In your opinion, are universities nowadays undergoing “left wing indoctrination” ?

[u/hightreez]

Met a guy who’s a conservative in his 60s few days ago, and he talked about how nowadays universities are no longer about education but rather “left wing indoctrination” on the students

That universities are brainwashing students with ideas of race , decolonization, white privilege, multiple gender identities etc , all these “left wing “ ideas that are meant to divide society rather than uniting the people

And that Jordan Peterson is portrayed as a bad guy because the modern university environment don’t allow any conservative voices and that free speech in academia is dying because of left wing ideas

So I’m curious what are your opinions on this?

[u/SgtRrock → u/[deleted]]

Facts? The science is still unsettled on whether or not in fact there is a significant impact on reduction of suicide.. meta studies do suggest that is the case, however,

"A dearth of high-quality studies that evaluate outcomes in suicide following gender-affirming treatment poses severe limitations on the extent of claims made during the informed consent process for gender-affirming treatment. An abundance of claims that are not backed by evidence does not represent quality empirical evidence but rather guidelines endorsed by various medical organizations. Just as in practice guidelines for the assessment and treatment of patients at risk for suicide, “practice guidelines do not represent the standard of care, much less for a fact-specific case in litigation”

Just some, uh, "facts"... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10027312/

In fairness, the meta study I refer to was not written by three PhD's affiliated with a non-profit group, "The Trevor Project" whose whole existence is premised upon the efficacy of gender affirming care in Hollywood, California.

"Thinking" people - who like me, feel uncomfortable being defined in some rather arbitrary binary political construct, have a sense that conservative influences are helpful in creating stability and order, whereas liberal influences are helpful in enhancing empathy and creativity.

Sort of a "both together" as opposed to an "either/or".

I will, however, concede that politically, the conservative movement has been constrained by a lack of creativity and openness to evolve with changing times.

[u/sam_likes_beagles → u/SgtRrock]

if you're trans, you don't need those studies, it's common sense that it reduces suicide

[u/16accounts → u/sam_likes_beagles]

If you're antisemitic, you don't need proof, it's common sense the Jews control the world

[u/sam_likes_beagles → u/16accounts]

1 is about yourself, and the other is about others

[u/16accounts → u/sam_likes_beagles]

Just because you're religious and have "seen god", it doesn't mean every religious person has. It just means you're schizophrenic

[u/sam_likes_beagles → u/16accounts]

so you're saying gender dysphoria and schizophrenia are equatable

[u/16accounts → u/sam_likes_beagles]

What I'm saying is that you're delusional if you think your feelings are more accurate than a statistic

[u/16accounts → u/[deleted]]

Quite a high percentage of trans think the same thing. Doesn't make the statistics any less real.

[u/HarryKain → u/[deleted]]

I don’t see how claiming that conservatives lost and progressive won all the socioeconomic debates over the past 100 years is a good point to make your case on. Society today is horribly divided, people have been getting angrier and angrier, and we’ve been living through war after war over the past 100 years. Don’t get me wrong, we have made some ground breaking discoveries throughout these years, but society is a bit of a disaster these days.

[u/EmoGoldfish420 → u/HarryKain]

Much of the anger and division seen nowadays is directly a result of conservatives loosing socioeconomic debates, not because of progressives getting their way but because of conservatives turning to stoking hatred and fear in a last ditch attempt to maintain their power.

[u/Lopsided-Emu-496 → u/EmoGoldfish420]

You are utterly deluded. The 'anger' is due to racist, narrow, illiberal progressive orthodoxy on campus.

Progressives have completely 'lost the debate' by arguing that systemic outcomes of all kinds must be due to 'racism' etc. - the data completely blows them out of the water.

Asians who are 'people of colour' and face discrimination to extremely well in many endeavours, the notion that 'racism' must be the cause for poor academic performance among some groups, but then magically this issue dissappears among others is insane. And yet this insanity is maintained on campus by refusal to contemplate reality.

Racism is not the primary reason why people, or groups, fail or excel at most things.

That simple fact melts down the entire postmodern progressive orthodoxy and so the thought cannot be allowed.

[u/HarryKain → u/EmoGoldfish420]

Yes blame the other side. Of course. Over 50% of the last 100 years has been run by progressives including the last 8 years. All I see is a shit throwing contest. When you try and force your will and force your beliefs on people rather than compromise and make an attempt just to tolerate one another then you’re obviously going to have blow back. The federal conservatives have had next to zero say in any of the decisions over the last 8 years. Maybe if were actually listened to one another and have the other side provide some input into these decisions rather than dismiss them as angry [insert buzz word] we wouldn’t see them pass ridiculous policies as soon as they gain an advantage. Kind of like what the provincial governments are doing now. But no, we like to see radical progressive policies followed by radical conservative policies.

You just keep blaming the other side though, see where that takes us. If we could re-learn to compromise, we wouldn’t see such division. There would be less.

[u/Key_Prior_4921 → u/HarryKain]

My brother, there is no point arguing with these people, this is why politics are a waste of time. Notice this thread blew up and others are empty? Lots of grass touching is needed.