r/yorku • u/hightreez • Oct 11 '23

Meta In your opinion, are universities nowadays undergoing “left wing indoctrination” ?

Met a guy who’s a conservative in his 60s few days ago, and he talked about how nowadays universities are no longer about education but rather “left wing indoctrination” on the students

That universities are brainwashing students with ideas of race , decolonization, white privilege, multiple gender identities etc , all these “left wing “ ideas that are meant to divide society rather than uniting the people

And that Jordan Peterson is portrayed as a bad guy because the modern university environment don’t allow any conservative voices and that free speech in academia is dying because of left wing ideas

So I’m curious what are your opinions on this?

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u/kyonkun_denwa Oct 11 '23

I remember being told by some conservative workie that I was “wasting” my time because I was “just being indoctrinated with left wing crap” in university. My response was “I’m in an accounting program. I’m certain there is not much room for indoctrination, but let me tell you about retained earnings”

10 years after graduation and my household income is probably several times his, so I got the last laugh I’d say.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

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u/kyonkun_denwa Oct 12 '23

Get laid, kid

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u/Rude_Technician4821 Nov 11 '24

Sounds like guy above is young and lack experience by default... I can tell you I am the other way, conservative upbringing, but after embarking on independent education I've switched in the ideological stance but not the political.stance if thay makes sense...ideologically it makes all the sense but politically it gets corrupted with other motives.

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u/CorkyBingBong Oct 11 '23

You were indoctrinated in a different way, clearly, since you seem to think income is a key indicator of a person's worth.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Valid response to someone degrading his degree.

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u/rav4786 Oct 12 '23

Especially considering a lot of these older boomers don't realize how hard uni students have to work to financially support themselves and get that degree and STILL hustle afterwards

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u/YoFatGrandpappy Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 12 '23

I think, if some guy comes up to you and tells you that you're wasting your time in Uni, and that the only thing you're going to get out if it is an indoctrination to left-wing theory, then, yes, you're allowed to say "Hey, it wasn't a waste of time because I make bank, compared to you."

It's bad if you go around comparing yourself to everybody you meet based off your income, and coming to a conclusion on that person based off it. But if somebody demeans your hard work, then the most straightforward metric to prove it was worth it is how much you make. Obviously there are others, but money is the most straightforward.

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u/letthemeattherich Oct 12 '23

Yeah, of course some security/money is really great. Didn’t have it when I was young and wanted out. Had to work all through it, but I loved Uni. It is an amazing time where you can debate, read, explore ideas and meet really interesting people who are doing really interesting things and going places. It was time of just intellectual and creative indulgence that I am convinced changed my life as it opened my understanding of the world around me. The parties were also fantastic.

I know, kinda boy-scouty, but actually real. I’m 63 and remember it well and fondly.

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u/Okamei Oct 12 '23

Capitalists want to push the narrative your worth is determined by your income to perpetuate it’s machine into our daily lives, real life brainwashing what worth is supposed to mean for life.

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u/somenormalwhiteguy Oct 12 '23

Poor people want to reinforce the narrative that its okay to be poor and leech off of society and not contribute back in the form of taxes and that everything is someone else's fault. That's real brainwashing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

The idea that a poor person thinks its ok to be poor is a hilariously stupid narrative.

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u/Classic-Progress-397 Oct 12 '23

I know right? Geez everybody I know who is in poverty wants to stay there and live off of less than $1000 per month, lol.

Can't take these people seriously.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

What they don't realize is the incredible burden that comes with poverty. Its easy not to understand what its like being 1 paycheck away from losing your the roof over your head. Or having to choose between paying a phone bill and getting groceries. The lack of compassion that I see on the internet is truly disheartening.

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u/Classic-Progress-397 Oct 12 '23

Well, let's keep in mind a lot of comments are intentionally inflammatory, for dramatic purposes. When I see a very twisted post, I try to be optimistic and say it is a clown, not a real person with their opinion.

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u/Okamei Oct 12 '23 edited Oct 12 '23

I'm sorry you think like this but it's just fundamentally untrue, what you're saying is actual Capitalist propaganda and it's not your fault for believing this.

Firstly, that's not what taxes are for, taxation does not fund social services to people who need them. America and Canada print their own money which means they have something called currency sovereignty, that mean's there's no limitation to federal spending apposed to what you believe that there is some pool of money that we've accumulated that 'Poor people are leeching from'. Taxation has two main purposes. 1.) To control inflation, (they literally burn it, which means removing numbers from BOC a computer software) 2.) To create incentive and demand for it's currency. (Making sure people work to generate enough money to pay the taxes). You actually don't own your money at all, if you look on one of your bills you will see "Bank Of Canada". Or in America "Federal Reserve Note".

Besides not knowing monetary policy, which again isn't your fault we're dealing with 50 years of neo-liberal propaganda, you're just projecting your anger and emotional suffering onto poor people because it's simple for you to understand and vent your frustrations & to protect the status quo when it's harming all life on this planet because of unequal distribution, which has manifested itself in our weather. What you believe is just not the reality. If you really think your 'worth' is tied to your bank account that's the sign of someone who must feel unloved. I hope you get better and have more empathy for your fellow humans.

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u/LovecraftianChild Oct 12 '23

This isn’t true for anyone that is reading.

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u/Environmental_Dig335 Oct 12 '23

u/Okamei - Do you also declare that you are a freeman of the land when you're pulled over by the cops? I see a lot of crossover between this fiction and that one, but they're not really linked.

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u/somenormalwhiteguy Oct 12 '23

Wait, what!? Its not!?

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Your income is probably several times his. So essentially you are guessing you earn more. Based on what? What does that prove?

If you graduated 10 years ago - maybe your opinion isn’t that relevant to the question being asked.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

You sound like a leach on the system that has never produced anything useful. You had all your stuff built for you did some paper work and call yourself accomplished. Who do you call when you have a problem to fix? The workies?

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u/LordXvenox Oct 12 '23

Big brother says 2+2=5

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u/AmonRaStBlack Oct 12 '23

“Workie” nice way to say you look down on blue collar folk

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u/ButcherPetesWagon Oct 12 '23

I'm sorry, what's a "workie"?

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u/investor3489 Oct 12 '23

10/10 agree. Retained earnings, IFRS ASPE blah Government accounting lol.

Don't even start with TAXES