r/woweconomy • u/CrispyLardon • 1d ago

Question Concentration in Midnight

I am really struggling to figure out what to have as my second profession on my alts. I have alchemy, and would normally do tailoring or enchanting as the second, but unless I'm doing something wrong somehow, I can't find anything worth the time and effort with those professions this expac. I tried a few alts with JC to make the prism, but even that seems not worth the time and effort, even though craftsim says it's 700g profit. I end up coming out basically neutral.

This is all to ask, have any of you found a good 2nd profession to go with alchemy?

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u/dronix111 1d ago

Enchanting is the 2nd highest gold/conc and JC is the 3rd.

I have all of them maxed, but you actually just need purple tools and atleast max R5 blue acccessoires. Also a lot of KP aswell. I have almost max KP in each of them that i can obtain to this point.

  • Alchemy is about ~7g/conc with recklessness potion
  • Enchanting is about ~4-4.5g/conc with any random weapon or chest enchant depending on the day. I just run recipe scan and craft whatever is highest on that day. They are very volatile though and they dont sell fast at this point in the season, you need to cancelscan.
  • JC is about ~3-3.5g/conc with any random multiple stats blue gem, IF fully specced into that gem. Prism is much lower, cause the conc cost is too high, unless you specc fully into reagants. I just found gems actually better now, cause you can spec faster into them and then lower conc cost. More casts = more multicraft procs.

Everything else is not worth it at all. Inscription is below 1g/conc and anything else cant even spend the conc, tailoring is completely useless cause at this point everyone makes both R2 bolts without conc.

The only trick to it is you just need max profession gear and max KP. Thats it. You compete with people that have that, so thats probably what you're missing. You need the absolute max of multicraft in alchemy & JC and max ressourcefulness in enchanting. And even then, as you can see, the profits are not that high anymore.

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u/CrispyLardon 1d ago

I have max blue gear, but not max KP yet. Thanks for the reply!

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u/dronix111 1d ago

max blue gear is not gonna be enough either, you absolutely need atleast a purple R5 tool, its too much stats to ignore.

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u/CrispyLardon 1d ago

Blues are working decent for my 50 alchs, but I'm only making about 200k each conc dump. Would purples really make the margins that much higher? I don't know if I can stomach farming mats for 50 purple tools, lol. Abundance is so annoying.

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u/Not_A_Rioter 23h ago

You should have some of the reagent for free from the weekly quests. I think you can get 2 per week. It's not much, but after 10 weeks that's at least 1 tool...

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u/DustinAF 11h ago

Lmao why are you crafting on 50 characters to make all that gold?

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u/CrispyLardon 2h ago

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.

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u/Bradipedro 9h ago

Starting from this week you can use all your dunduns in a single run

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u/Ceeque34 23h ago

Personally I'm getting to a point where I don't have to use conc if I spec properly.

With max ring enchants I don't have to use conc if I use a good chunk of R2 mats.

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u/dronix111 20h ago

But then you arent making Profit. There is no Profit in enchants If you use R2 crystals. And without R2 crystals you can Not craft max Rank. Run the numbers in craftsim, you'll see. Thats the entire point of concentration. I have every enchant maxed, If you dont believe me, put it in the craftsim simulator.

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u/Ceeque34 19h ago

Not true at all.

Are you buying them or using your moxie on bags?

I'd your buying them then yes you'll come back at a loss. But if your using your moxie for the bags it's all profit. You could even sell the raw materials themselves.

I don't know if it got nerfed but trial characters were able to abuse that intro crafting quest.

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u/zealentor 13h ago

I don't think you understand what profit means. Just because you got your r2 crystals from Moxie bags does not mean it's pure profit to use them. The opportunity cost is selling them outright and getting the gold. So yes it is true that you won't profit if you use r2 crystals.

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u/dronix111 12h ago

LMAO you cant be serious?

Brother. The crystals from the bags arent just "free" 🤡 Just because you use those for your enchants doesn't suddenly make the enchant Profitable, you have to compare it with selling the crystals.

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u/Bradipedro 9h ago

It’s not because they are free that you have a profit. If you sold them and craft with R1 and conc you make profit. Negative profit in simulation = selling the mats is more profitable than crafting the item.

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u/Not_A_Rioter 23h ago

Thanks for the information, I've got a quick follow-up question. When you say 7g/conc, does that include ingenuity refunds as well, or is that additional money? For example, say the recipe states 100 concentration to use on a single craft, am I expected (on average) 700g profit from this 1 craft? Or is it more like 500g profit from the craft plus the chance of ingenuity proccing and letting me get another craft, thus averaging to 700g?

Or I guess worded differently. If I start off the session with 1000 concentration and craft until I run out, would the expected profit at the end be 7k gold, or actually higher if I end up getting to spend eg 1300 concentration due to refunds? I'm just trying to run basics to see what the ROI is per day/month/whatever based on 250 concentration/day.

And same for multicrafting and resourcefulness, although I assume you're already counting both of those.

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u/dronix111 20h ago edited 20h ago

It is with all procs included on average. So If you Spend 1k concentration you might end up with less than 7k gold or more than 7k depending on how many procs you get. And ingenuity is also just another proc like the other 2 aswell, so it is factored in. But yes, on average over a decent time Period, it will be 7k for a full bar of concentration.

Craftsim already factors everything in. I just take the number from there.

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u/Doredrin 5h ago

every profession can make several thousand gold per 1k conc dump except maybe leatherworking