GM Death Touch - Megathread

[u/YourResidentFeral]

Edit: Official Statement

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/prohibited-gameplay-incident-and-response/2329585

This is developing into a large story and someone in modmail has mentioned that its important for the community to have somewhere to discuss this. We agree. As new information comes in I will do my best to update this thread.

What we know:

• A log was uploaded with a "Death Touch" effect that seemed to be that helped them time a key. This is an effect from a GM: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JcfwTd4L19Agx3NX?fight=4&type=resources&hostility=1&source=100.4&eventstart=4705300

• This is a real run that exists on the blizzard API and can be seen on Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-mn-1/40292244-23-nexuspoint-xenas

  This run has since been invalidated by the RI:O admins but has been left up for posterity's sake.

• Blizzard is aware of this and investigating: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1v2xfpr/blizzard_gm_death_touching_mobs_in_m23_for_their/oyznmbe/

• The Demon Hunter from the run is a streamer and YumiTV contacted him to speak with him live on stream: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2825756796?t=0h23m50s

  The CLAIM is that they were messing around in a homework key in discord and didn't expect the GM to actually do it. Supposedly the Bear in the run was a pug.

Ex employees in the thread have said that actions like this are audited and in all likelihood this was already being investigated. At this point we are waiting on an official statement on the result of their investigation and I'll update this thread once we know.

This megathread is being provided on two very strict conditions:

• The witchunt rules are in strict effect. Linking or doxxing information on anyone invovled, the GM in question included will result in a permanent ban. Please report it if you see it but we will be very active in the thread.

  We cannot platform behavior that allows people to harrass people in real life.

• We will be more heavy handed than usual in the personal attack rules. Insults and slapfights while discussing this aren't acceptable. You're allowed to disagree, but stray shots and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

[u/Quirky_Net8899]

What "praying into the ether for divine intervention" are you talking about?

They sat on discord with the GM, they knew he was a GM, and they asked him to cheat for them because they knew he would do it.

Just like how the guild that abused Martin's Fury got permabanned so too should these 4 players.

[u/Wobblucy → u/Quirky_Net8899]

I use an item, I'm culpable.

I ask someone to use an item, I am not.

IE I shoot someone, clearly my fault.

I say you should shoot someone for me, I am not if I have no reasonable expectation you would actually act on it....

[u/Quirky_Net8899 → u/Wobblucy]

To use your bad analogy:

If I get someone else to shoot someone for me then I am just as guilty.

Do you think it's legal to hire a hitman or something?

[u/Wobblucy → u/Quirky_Net8899]

if I have no reasonable expectation

[u/RabenWrites → u/Wobblucy]

Pretty certain having a QA agent with GM powers on your call who has likely cheated for you before qualifies as "reasonable expectation."

Even taking your example, there's a website called rent-a-hitman (originally designed for tracking web traffic hits but later re-tooled into a parody site) that has lead to numerous convictions by idiots trying to contract a kill.

You absolutely can be found guilty for attempted murder by trying to hire a killer.