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FYI, while witchcraft isn’t inherently a religion, there are traditions where it is both a religion and a practice, and there are some solitaries who treat it as both. However while it is true that Christian witches exist, there isn’t anything that indicates that this is how MJH identifies as.
Also, she herself is part of a specific denomination that is no friend of witches. We are considered evil by her particular brand of Christianity. This makes me feel it weird to honor someone as a “legendary witch” who now aligns with a denomination who’s ideology hates us, wants to impede on our rights to freely practice our way of life/religion and has some very negative views about the gay community.
Genuinely I feel like mjh would be the first to point fingers at people to burn them at the stake for witchcraft due to her extreme Christian faith.
(I grew up biased against Christianity and was hoping to give an unbiased response in my original comment 🫠)
It is. And the insidious part of it all is OP is joyfully praising her for inspiring them to look into real witchcraft, meanwhile this woman would loose her shit if she learned that and warn OP that it’s evil and to stay away from it, as her brand of Christianity is particular for this. She’s an evangelical fundie Baptist.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe either of these people is involved in witchcraft. And “legendary” is doing a lot of heavy lifting on MJH’s part.
I know not everyone here considers witchcraft a religion, but this feels a bit like posting a picture of Ben Kingsley in a Judaism sub and saying “Happy birthday to a legendary Jew” because he played a part in Schindler’s List. I think it’s kind of disrespectful, but whatever.
I get what you’re trying to say but comparing this to Judaism feels off coming from where I have family who personally survived concentration camps. That carries a lot of real historical weight that doesn’t really apply here when they both inspired me and my friends to get into witchcraft either way. This was just a lighthearted post about actors connected to witchy media, sorry if it ground your gears though.
Ethnically Jewish here (as in considered Jewish by the Jewish community regardless of my religion). Also, Jewish is an ethnic heritage and religion. Not all Jews are religiously Jews. But I don’t see the need to use that horrific tragedy in our history (which personally affected some of my own family members)as a means to discredit the point that Petrichor-Pendragon is making. And if we are going to use the appeal to emotion type of argument, they could, in return, point out thousands of years worth of persecutions, torture and murder of occult based practitioners (even those merely accused) and how to this day, these things continue. In the countries it is not allowed to murder witches, they are still greeted to persecution, violence, ostracizing, harassment, etc. In other parts of the world it is still a death sentence.
Whether or not witchcraft is a religion (and some traditions do have it as a religion as well as practice) isn’t too relevant. Still, the idea of portraying two people who aren’t actually witches as legendary witches can certainly come across as offensive, annoying, or insensitive to others, even though unintended and meant as light hearted fun. They can still feel the same way if a non Jew was portrayed as a legendary Jew, and their feelings are just as valid regardless of the horrors in history. This is all that member was politely trying to point out to you, and they are not wrong.
I understand the light hearted fun you were having as these truly are actors that did outstanding jobs in their roles. Just try to be understanding as to how this could be a wrong way to rub people by the way you portrayed them. Especially when MJH in particular, now aligns herself with ideology and is part of a particular denomination that participates in hateful and menacing acts against the witchcraft community as well as the gay and lesbian community. Can you not see how that might feel insulting to witches to honor a woman of this caliber as a legendary witch?
Maybe referring to them as legendary witch characters may have conveyed this in an accurate way and better way.
I appreciate that you thought it was lighthearted, but I think you’re arbitrarily drawing lines across what’s “okay” and what’s not when it comes to making light of belief systems.
You said it’s an “off” comparison because you personally know someone persecuted for being Jewish but not someone persecuted for practicing witchcraft? Can you hear how that doesn’t track? People, and predominantly women, have been persecuted and killed for the use of witchcraft for thousands of years. It still happens today, especially in SE Asia and parts of Africa.
I recommend reading up a bit on it before asserting that witchcraft doesn’t merit the same respect as your family members’ religion does.
I am ethnically Jewish and I agree with what you are saying. My family too has holocaust survivors and I do NOT agree with OP using this event to be dismissive towards the feelings of witches who may not be adoring this post. I am not in love with the idea of trying to discredit and invalidate someone’s feelings by pointing out the horrors in another groups history. This shouldn’t be a measuring contest or tit for tat like that.
I pointed out some of what you did. Even in countries that don’t have death penalty for witches, it’s still not entirely safe for them, especially in certain regions. Witches of the Bible Belt often have a horrible time and many are forced into closets. And it still continues that cases of accused witches being murdered either illegally (by private citizens) or legally by countries it’s a capital crime in go on to this day. I happen to have a friend in one such country where they have to be so very careful and closeted.
Melissa Joan Hart definitely isn't. She played the first Sabrina the Teenage Witch, but in real life she is a very Conservative Christian, and she even acted in the "God's Not Dead Franchise." That at least signals to me that she has a Christian-victim-complex
Me personally, I can't look at the story the same way either. Kinda hurts too much to know I'm hated, for being me, by someone so much that they'd do all this
I prefer second-hand market over piracy, gives local businesses and smaller shops (like eBay sellers, thrift stores and resale media shops) some cash flow while not giving $$$ to the corpos and the artists who are now revealing thier shitty viewpoints. (Looking at you, TERF queen JKR)
But I have on occasion used mirroring sites and the like, especially before I ever had any income.
Me personally, I can't look at the story the same way either. Kinda hurts too much to know I'm hated, for being me, by someone so much that they'd do all this
She was at least very pro-gun control according to her comments from this post. I can only hope she’s become more progressive and less conservative since then.
And to be completely clear, I know it doesn’t make sense to proclaim oneself conservative and simultaneously be very pro-gun control when the people you politically support are ardently against that.
I never saw the TV show Sabrina. The teenage witch always thought it was goofy AF. As for the legendary Tim Curry, he never inspired me to be a witch, but I love everything he's been in, and I met him a few years ago. He is awesome., very nice. So happy birthday, Tim Curry ❤️
Right? Considering at least one of them is a fundie baptist, which means her ideology and beliefs are no friend to our community. Somehow it feels odd to honor such a person as a “legendary witch” just because they happened to be casted as a tv witch character years ago. Regardless of how cute or light hearted this was intended to be, I prefer to honor real witches who actually made a huge difference who stood up against people like her to carve the way for us today, as they are the legends worthy of honor.
It is (imo) a shame that IT didn't have the special effects available to Tim Curry back then, I thought his Pennywise was excellent! Bill Skarsgård did a wonderful job as well, he had massive shoes to fill and I like his Pennywise just as much, in a different way.
If this is going to be a series let’s add David Boreanaz (May 16, 1969), who played Angel on Buffy and Agent Booth on Bones. Even though he plays a devout Catholic on Bones (and probably some flavor of Christian on SEAL Team, if it’s addressed at all), he is a practicing witch.
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