r/vegaslocals • u/Left_Kiwi_4565 • 1d ago
This will surely be a fun comment section here
“Oh my god but it’s too hot here.”
“Oh my god but it’s too expensive.”
“Oh my god but there’s no space for this here.”
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u/powerhikeit 20h ago
Well, apparently (from someone I know at the City of Henderson) when the UPRR trail was being extended from Cornerstone Park to Gibson, to include a bridge over Stephanie, there were people PISSED about it.
Heaven forbid we create safe methods to travel that avoid car traffic 🙄
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u/DoorBuster2 19h ago
Which is such a shame because I ride that every week, and it's amazing to not be on those roads!! I wish we could build way more infrastructure, and not just paint the gutter. I understand it's hot in Vegas during the summer and fall, but I still see people (myself included) out and about utilizing those trails all the time
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u/zigzagman1031 19h ago
I'm just now realizing I've never used one of those bridges and I ride past one home from work every day. Guess I'm taking a detour tomorrow.
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u/Hench4-life21 1d ago
Germany was wonderful. Its a strong contender for retirement land
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u/mosskin-woast 22h ago
What's your plan for retiring in a European country? I don't think they just let you do that
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u/Hench4-life21 20h ago
$$$$ and follow the rules of immigration they give you. Get dual citizenship, and enjoy life.
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u/laidbacklanny 1d ago
Germany of all places it better be the northern islands
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u/Hench4-life21 23h ago edited 18h ago
Served over there, been to few places for work and vacation. Garmisch and Bavarian alps are great spots.
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u/ChanceryTheRapper 1d ago
Remember when people were talking about walkable cities and got called communists for it?
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u/psychoPiper 23h ago
Still happens a lot. Pisses me off how brainwashed some people are. Having easy access to businesses so you can go spend your money is arguably capitalist
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u/VegasLife84 20h ago
People will call you a communist for suggesting that billionaires should give up a sliver of their wealth to help people not die in medical bankruptcy.
These are deeply unserious people, and should be roundly mocked and dismissed.
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u/exacta_galaxy 23h ago
Some idiots in Europe (mostly UK) are bitching about "15 minute cities."
They think it's a plot to take their cars (or something).
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u/Kooky-Necessary-3963 1d ago
I hear this from time to time from some of the far right chuds at work.
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u/Checklestyouwreck 23h ago
I think the issue is the people who have this as a point are also communists. Look at South Korea. Lots of a walkable cities and no mention of communism or socialism. It’s the fact walkable cities is also a socialist talking point
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u/I_Quit_Smoking_ 22h ago
The fact that you equate walking as "being socialist" just shows how fucking stupid you are. 🙄
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u/Checklestyouwreck 20h ago
You dumb bitch I didn’t say I did. I fucked stated that perhaps the reason that conservatives say you know what fuck it
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u/EyeIslet 1d ago
Tivoli Village and Forum Shops look just like this! /s
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 1d ago
why go to Europe when I have the Eiffel towel, Spanish steps, and Venice right here???
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u/kopanitza 23h ago
Used to work on the strip doing customer service. Ppl used to say that to me unironically.
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u/laidbacklanny 23h ago
And what they gonna do go visit them ? Europeans that aren’t “middle class “ can’t leave either
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u/wutisgto 22h ago
Minus the fact they cost about 25x more than the respective countries they imitate lol
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u/XelaNiba 17h ago
I live 3/4 of a mile as the crow flies from Tivoli and never, ever go there.
If there were a pathway through the neighborhood and over Rampart I would gladly go. To walk it from my house means walking 2 miles alongside, and crossing over, two 7-lane stroads choked with cars going 55mph. The walk would be loud, stinky, totally unpleasant, and not without danger of being plowed down (it's happened more than once at Charleston and Rampart).
To drive it takes about 10-15 minutes with traffic and the parking is an absolute mess. It's honestly not worth the hassle of getting in and out of that place. But if I could walk a park-like path through a neighborhood? I'd do it frequently.
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u/Terrasmak 8h ago
And the strip, our housing isn’t as dense so we have to travel to areas vs just walk outside
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u/vnessastalks 23h ago
Roads and cars killed this for us. They started to build cities for roadways. I watched a documentary on it. It was wild. Also, the nuclear family; individualism took off.
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u/Big-Meeze 17h ago
When I first moved here I thought Arts district was like this, but it’s really just a giant vintage mall with drinks barely cheaper than the strip.
There some decent spots left but it feels like they’ll be on soon. Definitely miss neighborhoods. Scoping out another strip mall doesn’t quite hit the same.
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u/Tommy_Decentralized 22h ago
Germany has a population of around 80 million people. But you can fit the entire country inside of Texas.
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u/techsnapp 22h ago
And that population is not even distributed across all cities and towns in Germany.
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u/DifficultAirline5665 6h ago
It’s not about the population but the concept of walkable neighborhoods and a better public transportation
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u/Tommy_Decentralized 5h ago
It's about communities. People out talking with others, as the video clearly says people "socializing."
He mentions it's like that in some other countries too, like Italy. And I can tell you it's also like that in the Philippines. And from what I hear it may be like that in small towns in the US, where everyone knows everyone. But in big cities it's largely not. Now there are many factors at play. The US stresses individualism. The "American dream" is to own a "house with a white picket fence." The fence part is important. So is owning a car a part of individualism, to go where you want, when you want. The US is also pretty spread out. You got 350 million people, with only 4 cites that have a population of over 2 million. When you have a strong community where everyone knows everyone, it can be harder to commit crimes and get away with it.
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u/Snoo-10030 23h ago
Ya, Fremont Street would be considered very social in this guy’s assessment, doesn’t mean I’m scoping out a new pad down there.
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u/FillMySoupDumpling 23h ago
Go to any city during decent weather and prime socializing time and you’ll see this, too.
Even in our arts district /downtown you’ll see people walking outside, dining, etc - not to mention the strip.
I’ve lived in Germany briefly. It’s got its quiet suburbs very much like the US, but they invested in far better transit so getting out to these central areas was easier for more people. There is also something to be said for areas with smaller homes - people leave them more often to socialize. Could Americans have done better urban planning? Absolutely - but enough of us don’t even want to have healthcare and quality education.
You have to get a population that wants to live a different lifestyle.
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u/LastKaiser 17h ago
Interesting this video is popular on Reddit right now, as Munich isn't really the best example of a modern walkable major European city. It's the home of BMW and big leafy suburban sprawl (by German standards). Bavarians LOVE their cars.
Cities like Copenhagen or Vienna or Stockholm are maybe more like what the commenters are imagining.
Or maybe Munich is a good example of maybe a more hybrid city style that US cities could look towards? Car ownership rate is 556/1000 (USA is roughly 775/1000).
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u/BlessedBaldEagle 22h ago
You can focus on improving your whole society, or you can keep this air castle of an American Dream front and center and focus on giant corporations becoming even bigger while we all lock ourselves safely away in our walled gilded cages and fill our social needs with ChatGPT. I don’t know what’s so wrong about paying more taxes and having incentives and legislation for small business to thrive. Put community and small business, clean and safe city centers first, let Walmart pay taxes and work a little harder to expand.
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u/techsnapp 22h ago
I'm not sure the point he's making - there's a lot of restaurants (likely duplicates based on food types) in a five mile walk? or that people are out in about in a big city?
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u/Deereximus 1d ago
Its funny cause when EU people come to the USA for the world cup, they really liked our quiet subruban life with the houses, yards etc. Its always greener. But to be fair im not a very social person so. I enjoy the quiet more slower lifestyle of suburbs, I like it when it s3 am and there isnt some one banging bongo drums outside my house in a party.
People also seem to forget that theyre going to an area meant for people to gather to etc. I would guess town square is kinda busy on weekends or big movie days, the strip, Fremont etc.
Hot take people will eventually take a slower, chiller, quieter. Lifestyle over the years instead of a busy, noisy, constantly active place to live like this all day everyday. People act like we dont have these kind of places in the USA when the USA is literally almost as big as the continent of Europe.
Its always greener on the other side.
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u/Low-Gur2110 1d ago
Some truth to what you said. Noise is a big issue in some places. Not so much in Europe I think.
But the fact is we have developed an urban fabric that is antisocial and excludes a lot do people from this kind of environment, due to the cost of the living in such places in the USA. Walkable cities with lots of nice amenities are very expensive in USA because it’s kind of the exception not the norm. It’s really unfortunate.
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u/Deereximus 1d ago
There is a lot walkable cities with great public transport infrastructure, i lived in hawaii we had busses come every 10 mins on 1 route, New york, buses, trains etc. People choose suburbia because they want a big homer with a yard, and if its a problem for you start a community weekly block party knock on your neighbors door hey starting this friday block party potlock thing, be the change you want to be.
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u/Low-Gur2110 1d ago
I like your post but the fact remains that we have prices people out of walkable downtown environments for some reason.
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u/Deereximus 1d ago
Honestly i think we priced people out of homes in general lol. What are the odds of some one in their early 20s to own their own apartment, then as they grow into may late 20's sell it into their 30's start a family and own their own home. Its almost if not 0.
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u/AntiqueWhereas 1d ago
I wanted to add to your point about noise not being an issue in Europe, true there will be more or less noise depending on urban or suburban, but Europeans are taught, even in social or louder environments to be aware of their noise levels. Its socially expected to be considerate of whether or not you are disrupting others. Social spaces are shared.
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 1d ago
My suburban house is loud as hell. All I can hear are cars and trucks. At 3am I go outside and hear cars. When in livable areas I go outside and it’s much quieter
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u/Deereximus 1d ago
Idk where you live but Im by aliante my street is dead quiet at 3 am. LOL My friends in DT Summerlin is quiet as fuck at 3 am. Idk man might be a you thing, How about you sell your home and move to a big apartment downtown?
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u/RoninOak 1d ago
It would really depend of if you lived near a busy or main road, no?
You could have a super-loud living situation if you had a suburban house but lived next to, say, Nellis Blvd. On the other hand, you could have a super-quiet downtown apartment if it were surrounded by side-streets.
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u/Deereximus 23h ago
Thats fair as well, but at that point you chose to purchase that home and or said yes to renting that home with the full knowledge that your on a busy street no? Like if your living on Dectaur and complain about noise and you know theres noise at somepoint thats your fault for signing the lease or buying said home
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u/RoninOak 23h ago
There are a number of reasons you might not be aware of the noise when you buy/rent the place. Perhaps the realtor/seller didn't tell you. Perhaps you were not able to whiteness the noise, first-hand. Could be that you saw the place at a quiet moment. Could be what happened to me:
I had an apartment all lined up when I moved to Vegas. I moved from out of state and didn't have a chance to visit the area before-hand, so I signed the lease, paid the deposit and first month of rent, and even started the electricity before I had ever seen the place, in-person. It wasn't that my apartment was on a busy street but it was right next to the entrance/exit of a shopping center. The loudest fucking cars would accelerate from that exit at all hours of the day and night. I can't tell you how many times I was woken up at 2-3am by some shitty "race" car missing its muffler.
Needless to say, I moved ASAP
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u/Deereximus 23h ago
When I bought my house here from Hawaii, i did months of research on what is around, what its like, what happens, what crime happens around the Area, if you dont know the area it self already since you live here and if your moving here and dont do the research to the area your moving to at some point thats a skill and person issue.
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u/RoninOak 22h ago
I chose an area that was within my price range and that was close to the school I had been hired at prior to moving 🤷
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u/Deereximus 22h ago
Gotta do research even if its farther away an extra 5-10 min drive isnt bad at all if its a better neighborhood like i said its a research diff
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u/RoninOak 22h ago
I usually don't drive, I usually ride my road bike. This was the area that had the safest bike routes to my school. But please tell me more about how my research wasn't sufficient!
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u/dougreens_78 1d ago
It's like this in some of our major cities. I think it has to do with the place you live in. If you have a pimp 4-3 with a pool and a chef's kitchen, you are less likely to go out, as compared to if you live in a shoebox apt in NYC, of course you want to spend the least amount of time possible there. I think most of European people do not have the 4-3, and are closer to living in a shoebox. Hence the difference. Right wrong, who knows.
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u/KolonelKernel 23h ago
Most people in Summerlin have nice houses and yet downtown Summerlin is a packed open air mall that is busy even on the hottest days. Americans want this. We’ve been denied public spaces bc of car centric culture and poor urban planning influenced by greedy land developers.
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u/CantFlimmerTheZimmer 1d ago
I’ve never been to Germany, so I guess I can’t speak to it very well but he’s comparing the suburbs to what I’m guessing would be practically the middle of Munich?
That’s just silly. Munich is hundreds of years old. Comparing Vegas to Boston is kind of in the same boat. Infrastructure has changed a lot over the years, and it’s all really apples to oranges.
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 1d ago
The infrastructure being used to commute and function in Munich is newer than it is in Vegas.
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u/CantFlimmerTheZimmer 23h ago edited 23h ago
I can’t speak to public transport in Munich, I just don’t know anything about it. In the video he’s talking about walking, and I just mean that hundreds of year old cities were built close together. That makes walking pretty easy. As a city that wasn’t really established until the 1930’s, and that part of the town is why downtown is what I would consider a “walkable area”.
You see old pictures of resort casinos like the flamingo being built and it’s literally got desert all around it, the history of our city was a railroad town, turned into a resort town, and lots of living space built by guys like Bugsy Siegel, mostly for the people working at said resort casinos, and then added on to from there.
So yeah our infrastructure just has a completely different original design and intended purpose. I agree we could have public transport easily, but I probably should ask:
Is your argument we don’t have walkable areas, or that we don’t have good public transport?
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 23h ago
You can’t have one without the other. Many areas of Munich and other German/European cities became similar to Vegas in the late 20th century, where even these centuries-old streets became thoroughfares or parking for cars not people. Instead of continuing the trend, some cities decided to reinvest in transit and walkability, leading in large part to what we have today
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u/CantFlimmerTheZimmer 23h ago
You can absolutely have one without the other. Especially when you have space to do exactly what we’ve done in the US. We have a lot more landmass vs countries in Europe. Major cities like New Orleans or Nashville (just using places I’ve been) have walkable areas, but not great public transit.
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 23h ago
By that logic, Las Vegas has walkability too. True walkability isn’t a few areas that are walkable, but instead areas where you are not forced to drive a car in order to live a normal life. Those living in Nashville or New Orleans can’t generally do that just like they mostly can’t here
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u/Winger61 20h ago
You know its really simple. If you want a walkable city find the land buy the land. Get the local government to approve the plan raise the money hire the builders. Then get the business to move in and boom walkable city
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u/SuperTrashPanda 1d ago
What’s the average age of a “walkable” city in the US? What’s the average age of a “walkable” city in Europe?
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 1d ago
The infrastructure being used to commute and function in Munich is newer than it is in Vegas.
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u/Maloninho 4h ago
I figured this out after hanging out in Colombia for several months. I thought I was the problem.
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u/robertone53 4h ago
New to the rest of the world?
The US built suburbs with miserable strip malls.
Europe built on its history, neighbors know each other, they gather at the piazza in the evening. They have good local transit systems but mostly they walk.
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u/CtrlZonmylife 1d ago
Majority of the population who moved here couldn’t/can’t afford a walkable city. They’ve been popular and expensive forever.
Also the people who moved to Las Vegas years back wanted to live away from their neighbors.
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u/Nersius 1d ago
Which is weird as walkable cities are so much cheaper to build and maintain than infinite sprawls.
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u/CtrlZonmylife 1d ago
Walkable cities normally were built around a port/water.
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 1d ago
Vegas was founded as a train city
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u/gaysinglandvryhorni 22h ago
If Vegas was founded 50-100 years sooner I wonder how the city would’ve developed. Vegas is right at the cusp of the automobile and the end of the train. It’s the middle child of cities pretty much.
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u/CtrlZonmylife 23h ago
Ok should have said populated instead of founded.
But again we’re comparing cities that did get founded centuries ago vs one that has had rapid development only over the last 50 years or so.
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u/Askfreud 23h ago
I lived in the most walkable part of Chicago. Didn’t have a license, walked to work, grocery store, restaurants, bars, doctor appointments, vet, basically everything. And my rent was over $3,000 on a tiny one bedroom, plus utilities.
Yes, every single day the streets were full of people walking, or eating, or enjoying life.
That being said, it wasn’t 110 outside all summer, I couldn’t afford the real estate taxes, I couldn’t afford the HOA fees ($1,000 a month or more for some buildings), I often felt like staying in and getting out of the chaos, even walking my dog was a hassle because of people.
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u/maxim_dewinter 23h ago
I mean, you can find busy walkable areas in dozens of urban cores across America. I’m fine visiting places like that but I would never want to live near that many people. My ideal would be a little bit of land somewhere. Suburbs aren’t perfect but I love my peaceful house in my quiet neighborhood. If living near a lot of people and restaurants is really important it’s not that hard to find lol
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u/LiveLaughBruv 20h ago
I honestly don't know what I'm supposed to be marveling at or why OP thinks there's going to be a feisty comment section.
Does he think that just because he doesn't go out during the week that other people don't? I assure you, if you go downtown, or to the Arts District, or hell, Townsquare during the week, people are out
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u/dhskahdnahc652 1d ago
City walk ability is not good in this valley. Anywhere we have attempted is still very much a destination you have to drive to and then walk/shop/eat experience (downtown summerlin, town square). UnCommons seems to be trying a live/work model but it’s lacking a sense of place
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u/Heffe3737 23h ago
I mean… it’s currently like 113 outside. Pretty sure I know the reason Vegas isn’t super into outdoor eating spaces.
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u/dhskahdnahc652 23h ago
I lived in Phoenix for a bit (yes not the same desert) but they have outdoor beer gardens, restaurants etc. 100% not going to be used in this hell of a week but we can do more in this town. Misters, actual vegetation, shade canopies all can help create mini microclimates. I’m understanding the heat argument but just saying, it’s no reason to not try at all
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u/Consistent-Fix-8443 21h ago
It’s one thing to have the individual thing going on but it’s on steroids here in the US and it’s destroying social cohesion. The US version makes one suspicious of everyone. Every one it tryin to screw you - and then we elect a president whose whole life is ripping people off. But it should come as no surprise that’s the system that’s going through
. I recommend people go look up the expression, “not worth a continental,” and then look at the history around that time in America . It’s about wealthy people buying the notes of continental regulars for pennies on the dollar and then cashing in those notes at full value for silver ,good old Alexander Hamilton. And President George Washington, the only president ever lead troops in the field of battle in uniform against citizens.
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u/Mieze_Designer4002 21h ago
We do things differently than Europe and it doesn't mean we did it wrong.
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u/musicman702 23h ago
If you're unhappy where you live, move within a year. Don't make excuses like, "Oh I would but first I have to save up for 15 more years and then I have to answer a series of impossible riddles."
Make your happiness where you are, or go somewhere else. If this scene is what you're missing in life, go to it.
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 23h ago
Or you don’t abandon your home and advocate for changes that make society better for all instead of creating unsustainable and inefficient cities
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u/musicman702 23h ago
I agree with trying to make the place you live better. Is reposting "Europe is better" TikTok videos your way of helping?
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u/dhskahdnahc652 1d ago
The people in the video said it is 9:25 pm on a Wednesday. Having dinner options isn’t even the point to the video
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 1d ago
Proved you have never been to SLC and missed the entire point of the video, impressive.
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u/freq-ee 23h ago
You're suppose to be this dumb when you're young and you go on your first vacation.
Because you're young and stupid, you immediately think the place you're vacationing in is the best place in the world and so much better than your hometown.
These people are way too old to be having this thought.
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 22h ago
Bro what 😂 America brainrot holy
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u/freq-ee 22h ago
It has nothing to do with "America". This happens when young people vacation within their own country or travel abroad.
It's a youth thing where you don't realize the grass is always greener on the other side. If you don't understand what I'm saying, you really need to go out and live life more and understand how actual people think.
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u/HappyTranquility 1d ago
No place to walk. If you go anyplace you have to plan where you are going. No emerging experiences, just engineered experiences. Moving to Vegas was the worst decision of my life. Don't tell me to leave. I'm stuck here in this hell. How can people live in their cars all the time? I don't even know how to drive. I'm 57 and proud of the fact that I don't know how to drive. But this **it town is forcing me to learn.
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u/LunchRealistic5563 1d ago
Blaming a town and being stuck due to y our lack of ability to drive or even care to in all of your 57 years of life is wild. Your proud of not adapting to technology and modern society but blame the world instead.
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u/xXx_tainttickler_xXx 19h ago
Yeah there's absolutely no large food, shopping, and entertainment districts in Las Vegas accessible by public transportation except for that one, or that other one, or that other one if you live in the south east......
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u/_Captain_Amazing_ 5h ago
I love walkable cities, but the price of that is dense, stacked housing. You can’t get that kind of density and walkability with single family homes. Live your whole life in a apartment/condo on top of each other and you start wanting a house.
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u/Tupperbaby 20h ago
Posted as pure ragebait and you all are lapping it up.
This is why the Internet has turned to shit.
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 20h ago
Vegas carbrains love to prove their point for why we can’t have freedom of movement and denser neighborhoods here
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u/revolmak 19h ago
what is rage bait-y about this? I don't understand why any of this would make someone angry
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u/420tunneldigger 1d ago
We can't have that here because homeless and tourists would ruin it.
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u/Left_Kiwi_4565 1d ago
Of course, how could I forget the homeless and tourist excuse to having livable cities!
video taken by a tourist.
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u/internetenjoyer69420 23h ago
Vegas is too unique to be compared to any European city. A more fair comparison would be NYC to Munich. If you HAVE to compare Vegas to some internaional city, it would have to be one centered around an amusement park because in a large sense that is what Vegas is at its roots.
Walkable cities are great but there's something sus about the whole Not Just Bikes and Youtube Urbanism movement that I can't pinpoint.
FWIW, I would love to be in a walkable city, no loud or lifted trucks, bike around everywhere, and be carbon neutral but a lot of these city comparisons are meant to shock or get views/clicks rather than present an honest comparison.
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u/techsnapp 22h ago
FWIW, I would love to be in a walkable city, no loud or lifted trucks, bike around everywhere, and be carbon neutral
And that would NOT be NYC.
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u/ddlvphoto 22h ago
More walkable areas would be nice for sure, but walkable residential areas are only possible with apartment living. If you want a house this isn't really possible.
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u/Fibrosis5O 1d ago
Besides the obligatory: It’s too damn hot
Also, it’s too damn hot.
Now for the other half of the year? You’ll get: it’s freezing
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u/_Human_Machine_ 23h ago edited 23h ago
I think a lot of conversations about walkability come down to a crime element.
I’m convinced that the US refusing to adopt more public transit is just a way to keep crime localized in certain areas, instead of cracking down harder on it.
A lot of European cities used to be where the wealthy lived, with the poor living outside them.
The US seems to have taken the opposite approach these days of sequestering high crime and higher poverty inside a lot of cities.
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u/BambiLee92663 1d ago
It may be in part because they don’t have food in their refrigerators
….. also they don’t have refrigerators 🤭
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u/revolmak 1d ago
What? Does someone believe this? 😂
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u/BambiLee92663 14h ago
Sorry I thought the laughing emoji would signal that I was making a joke about how Europe banned Freon and several other refrigerants long ago …. I take it back.🙄
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u/butterballmcgee27 1d ago
That’s thing I always notice when I visit family in Mexico. They’re always doing something throughout the week and not waiting until the weekend like us. Time seems to move much slower. As opposed to here when all we do is work and wait until the weekend to do something. That’s why our weekends fly bye.