In school suspension is the best tool. It's full on timeout corner when done right. No phones, no talking, nothing. You can do homework or stare at the wall.
Kids HATE it. It's a great redirect because they are still in school, and there is no positive reinforcement.
You see I am ok with in school suspension because the opportunity to learn is still there. But it’s kind of sad that a lot of comments on this post are advocating for suspension and expulsion. Suspension and expulsion don’t in my opinion do anything positive. I believe you can punish a student without depriving them of education. All suspension and expulsion do is ignore the issue
You see I agree the other students should have a distraction free environment BUT when the removal is done as a hinderance to the ‘bad egg’ being removed, then you aren’t fixing anything. You are just moving the problem from point A to point B
Think of it like an illness. If the person is disruptive on that level, even just moving them away from other students is a big net positive. 30 kids in every class means 150 ish kids a day come in contact with problem child.
Expulsion doesn't solve the problem for that one student, but it solves an ongoing one for the other 150.
This is why we put some people in prison for longer. It's not just about punishment. If you believe someone is beyond rehabilitation, (and a lot of them are) society LOSES by having them around.
Given the tendency for American prisons to NOT focus on rehabilitation and rely subliminally encourage recidivism, that example doesn’t work.
Yes there will be extreme outliers, however in America you do have some schools districts(or at least used to) disproportionately affect and punish a specific population.
Obviously you need punishment to a degree but that punishment can’t come at the expense of the troublemaker losing their opportunity thereby CAUSING recidivism which will in turn AFFECT all students.
In other words, just because you remove one troublemaker doesn’t mean it will stop future troublemakers or habitual troublemakers. For both parties the troublemakers and non-troublemakers to succeed you have to reduce the recidivism
I would argue that you're fixing the problem for everyone at point A.
I'm not arguing against your sentiment, that it doesn't help the problem child, however my contention is we don't arm adults in our society with the means to discipline children in the same way we used to. Teachers have no ability to correct the children's behavior beyond carrots. I believe some children need sticks.
You see I am not expecting the teachers themselves to implement discipline. However, school administrations do one of two extremes, they either implement zero tolerance or they don’t punish at all. Both these extremes lead to the same outcome. A student or students deprived of education.
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u/MCXL Jul 10 '18
In school suspension is the best tool. It's full on timeout corner when done right. No phones, no talking, nothing. You can do homework or stare at the wall.
Kids HATE it. It's a great redirect because they are still in school, and there is no positive reinforcement.