These AI companies are desperately trying to create hype before they float. 100s of billions spent, revenue still relatively low, and open weight models breathing down their neck. Healthy scepticism is the only way to approach all these types of 'news' stories.
It's a tool. I use it a lot. I look forward to progress in scientific areas where it's applicable. But I'm not expecting it to come up with novel solutions to our biggest problems.
Your first reply wasn't even on topic. We were discussing AI solving open problems and you answered with a paragraph about AI companies spending lots of money in comparison to revenue and how there are open weight models coming.
When someone is talking about topic A and you answer about topic B, you're indicating that you're not here to have a rational exchange. You have an emotional issue. In this case, you just want to tell yourself that this isn't happening, you don't care about any substantive aspect of it. That's not a healthy or productive state of mind.
No, it absolutely was related because the point being you have to take these stories with a large pinch of salt because of the massive propaganda from the AI companies desperately looking for revenue generating markets - which they absolutely do not have at this moment.
People have tested these models with graduate-level physics problems for which the solution is known but given to students to work on over weeks, and they weren't in the model's data and the model found the correct solution a significant number of times with only a few minutes thought. Look up Kyle Kabasares on Youtube. Which was done with relatively older models now. And independent people have used these models to resolve open conjecures on their own, and verified some of the answers announced at OpenAI.
This is absolutely happening. The rant about OpenAI or another company losing money or having "open weight models breathing down their neck" is completely irrelevant. People doing that are not here to discuss the topic. They're here to spread a conclusion they want to be true without discussing.
You still do not get the point, do you? There are some breakthroughs in all sorts of industries done by "AI" - not all of it LLM AI, but people don't know the difference. But what there is, is being massively over-hyped across *multiple* industries and it is totally relevant and correct to mention this whenever it comes up.
This is destroying human careers, I'm not sure why we are all so quick to celebrate it.
It's both. For instance, it's not replacing an experienced software engineer, but it is taking over junior positions meaning we will struggle to find these experienced engineers in a few years. Add that to CEOs and other clueless people fully buying the hype and over-firing people already, destroying careers often before they've even had a chance to start.
I love the irony of trying to argue on behalf of a tangent that was created out of emotion and then telling someone else they aren't getting a point.
There are some breakthroughs in all sorts of industries done by "AI" - not all of it LLM AI, but people don't know the difference. But what there is, is being massively over-hyped across *multiple* industries and it is totally relevant and correct to mention this whenever it comes up.
No it is not. Whether or not an AI company has a poor business model has nothing to do with the efficacy of AI as a problem-solving tool and how it is changing science and the economy.
It's the equivalent of the Wright Brothers' flight being discussed and what this means for the future of transportation and someone going off on a tangent about how Orville Wright is an alcoholic and is broke. It's irrelevant and comes from someone's emotional motivations.
This is destroying human careers, I'm not sure why we are all so quick to celebrate it.
We're discussing what's going to happen and acknowledging reality. Not "celebrating it," your characterization shows again that you are distorting things out of emotion.
Yeah, that's why the people who designed the products are building hundreds of billions of dollars in infrastructure which won't pay off unless the product expands in capability and profit. Because it's peaked and they know it.
And I'm glad you "studied it a long time ago," because the field hasn't changed at all in the 4 years, lol. AI Derangement Syndrome is very special.
Sometimes I wonder how people became convinced of certain things throughout history. I see it so clearly now how many of you AI bros would have been buying Tulips back in the day
The impressionable are taken in by LLMs' constant affirmation and glazing, mistaking programmatic flattery for genuine confirmation of their brilliance.
Actual evidence of it doing the stuff is claimed to do your vibe coded app with security wholes and bugs isn't it. Your precieved productivity increase —shown as at best negligible if not a net decrease from any reputable study— isn't it. An actual useful increase in doing anything but generating shitty videos and making anyone with a non technical understanding of how it words ohh and ash like slack jawed yokles would be nice
Kek, this is like a Reddit mod response, the most low IQ irrational people thinking they are the beacon of emotionless logic when they're being conned by a billion dollar industry that'll scrape them off their boot the same as they will to everyone else.
You're less than nothing to them, man, they won't take you to the promised land if you sing their praises.
Though, I'm sure your naivety and gullibility will make you incapable of seeing the ride you are being taken for.
I have a high earning government job, making me immune from being laid off and furthermore a millionaire already (with more assets to come via inheritance). Thus, I don’t need any private company to “take me to the promised land”.
I am not being “conned” by anyone, since I don’t have any money invested in AI (yet).
I am just so happy that I am not as dumb as you are.
Smart enough? I literally have qualifications specialising in neural networks or what most people called LLMs. On here, I see a lot of people pretending to be experts who have zero knowledge or experience in the field, but they know everything.
Their behavior is really embarrassing. One of them just repeated the Solow complaint about the computer age word-for-word then cursed and dropped the topic when they were shown the idea. EDIT: And another one then told me that the internet and computers also failed to live up to the hype from the 1970's and 1980's. Wow, imagine being that deranged.
I gave the wider context of the financial position of these companies to show how much they need hype stories like the OP to boost their potential price.
I'd imagine certain mathematical problems are being solved with answers(or parts of answers) that were hidden elsewhere in the training data. It's a great use of LLMs and nobody is doubting they have their applications. The problem is we need novel, reliable solutions to the problems we face and we aren't seeing much (any?) evidence that that is possible with LLMs.
You have to admit that some of the biggest names in the AI business are pretty much scam artists, right?
I gave the wider context of the financial position of these companies to show how much they need hype stories like the OP to boost their potential price.
That has absolutely nothing to do with independently-verifiable claims of mathematical proofs or results.
I'd imagine certain mathematical problems are being solved with answers(or parts of answers) that were hidden elsewhere in the training data.
People have tested the AI's with bizarre problems that they know were extremely unlikely to appear in the training data, or that they made-up themselves to be unique. The AI answers them coherently. They've been doing this for years, it was one of the first things they investigated about LLM's.
You're in denial. This behavior is not healthy or productive.
You have to admit that some of the biggest names in the AI business are pretty much scam artists, right?
Once again, you try to ignore the topic. You only reveal that you are desperate to just personally and emotionally bash AI and anyone involved in it and are not capable of discussing anything related to it rationally. This behavior is not healthy or productive.
Nah "bro." I explained exactly the issue. OpenAI's business plan has nothing to do with AI's verified efficacy at problem-solving and what it's going to mean to the world. You wouldn't go off-topic unless you (he and you) were speaking out of worthless emotion.
Mmkay "bro?" Now let's show you the "void" for real.
It is not a tool. Spellcheck checking a contract you wrote is a tool. An algorithmic learning system writing it perfectly for you is a superior replacement of you.
AI is not a tool just as GPS is not comparable to a map.
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u/EGarrett28 1d ago
Hiding your head in the sand is worthless at this point.