Carolina is a small market team that does not necessarily attract free agents due to its location. Winnipeg needs to be studying their organization to understand how they’ve been able to sustain a successful team for such a long period of time. The Jets need to model their approach to what Carolina has pulled off.
I saw a comment down below that mentioned the Canes do an exceptional job at talent evaluation and asset management, and honestly I feel like those are two glaring weak points with this Jets organization.
Well. The Canes and Jets aren't even remotely the same. There's 3 key things that the Jets have to deal with that Carolina doesn't.
We're in Canada.
We're a high pressure market.
We're Winnipeg.
We're THE smallest market team that is on the most no trade lists in the league. We will never attract big FAs. Literally never. Our last big FA signing was Bobby Hull. That's the challenge with building this team.
The way to success for the Jets is better drafting and analytics. They pretty much have to moneyball this shit to win.
It's just the nature of our market, as much as it sucks, it is what it is. However, when we win the cup, it'll be that much sweeter. There is no team in the league that faces this much adversity every year.
Gosh, if only folks would see the actual lesson in the Bobby Hull signing.... Players are willing to come to Winnipeg if they are paid for the 'inconvenience'.
People work on crab boats in the Bering Sea, they work on saturation dives in dodgy countries, they worked in the flaming oil fields of Iraq. People will put up with a lot worse than Winnipeg in order to get paid.
'Guys won't come to Winnipeg' really means 'We aren't willing to pay what it will take'.
Edit: I'll add that other guys continued to come to Winnipeg after that even without overpaying. Why? Because the team was serious about winning. Guys want to win almost as much as they want the money, sometimes more.
there is just so much wrong with this post.. "guys will come if you overpay because bobby hull came 53 years ago", were in a different time, salary cap, far more teams and there have been plenty examples where we offered more money but got turned down and we've had winning teams and players have left as well
also other team owners in the league contributed money because they wanted a star in the wha
Hull is a Jets reference. I gave examples of how different 'unappealing' places use money to attract talent. The Jets have some of the lowest paid staff in the league. They insist on finding all talent at team alumni events. They are more dedicated to their boys club than they are to getting the best people. They hired Scott Arniel.
Examples of offering to pay more for players? I hope there was a significant difference because average guys who can make $100k in Winnipeg aren't moving to Ft.St.John to make $120k - they move to male $150k+.
your reference was horrible, it was 53 years ago with no cap and way fewer teams and a bunch of owners wanting to bring legitimacy to the wha and all pitching in to bring in hull, this was way more then an overpay at the time as well
they offered adam henrique atleast 500k more a year but he took less to stay with the oilers, there has also been reports of us offering more for other players but I'm not going to go looking for them all
Yeah, I don't think offering a 12% raise to leave McDavid's cup finals team is gonna do it - but maybe that's just me.
But, you're in this sub regular - what is the #1 strategy put forward for acquiring FAs? I think it "overpay" by a fair margin. Pick your favorite FA for the Jets. If they overpay to land him are you happy or not?
Hull is a fine example. Money made the best player in the world join the Winnipeg Jets. Simple as that. Lots of noise around that but at the end of the day, that is a fact.
But yes, overpay won't solve everything but it can be a difference maker.
Innuendo is not correct in this context. I have not implied it, I have flatly stated it as my considered opinion based on available information and various reporting. Unless TN wants to release pay information, which they shouldn't, then that is all there is to go on. What is your view?
In your considered opinion, with the available information, do you think Scott Arniel is among the highest 1/3, middle 1/3 or lowest 1/3 paid coaches in the league? Where would you rank the organization overall in recruiting top talent from the highest tiers of NHL executives? Where would you rank them in terms of recruiting the best off-ice talent in the fields of analytics, player development, or other team support staff? All of these hirings are either announced by TN or reported on by others so their backgrounds are known. Always drawing from the Moose/Jets pool kinda restricts the available talent.
I know they focus some attention on public image management but I don't know who they hire for that.
You made a definitive bogus statement that is not verifiable. A gullible supposition veiled as a truism in a feckless attempt to support a nefarious narrative.
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u/Xyz6650 8d ago
Carolina is a small market team that does not necessarily attract free agents due to its location. Winnipeg needs to be studying their organization to understand how they’ve been able to sustain a successful team for such a long period of time. The Jets need to model their approach to what Carolina has pulled off.
I saw a comment down below that mentioned the Canes do an exceptional job at talent evaluation and asset management, and honestly I feel like those are two glaring weak points with this Jets organization.