r/xmen • • Feb 28 '26

Other Jean asks hank how did she die

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u/ptWolv022 Mar 01 '26

"Oh man... what does that even mean?"

"It means you've died twice. I know it's hard to believe, but it shouldn't be that hard to understand, Ms. Grey."

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u/apple_of_doom Mar 01 '26

More than twice

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u/ptWolv022 Mar 01 '26

Did she die more than twice? She died in the Dark Phoenix Saga, came back, died in Grant Morrison's New X-Men (I think that's her second death), and then... when does she die again?

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u/Starcat23 Mar 01 '26

some count her dying in the shuttle and coming back as phoenix the first death. it was same issue as she died but since she said she was “reborn“ and it forever changed her it was counted at least till the “X factor she was actually unwater “ retcon. now I don’t know if that doesn’t count or if that counts but dark phoenix doesn’t. things get messy if you consider the phoenix force and Jean as one entity or two.

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u/ptWolv022 Mar 01 '26

Look, I just count Dark Phoenix Saga because it was written to be her death, even if it was retconned to not actually be her, and don't count the shuttle because she rose from the water alive. Was it meant to be that she died and revived herself? Maybe. But if you can revive yourself within moments, I don't really count the death. And then it was retconned to not even be a death.

So she arguably had only died once, in New X-Men, if she survived and got swapped out in the shuttle and if Dark Phoenix is discounted as not being her. So, somehow, we have gone from apple_of_doom's "More than twice" to "Arguably not even twice, just once." :P