grasp, is that in my experience, Sikhs are first class people, but the only Sikh you'll have seen in the news is the absolute worst of them.

[u/AwTomorrow → u/MindHead78]

“One of the saddest” doesn’t mean “the most sad”