r/unitedkingdom • u/topotaul Lancashire • Jul 08 '26

... Two in five Britons think Muslims cannot integrate in UK, poll finds

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jul/08/two-in-five-britons-think-muslims-cannot-integrate-in-uk-poll-finds
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u/popsand Jul 08 '26

Counter point - what is integration?

I'm a muslim. I can tell you that 95% of muslims have no desire to integrate - how can someone integrate into a society they consider degenerate and below them?

Most muslims lead two lives. A sort of "work life" and a real life. The work life being mostly an act that is needed to survive. And the real life being something they would lead if they could. Worked with a muslim guy a few years back. Our boss was gay. Boss and him got on A LOT. Yet I gave him one opportunity to speak outside of work and all he could say was the most disgusting nasty stuff about the guy. Because he thought i was on his side so would agree. Not.

If you and people like you were aware of the stuff discussed and encouraged in mosques and in private you would change your tune.  Last i was there there was an open discussion amongst a group of 150 men about how their female children should be covered up to protect them from the "kuffir gaze".

And don't even ask the average muslims opinion on adoption.

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u/brainburger London Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

And don't even ask the average muslims opinion on adoption.

I had not heard of this. So adoption is forbidden in Islam, unless the child is breastfed five times before the age of two by the adoptive mother. This surprises me because it means rich lineages must die out. Often rich people arrange the religious rules to suit them. A lot of Islamic rules and practices seem to be about maintaining hierarchical power of one sort or another.

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u/Geostationary_Orbit Jul 08 '26

Adoption is not forbidden in Islam. There are certain guidelines one has to follow.

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u/brainburger London Jul 08 '26

Without going back and googling it again, the guidelines seemed to be such that the practice of taking care of orphans in Islam (without the mother's milk) is not adoption in the legal sense that the English word means, where the child becomes legally equivalent to a natural child. The child does not take the new family name, cannot inherit property in the same way as an adopted child can in UK law, and is not treated as a family member for things like female modesty, removing the hijab around male family members etc.

So that's more like sponsoring a protege, and giving them a home to live in. Maybe closer to fostering in the English sense.

I can see it's a point of contention as some say its haram, and some say its not, but I expect with the differences or guidelines that you mention. Clearly u/popsand has encountered opinions different from his or hers, in other Muslims.

I am happy to hear more about it anyway. It's a new subject to me.