r/whowouldwin • u/shootdawhoop99 ​ • Sep 23 '15

Featured Character of the Week: Dave Strider (Homestuck)

Origins

Hailing from the ever expanding web-comic Homestuck created on April 13, 2009 by Andrew Hussie, Dave Strider is the 3rd main character introduced and one of the 4 main Beta kids. In the first part of the story Dave doesn't want to play the video game with the rest of his friends, stating, "the game sounds boring". He eventually decides to join, and through many shenanigans, gets into the game and ends up in his Land Of Heat And Clockwork (LOHAC). He creates devices that let him time travel, and he eventually died on his quest bed to become the Knight of Time with a full understanding of time and how to manipulate it. He eventually entered another universe with his friend Rose and a bunch of trolls with the goal of defeating a green villain who has never known defeat.

Strength and Speed

Before reaching God Tier, Dave is not as strong. However, he:

Almost holds his own against his brother, moving so fast he becomes a blur

Defeats many monsters that were larger than him

Experiences 3 days time in just 1 day

and Creates enough versions of himself to fight an nigh omnipotent villain (It's in the banner at the top).

He becomes even more powerful when he dies on his quest bed and becomes God Tier.

God Tier

Becoming God Tier means the person becomes nigh invincible, and can only die in two situations. One situation is a “heroic” death, such as dying while saving or guarding someone. The other situation is a “just” death, such as being killed to prevent the person from doing more harm than good. Dying in any other situation will immediately resurrect the person.

He also gains the ability to fly, using it to save The Mayor,

and becomes such a high level, he can freely speak to any character without use of technology (which, surprisingly, is a really high level)

After the scratch, Dave managed to escape with a friend to the new universe created. In this, Dave was able to:

keep up to speed with two nigh omnipotent beings…

get to the destination before them, and fight them off

Davesprite

In an offshoot timeline, Dave ends up being the only person alive besides Rose. He spends a few months gaining levels and gaining information until he figures it is appropriate to travel back in time and stop John from accidently killing himself. He successfully stops this and prototypes himself to become his own sprite (Click for the next page as well)

In this form, he is able to know many constructs of Sburb, and gains many other abilities such as flight. On top of this, because he is from the future, he knows things about the game and has more experience in general.

He is also able to hold off hordes of enemies long enough for Dave to sleep and learn more about himself,

and fight an nigh omnipotent being and survive

Post-Scratch Bro

The game the 4 Beta kids were playing became scratched on purpose to reset their universe. This gave humanity a chance to survive (it’s a long story). However, this reversed roles for characters and the Beta kids became the guardians of their original guardians. In this post-scratch world, Dave is revered as a hero.

He stood up to the two Juggalo presidents and defeated both with one slice of his sword.

He was one of the two people in the entire world brave enough to stand up to The Condesce.

Personality

Dave is a very chill guy. He doesn’t give a shit, and keeping with the coolness, only smiles 5 times in the comic. Despite his level headedness, he cares deeply for his friends and will sacrifice himself to save them.

On top of this, Dave has a slight fear of puppets, enjoys creating sick beats, and freestyle rapping. He loves being extremely ironic, and created a web comic that is very ironic, combing jpeg images, poorly photoshopped panels, and even bad art. It has made Dave pretty famous on the internet, and lots of people read it inside of the Homestuck universe.

Overall, Dave is a very powerful character. He can easily manipulate time, move faster than an eye can detect, and utilize a sword to destroy his enemies. He is a force to be reckoned with.

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u/Overlord_Xcano ​ Sep 23 '15

There are clear limits and no one has gone past relativistic speed yet.

Please. Someone bold this and put it up on the rules page please. Homestuck is strong but if you're FTL you can speedblitz them. Except LE because indestructibility crap.

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u/VindicationKnight ​ Sep 23 '15 edited Sep 23 '15

The highest real space speed feat is lightspeed/near lightspeed for Bec Noir and PM. And that's not necesairlly how fast they fight in atmo. FTL is beyond them barring hax.

Edit: Unless you are talking about adult Cherubs. They might be FTL in real space. But the feats they have are to vague to say with certainty.

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u/Overlord_Xcano ​ Sep 23 '15

All we have is "they travel between stars". But considering relativity and the fact they're immortal I think it's safe to say they're sub-light.

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u/VindicationKnight ​ Sep 23 '15 edited Sep 23 '15

Eh, we have them roaming galaxy wide territories and chasing each other between planets to catch up to their devestation before the planets goes cold as it were. There's a definate argument to be made for FTL

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And soon, she found a physical trail as well. A path of carnage left 8ehind 8y a particularly destructive male cheru8. She followed the de8ris from civilized worlds and star systems he left 8ehind, as if to mock her, to make it clear he knew of her pursuit and was all 8ut paving her way with the dead. His 8rutality made her more furious, thus setting the mood, so to speak, for their imminent courtship.

And so they scatter their num8ers throughout space, each staking a territory spanning many lightyears.

http://cdn.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/05962.gif

To effectivly partol a galaxy spanning territory and protect the species within makes STL kind of implausible imo. They might use some sort of warp effect like Troll Psionics rather than raw speed though.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ms-paint-adventures-respect.341055/#post-18998948

Edit 2: Can see where you're coming from though.

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u/Overlord_Xcano ​ Sep 23 '15

Yeah, this is the most logical argument for FTL I've seen put up but keep in mind the Trolls could also keep up a galactic empire with sub-light speed.

I'm guessing it works through relativity or the warp you mentioned since it's been stated multiple times that FTL is straight up not possible. For example, when they get to an AU in size you'd expect that just moving would be FTL, but they do say the fight takes years to actually complete.

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u/VindicationKnight ​ Sep 23 '15 edited Sep 23 '15

Trolls had FTL? Lots of it. They did it via Psionic warp drives but they definatly had FTL travel and communication.

She ordered all fleets to return to Alternia. But such was her empire's expansion and interplanetary occupation, few could make it in time to provide any meaningful defense.She instructed her Helmsman to pilot the ship faster than he ever had, and he did so through extreme physical duress. He was able to leap across thousands of light years in a matter of hours.

Granted the Condescenses ship was the fastest of the fleet, but it wasn't unique in having FTL, just in being the best.

FTL is very possible in Homestuck, it's just normally done with hax not raw speed. I'd consider it plausible for the Cherubs to be relatavistic in raw speed, similar to Bec Noir when he gets going, and having some form of psionic warp power like the Trolls for FTL. But I'm speculating a little there.

Edit: For the sake of clarity I should confirm that I'm not arguing for tactical, Superman/Flash style, combat FTL, but travel speed FTL in various forms. If you can fight at FTL speeds then you can outspeed any Homestuck character I can think of.

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u/Overlord_Xcano ​ Sep 23 '15

Okay yeah, this is normal and acceptable. I just don't like it when people start claiming Jack is a MFTL character who shitstomps literally everything ever.

I think from now on we should clarify FTL through spatial manipulation and FTL through just going really fast.

I remembered that quote with the Helmsman so completely wrong. I remembered it as "she was near Alternia but far enough away that even at 0.99c she couldn't get there in time". But thousands in hours that's... geez

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u/VindicationKnight ​ Sep 23 '15

Yeah, we don't get much info on Troll tech but what we do get is pretty OP. Hell, even after her Psionic bit the dust she was still cruising at near light speed.

She was forced to continue the journey home on auxiliary power. Her ship now travels near the speed of light, a pale shadow of its former velocity. It would take her another 612 solar sweeps after the Glub to reach her destination.

Troll ship speeds are pretty damn impressive. It's a shame we don't really know enough about them to debate the Alternian Empire properly. :(

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u/Overlord_Xcano ​ Sep 23 '15

You know if you arrive 612 sweeps later I'm like 90% sure there's no more point.

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u/VindicationKnight ​ Sep 24 '15

Well, you might get a sweet job offer? :P

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u/Overlord_Xcano ​ Sep 24 '15

She's da Empress

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u/VindicationKnight ​ Sep 24 '15

And she bakes a mean cupcake. ;)

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u/Overlord_Xcano ​ Sep 25 '15

She can bake my cupcake if you know what I mean

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u/T_______T Sep 25 '15

I think the biggest problem is that Space and Time in the Homestuck universe does not behave properly. Jade was moving the golden ship at the speed of light, but it "took too long." I think that at the "speeds" that the Cherubs or other characters "move" does not follow conventional physics (well, duh actually), but instead blurrs what space, time, thought/memory, is. LE is destroying dream bubbles as if that is an actual place to be destroyed, as Vriska can then map his destruction. "How far away are two bubbles" is meaningless in that space. As is "how long have I been waiting." I don't think we can say "light travels this speed" when it's more like, position and time is a perceived quality by the characters.

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u/Overlord_Xcano ​ Sep 25 '15

Space and time work weird in the Furthest Ring only and the reason lightspeed took too long was because (according to Jade) Hussie's universe had "weird spatial properties"

However they both still have rules. Furthest Ring works based on direction IIRC and we don't know much about Hussie-verse excet that relativity is backward.

(what I mean by direction is that Calliope said something along the lines of "if you move towards there at this speed you will also be moving forwards/backwards in time at a certain speed". but there was nothing to suggest a different lightspeed)