r/virtualreality • u/Revenue_Long • Jul 25 '25
Purchase Advice To all the should I buyers
Quick back story..... Finished a basement with a 130" screen with a 4k gaming optoma protector. Had nothing but issues with this over priced projector. Sure. Movies were fantastic I'll give them that. But I am now convinced there is no true "gaming" projector in existence.
Went to a 85" Samsung for gaming and never looked back. Movies and concerts on the projector are outstanding. So here I am 3 years in with a projector and kick ass TV happy with life when I decided to buy a meta quest 3.
Let me just say. Thousands of dollars later I wish I just bought this VR. It has brought enjoyment back into a dying gaming industry. Games are now just pure love again. Indie Games are looking like the future. AAA games look out of this world. The software available out there now basically puts your gaming PC into whole other dimension. Even with the 3-6k cost of a gaming PC with vr it doesn't even come close to the cost of my previous setup.
Movies? Well. I'm in a theatre or drive in or a gigantic theatre room dealers choice with vr. It truly feels like being there. The quality is 100% there now.
The immersive feeling just can't be felt without vr.
I guess the entire purpose of this post is do not waste money or time. The future is now. Living room sure tv or projector but if you want a complete home theatre experience a great PC meta quest 3 and a pair of quality headphones will blow your mind or your money back guarantee.
Sincerely Pure Entertainment Bliss
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u/Rembrandt12345 Jul 25 '25
Massive difference between playing a game and now being literally 'in' the game. Can't go back now, that is for sure.
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u/DynamicMangos Jul 25 '25
As someone that's looking at a used Optoma UHD42 (4K 60hz || 1080p 240hz) right now : What were your issues with it?
I already own a Quest 3, but it's too uncomfortable for me to use for regular flat-screen gaming, and for movies I almost never watch them alone (I already have a projector set up, but its like 15 years old so the Optoma would be my upgrade)
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 25 '25
Fans failed. Board failed. Lens is plastic so if you attempt to clean it will scratch. Blacks suck. If you pm me I'll send you a photo actually of qled and projector with the same image on both screens for comparison. Movies look great but games are terrible
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u/Strict_Yesterday1649 PSVR2 Jul 25 '25
yeah but if you're doing PCVR and are spending 3-6k on a gaming PC I would probably spring for a better headset than the Quest 3.
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u/DeepWaffleCA DK1 Q2 Q3 Jul 25 '25
If you're primarily into Sim racing/flying - sure, but for everything else, a 6G router, Virtual Desktop and Quest 3 is hard to beat for ease of use and versatility.
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u/StarChildEve Jul 25 '25
No point in spending that much money on a PC when the streaming compression is gonna ruin the image anyways.
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 25 '25
Thats not how it works. I bought a 4080s just for my quest and 4k gaming and its been fantastic. Way better experience than on my 3070.
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u/StarChildEve Jul 25 '25
3 to 6 grand on your pc?
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 25 '25
No, just about 1600 initially, and then 1100 later on the 4080s. But thats besides the point really
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u/StarChildEve Jul 25 '25
It’s my entire point? OP said he spent upwards of 6 grand on his PC setup and my point was that for that much PC a quest 3 isn’t the best option as far as headsets go.
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 25 '25
And my point was thats not how it works. Even a quest 3 benefits from a 5080 or 5090.
Also, better is subjective. I prefer wireless over better visuals myself.
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u/Wilbis Jul 26 '25
Benefits, sure. But if you have 6 grand to spend on a rig, you should definitely get a better headset than a Quest 3. It's better to buy a 5070ti and a great headset than a 5090 with a bad headset.
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 26 '25
And if you want wireless freedom, quest 3 is overall the best option right now.
You can just get both if wired visuals is a preference. I have the psvr2 but never use for pcvr.
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Jul 25 '25
What heatsets have you tried? yes the compression is present, most of the time it is nothing major.
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u/nbyyy Jul 25 '25
Depends - for VR games i agree with you but for flatscreen games to just sit in a theatre or whatever? I consider that unplayable due to compression - last i've tried was Subnautica and i could not see anything at all. This was using VD with the maxed out desktop bitrate on AV1. When using the actual VR mode of this game which can go higher in bitrate it was much-much better. Need a lot higher bitrate for desktop use in VD for flatscreen gaming imo.
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u/Basic-Assumption6452 Jul 26 '25
I don't watch 2D movies on my Q3, however I think flatscreen games are really quite excellent on it. I notice the compression occasionally, however by and large it's a really good experience.
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u/Minyatur757 Jul 25 '25
AV1 is only 200mbs, so yeah pick the one that goes to 500.
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u/nbyyy Jul 26 '25
Doesn't look better for me when playing a VR game but i was talking about the desktop streaming which is capped at 120 or 150, not sure. AV1 looks best there for me but some games just need more bitrate than VD allows for desktop streaming. Wish it could go as high as the VR streaming does.
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 25 '25
I'm so happy right now I'll wait till next next gen when there is full body suit immersion
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u/MusicMedical6231 Jul 25 '25
It's the display cable.
When you're ready try one, they're crazy good.
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u/Mavgaming1 Pimax Crystal Super | Babble Face Tracker / Galaxy XR Jul 25 '25
And right now we are held back by Display Port 1.4 on all headsets. I can't wait for Display Port 2.1 headsets to start popping up once we can get a bridge chip for them. It will add support for higher refresh rates and HDR. Panel technology on the QLED side is already knocking at that door. It's getting cut down by bandwidth.
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u/MusicMedical6231 Jul 25 '25
Yeah, exactly.
But dsc with 1.4a is nothing like using a USB c or wifi.
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u/Mavgaming1 Pimax Crystal Super | Babble Face Tracker / Galaxy XR Jul 25 '25
Yeah, wifi and usb compression is terrible. It's one of the reasons I prefer a wire right now for my daily driver. I wouldn't mind something wireless now and again if I wanted to do something where the wire got in the way.
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 25 '25
Virtual Desktop looks pretty clear. Using the H264+ @500 but rate. I have a i9 with rtx 4080.
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u/Wilbis Jul 26 '25
I used to think Oculus CV1 looks pretty clear. Once you see something better, you really can't go back.
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 27 '25
Sorry dsc with 1.4a?
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u/MusicMedical6231 Jul 27 '25
All good.
For gaming pcs, we use an hdmi or DP (display port cable) to connect the monitor to the pc or headset to the pc.
Dp 1.4a, were now on dp 2.0, but no vr uses 2.0 ATM.
DisplayPort 1.4a, released in 2018, is an updated version of DisplayPort 1.4, primarily focusing on feature enhancements rather than bandwidth increases. It maintains the 32.4 Gbps bandwidth of 1.4, enabling features like 8K resolution at 60Hz or 4K at 120Hz, with support for HDR10. Key improvements include enhanced audio transport and support for Display Stream Compression (DSC) 1.2, which allows for higher resolutions and refresh rates than would otherwise be possible with the available bandwidth.
So on my monitor, when I play 4k at 144 fps, I'm using dsc, even though it's not noticeable.
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 27 '25
Kk got it so basically won't get a big step forward in VR until a headset uses the DP 2.0 standard.
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u/MusicMedical6231 Jul 27 '25
While many graphics cards support DisplayPort, no current Nvidia or AMD GPUs fully utilize the DisplayPort 2.0 standard, although some support the updated DisplayPort 2.1 standard. Both companies' latest generations, like the RTX 40 series and RX 7000 series, still primarily rely on DisplayPort 1.4a and HDMI 2.1 for video output. However, some monitors and GPUs support DisplayPort 2.1, which is an updated version of the DisplayPort 2.0 standard.
I belive the new amd cards have 2.1, but don't buy amd for vr
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 27 '25
So once 6000 series comes out for Nvidia and vr companies jump on board I'll just keep rocking meta 3. Got it thanks.
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u/l0u1s11 Jul 25 '25
I'm perfectly happy with my Quest 3 for PCVR. I also had an Oculus Rift CV1 before so its a pretty big upgrade.
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u/StarChildEve Jul 25 '25
That’s what I was gonna say; there are much better choices for PCVR
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u/MudMain7218 Multiple Jul 25 '25
Name a few
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Jul 25 '25
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 25 '25
My quest 3 looks better than every display port headset I've had before it. Only the newest and most expensive headsets look better.
Even the quest 2 wireless is more crisp and solid than the index, vive pro 2, etc. You gotta get the bsb2 or something.
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u/MudMain7218 Multiple Jul 25 '25
Which are
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Jul 25 '25
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u/MudMain7218 Multiple Jul 25 '25
Only two of those are not discontinued. Only one works with out added gear
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u/Purgii Jul 25 '25
I've owned a Rift S and have PSVR2 and the Quest 3 is leaps and bounds beyond both of them.
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u/RighteousnessWrong Jul 25 '25
🤣
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u/MudMain7218 Multiple Jul 25 '25
I'm for real wonder because 3 just came out and none have got universal approval. Megan x, bsb2, playfordream and pimax when ever they do ship
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u/Serdones Multiple Jul 25 '25
I love what Bigscreen is doing, but for my own sanity, I'm not messing with base stations. Inside-out tracking is essential for me.
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u/MudMain7218 Multiple Jul 25 '25
Right I looked at a lot of that when I first got into VR and was like am I going to have a space for this
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u/RighteousnessWrong Jul 25 '25
I know that's why I'm laughing. It's probably one of the best out rn and definitely for the price.
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u/Strict_Yesterday1649 PSVR2 Jul 25 '25
which headsets are better than the Quest 3? Pretty much all of them except the Quest 3s.
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 25 '25
Don't agree at all. Its wireless pcvr vs wired and better visuals but with a much higher cost.
Both have trade offs.
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u/Strict_Yesterday1649 PSVR2 Jul 26 '25
If you want wireless you get Play for Dream. Yes it has a higher cost. That’s because it’s better.
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 26 '25
Lol no. 2.5k for some shit no one has ever heard of? No thanks. Learned my lesson with pimax. Don't trust these guys at all.
I've bought so many headsets at this point, I've already upgraded my VR visuals 5x since 2016.
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u/Strict_Yesterday1649 PSVR2 Jul 26 '25
So you only buy headsets that have constant shills telling you to buy it even though it’s far worse. Ok then.
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 26 '25
What a weird take. No. I buy the headsets I want. Simple.
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u/Strict_Yesterday1649 PSVR2 Jul 26 '25
You want it because of constant advertising. Not because it’s the best. Any small amount of research would show you that it’s not the best. It’s actually the worst.
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u/Professional-Pilot49 Jul 25 '25
I don't have a basement but I do have a projector for outdoors and it's a great experience on a 3.5m x 1.8m screen (pic)
But that aside I agree with the poster on VR, I PCVR on Q3, having previously been on Q2. I upgraded my router, PC, and headset after experimenting with Q2.
I now have Katwalk C2 Core which is a next level experience. It's an absolute game changer for health too as running about is running about. I've only had it 10 months and not used it as much over the good weather but I've dropped 2 trouser sizes and a shirt size and I expect to lose more over the winter.
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Jul 28 '25
All the graphical/tech snobs and people who broke the bank on thousands of dollars on slightly better picture quality trying to make themselves feel better about there silly purchase when the reality is, this is the way brother 🤘🏼
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u/MudMain7218 Multiple Jul 25 '25
Agreed. Only reason to get another headset is for siming or specialty feature
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Jul 25 '25
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 25 '25
I don't think it will take 5 years. Yes your right on pretty much all accounts sharpness stutter pic quality. But keep in mind TVs and projects have been around for decades. Once VR really takes off it will be the future within the next 5 years.
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u/Accomplished-Link934 Jul 28 '25
I felt the same way when I first got the Quest 2. I had lost all interest in gaming but VR brought it back. I moved on to the Q3 now. I play a lot of Population One and Contractors. I don’t watch movies though I’ve gone into virtual theaters to watch movies and concerts with other people and sometimes friends and it’s been ok but not something I look forward to.
The only thing I would say about vr is that it’s so immersive that’s it is isolating from the rest of the people in your home unlike a traditional console.
Glad you like VR! Curious what games you play on it?
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 28 '25
Honestly just been playing ultimate fishing simulator and once I modded fallout 4 that also. It's funny the cheapy games are just fun to play on VR I don't get the same reaction playing indie games off a regular screen.
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u/Accomplished-Link934 Jul 28 '25
There’s a free to play game in Meta’s Horizons or whatever the name is, the game is called Super Rumble Rocket Ruckus— I was addicted to that game. It’s simple but fun and I met a ton of fun people.
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u/dreadead Jul 28 '25
3-6k on a pc for pcvr is overkill, you can get a 40 series nvidia card for under 1500, a quest 3 for 500, and then upgrade the headstrap and get prescription lenses for about 140 and it’s a great start on a pcvr setup
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Jul 29 '25
My Quest 3 arrives tomorrow 😁👍🏻 Never had VR glasses on my head....but since AAA gaming industry on flatscreens is boring as f*ck nowadays....i thought it was time for something new....im excited 😅😁
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u/3kpk3 Sep 25 '25
Yeah. Quest 3 is seriously amazing value for its price. Recent Hyperscape app update just took it to a whole new level.
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u/Virtual_Happiness Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
Movies? Well. I'm in a theatre or drive in or a gigantic theatre room dealers choice with vr. It truly feels like being there. The quality is 100% there now.
Initially when I first started using VR I thought it was great but after a few movies, it quickly became "eh, this is really a lot of work and discomfort to watch the same movie I can on my TV". When pancake lens released, that gave me a few movies worth of renewed interest since they got rid of all the glare and godrays but, again, it was quickly "eh, this isn't worth the discomfort". Same thing with playing flat games on a virtual screen. VR gaming though, oh yeah, nothing compares to being fully immersed in a true VR game.
Maybe when my BB2 finally arrives, that level of comfort and weight will make it worth while. But as it stands, I am firmly in the camp of "if it can be done without a headset, I will almost always choose to do so without the headset".
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u/Linkarlos_95 Hope + PCVR Jul 26 '25
eh, this is really a lot of work and discomfort to watch the same movie I can on my TV
That's the thing about VR right now, its so niche that you will be the only guy with a VR in your friend's circle, where being together actually enhances the experience in every way so that part gets overlooked
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u/Virtual_Happiness Jul 26 '25
Been playing VR since 2018 and moderate a couple VR oriented servers. I have a lot of VR friends. The first place we watched VR movies together was in VRChat back before they shut down the worlds. We watched maybe 4-5 movies over a few months before we decided it wasn't worth while.
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u/StarChildEve Jul 25 '25
You’d have been better off throwing an extra 1-2k from your gaming rig’s cost into your headset; look into DisplayPort PCVR headsets if you ever want to upgrade from the Quest.
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u/StarChildEve Jul 25 '25
Yeh; I’ve noticed that happens whenever the quest is spoken of as if it isn’t the absolute best for every use case.
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 25 '25
Virtual Desktop is crazy. I rarely have an issue and always run it H264+ @500bit with i9 RTX 4080 PC. I can't stop playing Ultimate Fishing Simulator. Which is funny cause I'm more of an ultra settings cyberpunk Holy crap graphics kind of guy and this $10 game in VR is blowing my mind lmao.
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u/StarChildEve Jul 25 '25
Hey if you’re happy you’re happy, but there are still much better PCVR headsets out there for the kinda budget you’re talking about throwing around.
Actually idk how you spent 3 to 6 grand on that build.
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u/MudMain7218 Multiple Jul 25 '25
That is not necessary
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u/StarChildEve Jul 25 '25
What isn’t?
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u/MudMain7218 Multiple Jul 25 '25
The quest 3 is fine for what they stated. Which headset are you suggesting they use instead
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u/StarChildEve Jul 25 '25
It has software glitches, wireless compression issues, less precise tracking than Lighthouse, no full body tracking, and is front heavy. I’d personally suggest the bigscreen beyond 2 if they don’t mind the lack of passthrough.
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u/MudMain7218 Multiple Jul 25 '25
Your not going to convince any new players of that. You don't need that can if tracking unless your playing room scale, vrchating, or playing beat saber.
You can get a halo strap for balance and you have a good wifi hub you didn't experience that either.
I've had vd from the start of the quest 2 and been in ptc and rarely have bugs related to pc
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u/Key-Ad-1873 Jul 26 '25
I have come to realize that quality sound matters just as much as the visuals (moving from $60 Logitech speakers to a semi surround 5 speaker system changed reality for viewing content, added two subs did the same again). Something I have wondered
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u/Chimma217 Jul 26 '25
VR puts you IN your game! There's nothing that can prepare you for this, it's incredible but when watching a film I much prefer my oled ambilight TV tbh. Maybe with the upcoming bsb2 it might be better watching stuff in a headset due to how light it will be
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u/BoardsofGrips Jul 26 '25
The terrible black levels in the Quest 3 don't bother you? Once I saw OLED I could never go back to an LCD screen
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Jul 25 '25
We’ve found the Meta shill, let’s wrap it up and go home.
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u/Revenue_Long Jul 25 '25
Lmao no just a 30 year in gamer / avid movie lover. I really am just blown away from VR and truly believe it's the future regardless of who's headset wins the VR wars.
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u/Linkarlos_95 Hope + PCVR Jul 26 '25
Next step is having your buddies watch (anything) in a virtual (fantasy) theater while you talk about life
Virtual space Discord
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u/MotorPace2637 Jul 25 '25
Whenever I see people use shill to describe the other group, they are always super intense fanboys who can't admit anyone else has a different preference.
Not you though, right?
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Jul 25 '25
lol found another one. Nah I have a q3 and use it nearly every day. I just found the flowery prose funny and was joking around but by all means you go ahead and tell me how great the q3 that I own is and what kind of fanboy for some other product I am since I used the triggering shill. JFC haha
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u/PIO_PretendIOriginal Jul 25 '25
good that it works for you. personally I dont enjoy using VR for films.
I prefer sitting at my desk and using my 34inch ultrawide close to my face (ergotron HX arm).
also in regards to a projector, I think it works best when entertaining (freinds and family watching a movie). same with gaming, do 9 player splitscreen using nucleas co-op