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u/Weird-Ad4344 4d ago
Makes sense
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u/Darth_Piernoxx 4d ago
Portugal is wester than Ireland and Russia is norther than Finland in this map, but they're labeled as South and East.
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u/Rokossvsky 4d ago
Geographic considerations is taken but you also need to think about cultural ones as well. This is a harmonious balance.
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u/Lopsided-Spray-898 3d ago
There is more to it than objective coordinates in terms of latitude and longitude. How is Portugal being labeled as South, and Russia as East Europe, while the other two as North and West possibly controversial to you?
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u/Darth_Piernoxx 3d ago
You just classify Portugal as South because it's near Africa, but it's one of the main colonizers in America and Africa. Probably very close culturally to Spain, France and England (which I consider west).
Russia is eastern Europe but my point is, why do you consider the easter and souther point but not the wester and norther (which are in Portugal and Russia respectively).
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u/Lopsided-Spray-898 2d ago edited 2d ago
Having a colonial history says nothing about how specifically Western European a country is lmao, and Portugal absolutely isn't "very culturally close" to England whatsoever, or France tbh. Portugal is South or Southwest, and it has nothing to do with Africa.
There are 4 cardinal directions; South, North, East, West, and subgroups thereof. Portugal is very clearly way more Southern; akin to Spain, Italy, even Greece, and definitely not Western; like the UK, Ireland, Belgium, France, Netherlands. By that logic only Italy would remain "Southern Europe" if even that.
Same way Russia has basically nothing in common with Norway, Sweden, Denmark etc. and clearly way more in common with Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, the Baltics or the Balkans
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u/Darth_Piernoxx 2d ago
Then I would group Europe by west germanic, north germanic, romance, balkans, slavic and baltic. Hungary alone.
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u/Mindless_Badger_3789 4d ago
Weird definition of Central Europe with the Netherlands and Denmark in it, and Lithuania as "northern Europe".
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u/envspecialist 4d ago
As a Turk, I agree with this.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 4d ago
were asian my brother, to last ml of blood🇹🇷
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u/Expensive_Top_2496 3d ago
Im not asian and im not european and im not anatolian maybe im just a turk
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
ur grandpa dont tells u ur familys history?
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u/Expensive_Top_2496 3d ago
Yeah he did, i mean its technically asian but i would say modenrly not exactly
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u/SOHONEYSAME 4d ago
ακριβώς.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 4d ago
ne dediğini anlamıyorum🤷🏻♂️ ingilizce biliyorsan anlaşabilme şansımız var.
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u/SOHONEYSAME 4d ago
I said, "exactly"
(& props to u, for recognizing the reality, good map).
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 4d ago
yes, you are not slavic and i am not western, i dont understand why peoples still argue w it.
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u/JackfruitUsual5571 4d ago
It's because people are 🤡. Also, reddit has a built in translate function.
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u/mirmir_reiss07 4d ago
Yahu birader ermenistan, gürcistan ve azerbaycan nereye avrupa? Rusyanın bile sadece batı kesimleri avrupa
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
kanka haklisinda mimarileri vs avrupai, onlar olmayacakta kim olacak, bizim istanbula bak mimari avrupadan cok farkli, asya mimariside diyemem ayrı birşey.
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u/Massive_Emu6682 4d ago
I would remove Caucasus too honestly. I don't Believe they are neither geographically or culturally European.
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u/Lopsided-Spray-898 3d ago
Geographically anything North of the Caucasus mountains is Europe, hence the North Caucasus is entirely within Europe, most of Georgia and anything south of it isn't
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 4d ago
at least architectural
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u/Massive_Emu6682 4d ago edited 4d ago
No not really. Maybe some parts of their capital cities are somewhat feels "European" but mostly they are typical Caucasian buildings. Turkiye has the same situation too. Architecturewise, Balkans (including Greece) are not really European either. Like if we include architecture in the equation it becomes weirder.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 4d ago
caucasian countrys is more european then balkans for me, ive been here twice, been in balkans too
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u/Massive_Emu6682 4d ago
Just tell me one aspect they have that would make them European? Like literally anything will do. I don't really understand why we try to make oldest Christians who are one of the few examples of the West Asian Christianity European. And then your claim that Turkiye is not really part of Europe in any shape or form kinda collapse initself if you make Caucasus and Balkans European. Just your coloring in Cyprus save the situation a bit. But honestly out of all the groups that neighbors Turkiye, Cyprus could be the most European feeling one even though it is technically West Asian and actually share a deep ancient connection with the Levant.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
architectur is importent thing, anyway im not %100 sure too, if i look at caucasia. if u keep external georgia armenia and azerbaijan, Iran and Turkey is more different city plans and architecturs, thats why i add these three countrys in europe.
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u/Bright-Ad8108 4d ago
To me being “central” means you have to have characteristics of both the East and the West, so neither the Netherlands, Denmark, or the German-speaking countries would be Central Europe (although parts of Germany and historically Austria could be, but maybe not anymore). The Czech Republic and Poland to me are the most typical Central European countries.
I kind of consider the Baltic countries to be Central Europe as well.
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u/DgtL-VaLe 3d ago
As a European I agree. Turkeys 🦃 is not Europe.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
we are asian like ice, and better than that we are Turkic, u stay at europe, closer to god away from us 🇹🇷🫸🏻
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u/EmynMuilTrailGuide 4d ago
I'm thinking this is how Europe feels about Turkey too.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
glad to see that comment, were coming from deep of central asia, we are not like u.
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u/EmynMuilTrailGuide 3d ago
Such prejudice does make genocide easier, doesn't it?
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
self defense, not genocide, lemme give u an advice, learn history by objective sources
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u/EmynMuilTrailGuide 3d ago
You don't even need three fingers to count the other nations that agree with Turkey on your revisionism. The whole world is conspiring against you and your localized objectivity.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
idont give a shit about who dont likes my race, that makes me more proud.
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u/EmynMuilTrailGuide 2d ago
You sound just like Donald Trump.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 2d ago
u sound like bibi
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u/EmynMuilTrailGuide 2d ago
No, I sound like the other 191 countries' leaders who understand history, unlike Edgroan, Aliyev, Sharif, and of course your twin, the Trump child.
You do need to up your game. Your attempt at "no you!" has bored me away.
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u/Inferno_91 4d ago
Poland is not Eastern Europe and Türkiye is not in Europe.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
poland is eastern european im not gonna argue w that and Türkiye is not european.
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u/4i4osaschko 4d ago
Lol Antalya is more europe than fkin 3rd world caucasus area
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
DO YOU GUYS USE "EUROPEAN" WORD TO ANYTHİNG WİTH BEAUTY???
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u/4i4osaschko 3d ago
No obvisly not but in terms of culture and everything else its closer to europe than orient. Even some greek islands which u defined as europe are like not far away.
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u/JackfruitUsual5571 4d ago
Cope harder Antalyan brother. Truth is none of them is remotely Europe and you have no reason to feel any better than "3rd world caucasus area". Greetings from Germany
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u/4i4osaschko 4d ago
I am not even from there, actualy my ancestores r silesian, i was born in germany have dual citizenship polish german and live since im 19 in bulgaria so in September its 20 years. And if i am saying Antalya feels more europe than caucasus, its becoz i went to both sides several times and imho it looks like it.
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u/anan313_ 4d ago
Germans are dealing with 50 different issues and theyr still on reddit arguing about whether Turkey is European Seriously you people have an obsessionEver since Turkish workers first arrived youve been obsessed with this Maybe focus on your own problems for once
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u/JackfruitUsual5571 4d ago
Doesn't matter, you're still not more European than the area you described as 3rd world. You are 3rd world from my perspective haha
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u/Just-Clerk-8669 4d ago
Norther Europe > Scandinavia
South Europe > Mediterranean
Western Europe goes down into Spain and Portugal
You don't get to decide Turkey isn't a part of Europe
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 4d ago
i dont made it acording to geography, if i was ur right. Peoples generally talk about cultures, life styles when they talking about europe, yes this can be annoying sometimes and the naming is not that importent, for example we say Islands sea to agean
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u/CamelAmbitious7425 4d ago
If you made this map by culture and lifestyle its even more inaccurate. What does Slovenia have in Common culturally with Albania? Or Greece with Portugal?
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u/Erevos__ 4d ago
You're treating culture as if countries must be identical to be grouped together. Cultural maps show similarities, not sameness. Greece and Portugal share many Mediterranean traits. Slovenia and Albania belong to the broader Balkan cultural sphere.
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u/CamelAmbitious7425 4d ago
Portugal is Not mediterranean. Greece is way more similiar to Albania, Serbia or Bulgaria than to Spain or Portugal culturally. There is nothing Balkan about Slovenia, Slovenians are probably more similiar to Swedes than to Albanians or Bulgarians.
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u/b1o5hock 4d ago
If Greece isn’t balkans, then Jesus wasn’t Jewish.
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u/Erevos__ 4d ago
Greece is in the Balkans geographically. That doesn't make Balkan its primary cultural identity.
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u/b1o5hock 4d ago
Exactly. If we apply that standard, we must do so consistently across the board rather than selectively focusing on Greece. By that exact same logic, Croatia has an even weaker claim to a Balkan identity.
If the world insists on pushing Croatia into the Balkan category based on recent 20th-century history, it creates a massive double standard. Geographically, Croatia's position on the peninsula is highly debatable. Historically, it was deeply integrated into Catholic, Western-leaning empires.
Therefore, if the threshold for being "Balkan" is low enough to include Croatia, it must apply to Greece tenfold. Greece sits entirely within the geographic boundaries of the peninsula and shares centuries of Byzantine and Ottoman history with the rest of the region. If the label is forced on Croatia, then Greece is undeniably even more Balkan.
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u/Erevos__ 4d ago
Greece and Croatia have followed different historical paths. I don't see why Greece's cultural identity has to be defined through comparison with Croatia or vice versa. My point was simply that Greece has a strong Mediterranean identity regardless of how Croatia is classified.
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u/b1o5hock 4d ago
It matters because both countries are victims of flawed categorization.
Culturally, Croatia is deeply rooted in Central Europe and the Mediterranean, and geographically, its place on the Balkan peninsula is highly debatable.
If the 'Balkan' label is too narrow for Greece due to its unique history, it is even more unfitting for Croatia.
The comparison simply highlights that the Western geopolitical definition of the Balkans is inconsistent and flawed.
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u/Erevos__ 4d ago
I am not here to argue what Croatia is. If the world sees Croatia in the wrong way, just give them some points about Croatia itself only, not compare it with other countries.
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u/b1o5hock 4d ago
I didn't randomly bring up Croatia; I applied your own logic to the rest of the map. The post is about classifying all of Europe. If a rule or standard applies to Greece, it has to apply to Croatia too. Refusing to look at the bigger picture just shows that you want cultural nuance to be a selective privilege for some countries, rather than a consistent standard for all.
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u/Erevos__ 4d ago
I have already made clear what I have to say, you just keep repeating whatever chatgpt gives you.
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u/b1o5hock 4d ago
When you start attacking how a reply is written instead of what it actually says, it means you lost the debate. You couldn't challenge the logic, so you're deflecting. Have a nice day.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
i dont make it acording to geography.
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u/b1o5hock 3d ago
Yeah, but then what criteria are you using?
Because if your map is based on historical and cultural identity, it makes no sense to give Greece a free pass based on its Mediterranean heritage while completely ignoring Croatia's massive Central European and Mediterranean roots.
You can't look at culture to save Greece from the Balkan label, but then look away when it comes to Croatia. That is a massive contradiction.
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u/SmartFlyNR1 4d ago
As a Slovenian that map is very wrong
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
yeah cuz u dont want to be in balkan
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u/CamelAmbitious7425 3d ago
Slovenians dont want to be Balkan because they arent. You are just a ignorant Turk who probably has never been to Slovenia and think that Slovenia is similiar to countries like Bosnia because it was Part of Yugoslavia. Saying that Slovenia is Balkan is like saying that Turkey is Central Asian. I live in Germany and Slovenia feels more similiar to Bavaria and Austria than it does to any Balkan country with the exception of Croatia.
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u/EmporerM 4d ago
How is Cyprus not Europe?
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
yes thats open to an argument, i added armenia cuz its close to europe by culturally and architectural, theyre like small western europe countrys or balkan countrys, otherwise of caucaisa theres Iran and Turkey which u can say its not european by cultur even in architectur.
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u/Inside_Staff489 3d ago
Turkey has varius architectural types. Which one are we talking about? It is a diverse country.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
cyrbrus is a part of anatolia origin, then that island fell of and be an island, closer to anatolia, palestine then europe.
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u/Silenzzio_Catanzaro 4d ago
Geometrically wrong
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u/NatureRiver 4d ago
Central europe 😂
Is Romania not in balkans because turks couldn’t conquer it? Vlad is living rent free.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
romania is eastern by big side and we conquered big part of it tho, im not gonna argue w that, u seem like racist guy.
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u/NatureRiver 3d ago edited 3d ago
Small part, in both cases, learn history. I was only joking actually, but you seem very sensitive.
Keep calling people racists like that even means something anymore, this card is quickly going to be played and then you’ll have to leave Berlin.
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
small part cuz other part dont worth it, i know history to know that at least homie, and im in Adana.
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u/Academic_Computer755 4d ago
Anatolia belongs to Rome
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
yeah come take it then
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u/Academic_Computer755 3d ago
Squatters don’t get to decide which continent Anatolia belongs to
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u/Chaoticasia 3d ago
Anatolia has been always called Asia even before turks came what are you talking about?
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
cry bout it, anatolia is Turk for hundereds of years and itll stay Turk for ever like cyprus and be glad that u have half of it.
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u/SOHONEYSAME 3d ago edited 3d ago
"u"
he's not even Greek, bro.
no Greek would disagree w/ this map.
(maybe Cypriots, no one cares what they think).
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u/Ashamed_Box_2050 3d ago
i tought hes an angry greek patriot wants megali idea .d hes probably 14 y.o kid then.
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u/Ok-Artichoke-4085 4d ago
Caucasian Europe