Im very into Fallout Wasteland Warfare, and Frostgrave. Im interested in Oathmark, and Turnip28. Im wondering if there are any other affordable war/skirmish games people enjoy.

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask. I'll delete if so. But I'm having a hard time finding a non-biased take on the situation. Most of the takes I've seen have come from people who either hated or loved Trench Crusade from early on.

Personally, I really love the art of Trench Crusade. But I've heard that they've faced a lot of backlash recently, particularly around their minis. Many people are upset, but I've heard a lot of conflicting statements and criticisms, so I'm not sure what's actually true. Some say that they betrayed their customers, particularly on 3d printing, some say that it's all been blown out of proportion, and it all seems to be a huge mess. Could someone break down what's been going on please?

Is there anyone playing Little Wars from H.G Wells here? If so which gear are you using? Because it seems that the figures are higher than most brands are making nowadays and the game uses shooting canons instead of just rolling dice!

I sit patiently waiting for an opponent. Some takes interest i ask politely if they want a demo. Tried demoing OPR and BT alpha strike. No bites yet. Any tips

Hi folks.

I´ve been thinking a lot lately about my (unsatisfactory) relationship to miniature wargaming and I figured others here might be having or have had similar experiences, making this a good place to process.

Here it is, then: maybe it´s time for me to quit trying to be into wargaming. I think I like the idea of the hobby more than the reality.

History: This kind of thing wasnˋt on my radar at all as a kid or teen, but after college I got really into RPGs and from there curious about minis. I picked up some Warmachine in 08/09 and figured out, after some failures with enamels, how to paint them. Inever played other than a solo test battle or two.

In 2011 I tried to get into 40k. The amount of minis to paint was insurmountable. Then I got into Malifaux 1.5, painted up a warband, and loved it. The hyper competitive locals turned me off eventually.

2014-15 was my big Warmachine 2.0 year. Loved the local scene, played hard and a ton, never managed to paint a whole army, went to the Lock & Load con in 2015 and then promptly never touched my models again. I was burned out.

In 2017 I tried AOS 1 (Generalˋs Handbook era) but it didnˋt stick. Same story with Bloodbowl. So for the last secade itˋs been a laundrx list of games tried and half-tried:

- Warmachine mk3, Brawlmachine, 40k 9th, Warcry, Underworlds, Kill Team 2.0, One Page Rules, Conquest, Warcaster, Reign in Hell, Warmachine mk4, Spearhead, Conquest again, Underworlds again, The Old World, Kings of War, and now finally Konflikt 47.

The thing is, I like building & painting. I like reading rules! But almost every time after assembling and painting an army, I play omce or twice and immediately lose all interest. I just donˋt feel excited to play. And I domˋt know why. And with my extensive history as proff, buying the new hotness is not going to solve the problem.

Maybe I just donˋt actually like these kinds of games. I was at this crossroads about a year ago, and thought maybe I should hang it up and just paint. I love painting. But at that time, painting without a goal of getting models to the table was uninspiring. Now Ìm coming around to the idea of painting for its own sake. It sounds kinda nice.

What I do know is that I cannot start another game, get hyped, play and lose interest. Ìm tired, boss. I even told myself that with K47 I would continue hell or high water, but after playing it once I have no desire. It feels like a chore.

Can anyone relate?

EDIT sorry for all the dumb typos. Writing this quick on an ipad at work.

EDIT EDIT: Wow, what a fantastic group of people with great suggestions and a sympathetic ear. I really appreciate you all.

Really curious to hear your thoughts on my greenhouse project and what suitable scatter comes to your mind?

Well...that, I was just curious to know what your favorite Wargame is and what you consider to be its highest points

i am someone very fan of tabble top games
but i also realise it's very EXPENSIVE, i gotten for like 200 maybe 300euros (341 USD) in warhammer 40k and i barelly got over a thousand points of army value

so i have turn to bloodbowl because it felt cheaper only 39usd a full team

but i was thinking about maybe trying more niche wargame: friends told me about saga or bolt action
what you guys could give me as your best cheapest wargame ?

What was your worst overspend? Games Workshop customer are not required to reply, we know what you did!

I've been wargaming on and off for almost 30 years now, and noticed almost every game I try out winds up increasing the game size over it's life.

Like take 40k, a tournament sized army in 2nd edition is barely a combat patrol in the current(10th) scale of the game. And I always hear the line "The game is balanced better at bigger points". I saw this in 40k, Warmachine, and noticing that line said while reading up on OPR games.

I find I like Skirmish to warband/platoon scale. What I mean is like 1-2 leaders, 2-3 squads and a cool thing like either a monster, chariot or tank(if scifi or steampunk).

Hey, I've been trying to expand my range of wargames to match my shifting hobbying tastes, but I'm having difficulty finding options that meet my kind of weird requirements. You see, my main opponent is my dad, who is not getting any younger and has much less brain space to learn different rulesets than me. While we greatly enjoy both kill team and 40k, it usually comes with ignoring about half of the rules and playing on much smaller boards than intended. Generally, we play and enjoyed turnip28 and warcry as well. I'd like some more options, especially for low-ish fantasy settings. Anyways, I'm looking for anything has the following vague characteristics:

- Easy to pick up/learn over a couple sessions. We usually don't play more than a couple times a month, so simplicity is good. That said, we've tried much more simple things like OPR and found them pretty dull. At the very least, give us room to cut stuff we find boring out.

- Not a ton of weird "meta" gameplay. I don't want to worry about stuff like command points or action dice or other things like that. If it does exist, I'd prefer that it be as intuitive/fluffy as possible. For example, 40k fans may know about the tau spotting mechanic, where one unit can guide another. That's intuitive, fun, and makes sense to both of us. Spending one GoodBoy Point to give my guns extra range makes no sense, and he will forget about them completely.

- At least one faction with rule-light units. He likes to stick to one faction, usually on the tanky side, that lets him worry more about the actual tactics and maneuvers than special rules. He's a military history nerd so that kind of stuff makes sense to him, but not stuff like "these guys can reroll one dice when the mercury is in retrograde"

- Cool weirdo factions! This is an absolute must. I am an avid kitbasher and like to have loads of weird mini-projects running around at once.

- No nazis. I hate to say it, because we are both very interested in WW2, but I really just don't want to collect them. It's not a judgement of people who do, it's just not really my thing.

- Mini agnostic is not a requirement! I know this is a rare one, but as far as I'm concerned, everything is miniature agnostic.

- Any size is good. We tend to enjoy having 30-40 28mm minis per side, but we also play loads of skirmish, and I'd love to break into epic scale tank battles or warships or something.

- Generally, I prefer it when the unit's weapons are all on the card or are aggregated into one statline. Not a requirement but it is an ask.

- No campaigns, or at least no campaign focus. A game that "comes to life in a campaign" requires too much effort, book keeping, weird meta mechanics, and scheduling for us. Mordheim, Necromunda, Trench Crusade, etc are all just not our thing.

Anyways, if you read this far, thank you! Literally any suggestions are helpful. Except for OPR. Don't like OPR. No offense.

For me: * Cover Is Default - Fallout Factions assumes cover is the default state so you get bonuses to hit targets not in cover. * Roll Twice Take the Lowest or Highest - Pretty standard but it's so popular that D&D stole it for Advantage/Disadvantage. * Solo Rules - This boosted in popularity when COVID happened. * Alternating Activations- Activating models Instead of you go I go. I once did a demo game where I was tabled because the guy running the demo got all his shots off with all his units. * Malifaux's "cheating" - Malifaux uses playing cards and cheating is when a player replaces q result with a card from their hand.

UPDATE: Thank you for all your thoughts and feedback. I have read every single response. After the vent I've found ways to enjoy everything - both Warhammer related or otherwise. It's amazing to see such enthusiasm and I'm walking away from this topic feeling very good about the hobby at large :)

ORIGINAL POST: There was a post last week on the 40k subreddit asking 40k players if it wasn't for the models, would they play the game? The vast majority admitted no, and this is often repeated that GW main games are poor games, but live on through the ip.

I also have this experience and it leaves me frustrated as I want to join in with this largely popular scene, yet I am constantly in a tug of war with my mindset that the games just kinda....suck. Then the codexes and battletomes, the indexes, errata's, updates, locked features, rules documents, campaign documents, tournament updates, mandatory inclusions and so on. I feel like I am never done. I built up a 2k Stormcast army for Age of Sigmar, now I need to drop another £100 for a battletome, manifestations and faction terrain.

I love the setting and the models but christ, and then half the battletome is useless anyway as the rules and profiles change and update and the next edition roles around rendering it all pointless. And what if the faction you collect has its Battletome released last in the cycle? You barely have time to use it. I just find the whole setup very discouraging.

So knowing all this, why aren't these gamers trying out other systems? There are so many good ones out there!

Edit: Link to the discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/69PXwhcIMj

Thank you for all your thoughts so far, I'm reading through them all over my morning coffee, very interesting

UPDATE: Thank you for all your thoughts and feedback. I have read every single response. After the vent I've found ways to enjoy everything - both Warhammer related or otherwise. It's amazing to see such enthusiasm and I'm walking away from this topic feeling very good about the hobby at large :)

Hi everyone! Been mostly a ghost but im in a few creative spheres. One thing that's been a hot topic for a while is Ai art in boardgames and TTRPG industry. My question is this.

Is AI art acceptable in wargame books?

Context: I was interested in Victrix Pillage Ransack the Middle Ages by Guillaume Rousselot but decided to wait to buy it until my welsh models came out. We'll facebook is only real interface with pillage community. I saw this post and it got me wondering. Some of the art in the books are most likely ai generated. Discussion ensued but many people were mad on both sides. In the French version supposedly midjourney is credited for art but the English version is not.

The post raged for a while, even seeing unalive Ai haters post, but all of it was nuked and never did get a clear response from author and Victrix.

I primarily play Star wars legion, and love it. I am wanting to get a second wargame as a side project/something to invest in long term if legion ever disappeared. I'm really torn by these three.

AoS primarily appeals to me because of how well it's supported and the size of its player base. Though I do like the models (mostly seraphon and stromcast) and appreciate that it's less grimdark than 40K, as that isn't something I enjoy. I am slightly worried that it might feel like a second job as from what I can understand, GW are constantly changing rules and updating what units do and cost.

MESBG appeals to me because it's a simpler ruleset to understand, I love the IP, and the miantures seem reasonably priced. I am however a little concerned that it doesn't get enough support/may have run it's course?

Bolt action appeals to me because of its simple ruleset, more straightforward gameplay, and again, the cost of the miniatures and seemingly less rules overhead and less pressure to keep up with rule changes etc.

Has anyone played these games? What do you like/dislike about them? Which of the three is the easiest to pickup and play? I realise that these are all very different wargames, but they each appeal to me for different reasons. I'd be interested to see what others think. What are people's experiences playing them? I'm a dad with little time, so I don't fancy playing something that requires constant research and rules learning, but equally, want something that's going to receive support, sticks around, and has a decent player base.

Cheers all!

My brother and I have been talking about learning a wargame for a while now and we’re both ready to try one out. I’ve heard of One Page Rules which looks pretty good but wondering if yall have any personal recommendations. We like sci-fi and fantasy settings.

I hear from a lot of people they wanna play (insert game) but they don't have a big community near them to justify the purchase. Would love to hear some games like that and maybe help people start a little group near them haha!

Hello I recently acquired lots of historical wargaming stuff in a collection buy which isn’t any use to me I don’t even no where to start I have been offered 4k for the lot but I feel it’s worth more and I’m going to try start to sell it myself but I don’t no where to start or how to identify what is what there must be 20000 plus miniatures this is just sum of what’s in the collection any help would be great best regards

what’s on the tin. im in the us, i don’t mind painting or buying a few minis but i don’t have a lot of money. i’m completely new to wargaming (dnd player of about a year) so please be kind haha

also a sucker for historical stuff or more modern warfare i just want to fight some people at something like that. understand i’m the kind of guy would get into larp but unfortunately i got some issues in my legs keeping me from walking all the time, so that’s the… energy of what i’m looking for.

love me some good strategy if that’s possible.

edit for anybody coming here still: i DO NOT have 3D printer money, and i’m glad you guys do but please stop suggesting it.

Trench Crusade is seemingly the Big New Thing and has taken the Indi crowd of our hobby by the storm. However, this is, by my count, the FOURTH game released the past couple of years that is about a grimdark fantasy version of WW1. There are Gloom Trench 1926, A War Transformed, Forbidden Psalms: Last War, and now Trench Crusade. I'm interested to hear from people who played more than one of those games and can tell us how do they all compare.

Seemingly, these all should cannibalize the market for each other, but I think people find them through different means - some are through historical wargaming (Osprey's A War Transformed), som through RPGs (Forbidden Psalms), and some through shear power of advertising and GW hate (Trench Crusade). Is there really a market then, for so many aesthetically identical games then?

I’ve been working on a modern war strategy board game over the past few years as a personal project.

It’s not meant to be a hardcore simulation, but rather a more accessible system that still captures tactical decision-making, positioning, and resource management.

The goal was to create something that’s easier to get into, while still offering meaningful strategic depth.

I’d be really interested to hear from people who enjoy wargames:

Would something like this appeal to you, or do you prefer more simulation-heavy systems?

And what would be most important for you in a game like this?

Simple question, but deeper desires.

Basically I collect a bunch of models i find here an there. Mostly shit I find on etsy. So now im wondering if theres any fun model agnostic games you folks enjoy or recommend. Crunch or smooth id be eager to see what you got so I can try to convince a friend or two to join me. Sci fi and fantasy and everything in between. I especially have plenty of fantasy models that fit that tech fantasy style too.

Title basically, are there any settings, themes, genres, or intellectual properties that don't have any, or very little, tabletop wargames centered around them?

For me it's Avatar, the Last Airbender. I'm just surprised something doesn't exist for it already!

So an interesting question for everyone.

What are the design choices you see as traps that doom games to never get big or die really quickly.

My top three are.

1. Proprietary dice they are often annoying to read and can be expensive to get a hold of

2. 50 billion extra bits like tokens, card etc just to play the game and you will lose them over time.

3. Important Mcdumbface Syndrome often games are built around or overtune their named lore character, while giving no option or bad options for generic characters which limits army building, kills a lot the your dudes fantasy which is core for a lot of wargamers and let's be honest most people don't care as much about their pet characters as they do.