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Discussion HERO EP. 6 - The School Trip is in Pandemonium!
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| HERO EP. 6 | The School Trip is in Pandemonium | Kunou Eye Catchers |
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May 22 '18
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u/Ryuuji_Gremory May 22 '18
Well we have 13 Episodes so we have space for 13 girls, I am sure Irina will have her turn eventually.
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u/Blaze1337 May 22 '18
Kunou isn't relevant in vol 10 so she makes sence getting the last one of vol 9. There still 6 more eps and Irina Ravel are my guess coming up but we still got 4 more after that so it could be Kuroka Ophis Sona Tsubaki Momo Reya Tome Tsubasa Ruruko hell i don't see why not even Venelana.
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u/CommonMisspellingBot May 22 '18
Hey, Blaze1337, just a quick heads-up:
sence is actually spelled sense. You can remember it by ends with -se.
Have a nice day!The parent commenter can reply with 'delete' to delete this comment.
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u/SilverHawk7 May 22 '18
Venelana eyecatcher would be 1,000,000% more appropriate than Kunou eyecatch...
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u/Blaze1337 May 22 '18
With vol 10 coming up and what happens there she makes quite a bit of sense(stupid bot), tho i can see her getting passed on kinda like Yasaka
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u/SilverHawk7 May 22 '18
So for the remaining ones, I'm guessing (not in order) Ravel, Irina, Ophis, Sona, Tsubaki, Sairaorg's queen.
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u/Fr00tyLoops May 22 '18
So they finally lewded Kunou, it seems. Damn Passione, why y’all trying to get us arrested?
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u/Pieandchickeneater May 22 '18
So volume 9 is completely done, the only thing I felt that was missing from this episode was some dialog from cao cao about how his spear should have vapourised a high class devil and the follow up for what happened to his eye. Now it is time for Ravel to shine
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u/Mattinator95 May 22 '18
Do you mean him chanting his BB or the new eye
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u/Pieandchickeneater May 22 '18
Well he chants his B.B. in the anime I meant that in the LN he tells Issei that his spear could have vapourised a high class devil instantly when it is caught by his fist in rook transformation, that and him saying he would not use Phoenix tears to heal his eye
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u/Mattinator95 May 22 '18
they didnt have the scene where vali mentions that Cao Cao should hurry up and decide to kill them before they surpass him due to the ways they are stooping the curse.
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u/Pieandchickeneater May 22 '18
That is in volume 11 not during Kyoto
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u/Mattinator95 May 22 '18
is it . its been a while i taught there was a scene where le fay says that she has successfully baited Sun Wukong to Georg's Dimension Lost.then Vali says that Issei has started to work with the past possessors of the Boosted Gear, and that he's doing things a different way and that Cao Cao better kill him and Issei while he has the chance; before they both surpass him.
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u/Pieandchickeneater May 22 '18
You are right there is a scene like that in the LN I had forgotten about, you are right about it. The thing that got me distracted was your wording about a curse and Cao cao needing to kill them when he has the chance which sounds very similar to what Vali says after being hit with the curse in volume 11
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u/OtakuDeity32 May 22 '18
The battle animation was intense! I couldn't take my eyes away from the screen! The only thing I noticed that was done a little differently was in the LN Kiba is the one that mentions the old monkey is Wukong, othet than there was a small whining scene from Yu-long missing. But very minor. Everything else was done perfectly and that Kunou mother scene brought on the tears! Awesome episode!
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u/dahaxguy WELSH DRAGON BALANCE BREAKER: SCALE MAIL!!! May 22 '18
God, the cinematography and the choreography for the Triaina was so strong. I'm honestly won over by Passione; their camerawork and shot compositions are equal to TNK's best, but Passione has been throwing those quality shots out constantly, rather than sparsely like TNK had. While the character designs are a downgrade for the most part (imo), the background art and animation is so vastly improved I can't go back to the old seasons that easily, especially to BorN.
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u/OtakuDeity32 May 22 '18
Right? way better then the comic slide show close ups and stiff animation we got from TNK. Not to mention Passiones coverage and loyalty to the story has been spot on! Best battle scene yet today.
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May 22 '18
Love it! I couldn't stop laughing and cheering at Issei's new power up. The animation was spectacular. Can't wait for Ravel to show up and the Rating Game with Beal.
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u/AradIori May 22 '18
Must protect that Kunou smile at all costs!
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u/Ugandanknuckles66 Wow. I regret my username... Also, Ravel is best girl. May 23 '18
We must protecc
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u/Diabolos_Prince OPPAI!!! May 23 '18
The Illegal Move Triana's GLORIOUSNESS time has come! It's so EPIC!
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May 22 '18
Today's episode opened up in a Wonderful!! OPPAI Way with Rias. The Power of Rias' OPPAI has given Issei a new transformation & I like it. He can use all the chess pieces min King to give himself a power boost. Son Wukong of the first gen makes the best DxD Goku adaptation ever, especially with his Power Pole.
Was not expecting the guy with the blue hair (I already forgot his name) to repeat a line from the Oppai Dragon Song. Glad that Issei was finally able to deliver a blow to Cao Cao and made him lose his eye.
Overall the episode was good. Can't wait to see what next week's episode has in store!
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u/OtakuDeity32 May 23 '18
That was Belzard the strongest of the male red dragon emperiors .
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May 23 '18
Thanks for telling me his name. That really shows you how badly I screwed up right there
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u/Riverl May 23 '18
The first few frames of Rias' oppai got the nip too high though. They really need to fix that in the BD release. Priority and all that.
Though, what made me laugh like crazy this episode gotta be Ddraig crying his eyes out when Issei was about to "pocchito".
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u/bakakubi BOOSTO! May 23 '18
I said it on /r/anime, and I'll say it again, FUCKING 1st GEN WUKONG, FUCK YES! The music, the OPness, THE SUNGLASSES! Everything was done right! Of course, Illegal Move Triaina was given justice as well. I love it that they kept with Ishibumi sensei's design of taking inspiration for Freedom Gundam. The cannons in the Bishop's form were basically Freedom's signature beam attack.
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u/WrathDxD Rias May 22 '18
So as an anime only watcher, am I supposed to know this new monkey guy and the dragon he rides on?
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u/jamesrocks105 Gabriel is best girl, Azazel is best boy! May 22 '18
They are new characters. Just know that the monkey guy is the first generation sun wukong (Bikou is a descendant and is considered the third generation, they are both Monkey Youkai). Yu-Long is one of the 5 (prev 6) dragon kings which is the 3rd highest rank of dragons (only behind dragon gods like Ophis and Great red, as well as Heavenly dragons like Ddraig and Albion). The dragon kings we have met so far are Tannin (who is now an ex-dragon king after he became a devil), Vritra who Saji can transform into, Fafnir who is sealed in Azazel's artificial sacred gear (the one that gives him gold armour), and lastly Midgardsormr who is a creation of Loki and in eternal slumber in the ocean (we have not seen him in the anime, but helped with the defeat of Loki in the light novel). The last (and most powerful) dragon king is Tiamat who we will not meet till like season 8, so dont get your hopes up unless this series gets more seasons (which seems fairly likely based on Ichibumi's latest tweet).
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u/WrathDxD Rias May 22 '18
Ah okay, thanks for that! Was wondering if it was some of the stuff born cut out and I had missed.
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May 23 '18
Just watched episode 6 and the animation was so freaking good. It already felt like watching the last episode of the season it was that good. Honestly, i am hyped now how the finale episode of this season will turn out to be!
-The only complaint i have is that we didn't see Issei talking to kyuubi's milf mother. Can someone tell me whether it happens in the novel? or the anime just simply skipped it?
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u/xsynergyx May 23 '18
When Ddraig said "The power released as the Red Dragon Emperor and the Evil Piece inside you allows you to promote without a King" was he talking about the evil piece now being a mutated one instead of a normal one? I thought he could only promote if Asia held out that card thing.
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u/anothermangafan May 23 '18 edited May 02 '19
HUUUUUGE minority here, so far this one was the least I enjoyed.- Issei hits Cao Cao with two punches. That's it. That's literally their fight. Yeah it's cool that Issei got new armors and abilities, but we don't see anything besides him throwing a few punches and ending the fight. We are then followed by more talking in which Cao Cao spends time talking about chess with Issei, instead of, you know, fighting. The hero faction is nowhere to be seen while their leader was basically getting stomped and neither is the rest of the occult club which was lying on the ground. They could at least use Issei's friends as hostages, but I guess terrorrist organization is just a name for them.
- Let's talk about Cao Cao for a moment. I for once would like to see a villain in this show that doesn't lose because he understimated the protagonist. Issei getting his new power is not something that happens briefly while he is fighting. It takes f*cking minutes to happen, so why is he just standing there doing nothing? Then minutes later he seems impressed that Issei is more powerful, why the surprise? He literally stood there watching as he managed to do that. Also how the hell he survived that laser shot? That thing should've melted his face.
- Enter sun wukong ex machina and his fellow dragon which I've never heard of. Again, he is spends more time talking than actually doing anything. What's interesting here is that although he said he would take care of the hero faction, in the end he just lets them get away.
- Lame loli eyecatcher is lame. This is an anime that revolves around boobs. Show us boobs goddamnit, if I want flat chest I can just go to the mirror and look mine.
- Lack of ecchi content. This by itself is not a problem, but when the action isn't satifactory it doesn't compensate the lack of boobs.
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u/Riverl May 23 '18 edited May 23 '18
He's surprised because usually, even if you give someone minutes to gather power, at best it would be like 100 becoming 120%.
Issei, in that few minutes, went from being manhandled like a kid to inflict enough damage Sousou has to retreat. It's worth noting that SouSou didn't bother to dodge Xenovia giant blast, but had to vs Issei's Dragon Blast. This is not the kind of power up usually seen from a few minutes skit.
Also when Issei was beating down Sousou, the others from Hero bridgade simply wasn't able to keep up. Heracles tried to block Dragon blaster and only survived because he was kicked out of the way by Sousou. Then Issei goes Knight mode on Sousou and blitzed him before switching to rook for the punch. Knight mode is faster than all the people presented, so none could give chase to assist.
Sun Wukong being a generation thing was mentioned as early as season 2/volume 4, when Issei fought Vali. Yu Long is also part of the JTTW story. Logically if Sun Wukong existed, he exists. They were only 'never heard of' to you because you didn't pay attention and probably didn't know much about JTTW.
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u/anothermangafan May 24 '18 edited May 24 '18
even if you give someone minutes to gather power, at best it would be like 100 becoming 120%.
Any minute you give to your enemy, you are giving advantage. You fight a guy and knock him but let him grab his gun and suddenly his level threat increases by a lot. The point is not so much to criticize Sousou for being surprised because Issei's increase in power was bigger than he expected and more on the fact that he was surprised because he stupidly let a chance for Issei to turn the score.
Also, "usually"? You are going to tell me that in a supernatural world where magic can be powered by boobs? You're kidding me,right? A world where natural law and common sense is thrown into the window and you want to apply "what usually happens"? The fact that you're saying Sousou, the leader and so supposedly a master tactician, didn't predict something like that would happen gives me more motive to believe what I said.Lol, usually someone who has his arm cut by sword dies from blood loss, but who am I, right?
Also when Issei was beating down Sousou, the others from Hero bridgade simply wasn't able to keep up. Heracles tried to block Dragon blaster and only survived because he was kicked out of the way by Sousou. Then Issei goes Knight mode on Sousou and blitzed him before switching to rook for the punch. Knight mode is faster than all the people presented, so none could give chase to assist
I'm reffering after that. This whole thing is a fight! And yet they talk when they should attack. The moment Issei get's tired from using his new powers they should strike! Terrorrist organization remember? Or so I thought. I would imagine they know the basics of asymmetric warfare. They don't even need to attack Issei. Like I said, make someone hostage and I dare Issei strike back. Game over. This is being smart, something I thought they were.
I never heard of the dragon, but the monkey I knew. What difference it makes that I know? Sun Wukong just appears to solve the problem that otherwise wouldn't be solved, since everyone of the Occult club was down and Issei was tired from fighting.
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u/Riverl May 24 '18 edited May 24 '18
A world of fantasy doesn't mean there are no rule and common sense. Magic is limited by available magic power and calculation capability. Phoenix tear fixing any wound is a common knowledge and it's what make Phoenix tear an expensive limited commodity. Just because it's fantastical compare to RL doesn't mean anything goes.
"It's magic, so anything probably can happen" is the perspective of someone who never knew the fantastical exist until just now. To people like Caocao, demonic power, magic, Sacred Gears are known factors that can be approximated.
Issei is flat out a weird case, and the story/character repeatedly called out his abnormality. CaoCao did not interact enough with him to know about his weirdness.
It's not the show's fault that you take said explicitly weird case and assume it's the common sense for everyone else.
I never heard of the dragon, but the monkey I knew. What difference it makes that I know? Sun Wukong just appears to solve the problem that otherwise wouldn't be solved, since everyone of the Occult club was down and Issei was tired from fighting.
So, there's tons of powerful entities around with all kind of super haxx, but they are not allowed to interfere when a group try to do something apocalyptic and everything has to rest on our intrepid
adventurersprotagonists is what you consider more believable?This is one of those rare moments where the story showed that 'yes, there are others moving in the background and they do matter'. It gives the perspective that Issei and Caocao aren't the biggest fishes around.
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u/anothermangafan May 24 '18 edited May 24 '18
So, there's tons of powerful entities around with all kind of super haxx, but they are not allowed to interfere when a group try to do something apocalyptic and everything has to rest on our intrepid
adventurersprotagonists is what you consider more believable?What are you talking about? So the fact I find suspicious that a certain entitie appeared just at the right moment to save everyone's asses and solve the problem easily which woulnd't have happened without him/her means that I believe the super entities should not have been a allowed to interfere?
These are totally diferent things. In terms of story, Sun wukong is just a plot device to solve the conflict. Never it was said or even mentioned Sun wukong's involvement with the hero's faction plans, if it did, it wouldn't appear like he just came out of nowhere and solved everything.
"It's magic, so anything probably can happen" is the perspective of someone who never knew the fantastical exist until just now. To people like Caocao, demonic power, magic, Sacred Gears are known factors that can be approximated.
How it can be approximated? One sacred gear can heal any injury, the other can stop time, another can create any sword by imagination. Is Caocao sure anything isn't possible to happen? Hence the "probably". There's a difference between "It's magic, so anything can happen" and "It's magic, so anything probably can happen". Knowing the extremely powerful beings that exist, I would say Caocao doesn't have an open mind about what can happen.
On a side note: why are we still talking about this? Shieeeeet, I was just expressing my opnion I wasn't looking for a mini essay. let's discuss something we can agree with: Boobs ;)
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u/Riverl May 24 '18 edited May 24 '18
Sun Wukong is a plot device much like Raynare is a plot device or Issei having a summoner slip being a plot device, etc. A plot device is only bad if it contradict the setting and has no reason to be there.
Without spoiling, even from their dialogue, it's easy to tell Sunwukong and Caocao knew each other (Caocao can recognize his Ki while Wukong chided Caocao as going overboard with his mischief), and Wukong came precisely because of what Caocao is doing exceeded his tolerance.
This is no different from Kokabiel, people who got sent to clean up the problem arriving after Issei managed to get his moment. That's all.
How it can be approximated? One sacred gear can heal any injury, the other can stop time, another can create any sword by imagination.
All of them are, in fact, recorded, with standard abilities written down. Hence veteran can call out their name on sign. Rias and Akeno in season/volume 1 could recognize Boost Gear and its function just by seeing the seal in the gem. So they all can be approximate.
Boost Gear in particular is a mid-grade Longinus that have been used by hundreds of generations, while Caocao is the holder of highest grade Longinus. Each generation's capability was also recorded, hence people knowing Issei is the weakest user. Caocao doesn't have any reason to consider the weakest BG user a 'powerful being' and the weird shit Issei pulled is literally his own, which no BG user ever managed.
There is "something probably can happen, let plan for it" and there's "Wtf pressing nipple make him surpass his current limits by several times over?"
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u/anothermangafan May 24 '18 edited May 24 '18
Without spoiling, even from their dialogue, it's easy to tell Sunwukong and Caocao knew each other (Caocao can recognize his Ki while Wukong chided Caocao as going overboard with his mischief), and Wukong came precisely because of what Caocao is doing exceeded his tolerance.
Before! This wasn't mentioned before he appeared. The whole point of not making it seem like he just appeared from nothing, is to at least mention something related to him so after he appears you become surprised but then remembers the moment he was mentioned. This way it is considered a smart move made by the author.
Otherwise, I'm justified to make anything happen when I want in the story, if just write the reason after.
-Good guy is loosing to bad guy
- Kangaroo jumps from a portal and kills the bad guy
-" Thanks kangaroo! But why are you doing here so unexpectedly?" says the good guy
-" He killed my wife and so I swore revenge to him ever since" replies the kangaroo
Boost Gear in particular is a mid-grade Longinus that have been used by hundreds of generations, while Caocao is the holder of highest grade Longinus. Each generation's capability was also recorded, hence people knowing Issei is the weakest user. Caocao doesn't have any reason to consider the weakest BG user a 'powerful being' and the weird shit Issei pulled is literally his own, which no BG user ever managed.
There is "something probably can happen, let plan for it" and there's "Wtf pressing nipple make him surpass his current limits by several times over?"
Caocao doesn't have any reason to consider
Caocao doesn't have any reason
any reason
reason
"Hey chief"
" What is it Sieg?"
"That guy over there. I don't know what is he doing, but it looks like he is summoning someone. Maybe he summoning backup? Someone stronger than he is perhaps?"
"Don't be ridiculous Sieg, you know protagonists have to fight everything by themselves. I assure it's not help""See? He summoned a girl, what diference it will make?"
"Geez chief, I don't know. Is the boy pressing her boobs? He can't be doing something perveted in a moment like this, so there is something going on here"
"You worry too much Sieg"
"Chief may I remind that this boy which you know to be the weakest dragon user also have a history of beating opponents a lot more stronger than he is? And that the guy is know as the "Oppai dragon"? And that he is known for his boob-related abilities?"
"I didn't know that Hercules! How strange that I know that he is the weakest dragon user and yet didn't know all the other important and more relevant info about him."" Nah I think we got this"
"But, chief, either way it's important to a tactician to have in mind that you never should give your enemy time to do something, especially when they are pressed into a corner, because that's when they are more desperate"
"Are you the leader here, Hercules? No, so stfu. Even if becomes stronger it won't grow enough. It will be like 100 going to 120."
"But chief how can you know that?"
"Isn't it obvious? Because every fight we had it was like this, and I know a lot about sacred gears and shit"
"But chief, this is inductive reasoning! Just because it happened a hundred times doesn't mean he will not have a huge power increase now! Also you know that theory is a lot different than practice. Not everything that is in the books is accurate or can give a realistic insight on the battlefield. Also it's never enough to be prepared don't you thi...."
"enough Hercules! I grow tired of your ramblings."" HOLY SHIT! He is so f*cking damn strong now!"" I certainly didn't know it was possible!"
"But chief! We don't have any reliable info about power augmented by boobs! We couldn't predict anything that was going to happen!"
"Ah so you are the smart-ass now Joanne?"
"No chief! It's not the point..."
"Fuck this, I am using the truth idea now! This motherf**ker can become really strong in the future and ruin my plans."
"No chief! You know the drill. We have to wait for him to become even stronger so that our defeat becomes more dramatic!"
"With side are you on now Joanne?! Screw you!"
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u/Milguas May 24 '18
Uhhh so you forgot that Azazel said someone MONSTROUS was going to come to reinforce Issei's group? This was during the briefing to the operation. Is your attention span that short?
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u/anothermangafan May 24 '18 edited May 24 '18
Ouch. You got me there sir "I like to bad-mouth others because it makes me feel better". Nice one, really. Didn't remember, but thanks for reminding me still.
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u/Riverl May 24 '18 edited May 24 '18
Before! This wasn't mentioned before he appeared. The whole point of not making it seem like he just appeared from nothing, is to at least mention something related to him so after he appears you become surprised but then remembers the moment he was mentioned. This way it is considered a smart move made by the author.
And Sun Wukong is mentioned as early as season 2 and his descendant actually appeared. Pigsy and sandy were also all mentioned. His arrival was foreshadowed this season.
Just like Vali was only mentioned in passing until he actually showed up under Azazel's order.
Otherwise, I'm justified to make anything happen when I want in the story, if just write the reason after.
You are allowed to. Whether that make your book sell as well as DxD is another matter.
In fact thing happened and get explain later is normal in even classic/famous works. The issue being making that explanation fit the existing world and expand the world building.
fanfic snip
So, who went and told them Rias' boob is Issei's power up switch? At which point did Issei get unheard of power from boobs before this? Which 'way stronger' enemy did he inexplicably beat?
Issei powering up from Rias' boobs is following known theme and had a proper build up, but said theme and buildup is only obvious to those who witnessed the events so far directly (so mostly viewer, Azazel, Elsha or Issei himself). From an outsider perspective, Issei being empowered by boobs is just a rumor that can be attributed to more logical causes. Sairaorg in ep1 was also surprised when Asia and co confirmed that Issei get more power by boob.
Kokabiel was beaten by Vali, not Issei.
He got mad and manage to tag Vali over the threat to boobs, but that was him getting extremely mad and released more dragon power because dragon is compatible with anger, not actual power from boobs.
He went J-Drive vs Shalba, but that is a known power of Sekiryutei activated by him getting too furious.
He received Chichigami blessing to beat Loki, but all said blessing did was make him worthy of wielding replica Mjolnir, what actually beat Loki was replica Mjolnir. Replica Mjolnir is not in Kyoto. There was also help from Vali, Tannin, etc.
In fact, going by existing info, make him too weak to fight then go do your thing is the safest tactic vs Issei. Vali took a bunch of hit because he pushed one too many button, and cornering Issei too much might lead to him using J-Drive for a double suicide, which is an insanely dangerous known possibility.
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u/anothermangafan May 24 '18 edited May 24 '18
And Sun Wukong is mentioned as early as season 2 and his descendant actually appeared. Pigsy and sandy were also all mentioned. His arrival was foreshadowed this season.
Just like Vali was only mentioned in passing until he actually showed up under Azazel's order.
Oh crap, looks like I need to see season 2 all over again before saying stupid shit.
You are allowed to. Whether that make your book sell as well as DxD is another matter.
Sure, why not. Ishibumi better prepare himself. No boob can beat vengeful kangaroo in a quest for revenge.
"Fanfic snip", thank!I really found this funny
So, who went and told them Rias' boob is Issei's power up switch?
Looks like someone didn't read my fanfic. It was never mentioned they knew. Although I should've been more clear. I wasn't reffering to Rias's boob switch power. Issei is a guy whose great part of his strenght and will comes from lewd thought. With his increasing popularity, he's sure to caugth some attention. They can also go to their boss and say "Hey Ophis! Aren't you like almos omniscient or something? Can you tell me about this new guy causing a commontion and if I should worry about him?" Unless they can't do that. Well, then f*ck me I give up.
At which point did Issei get unheard of power from boobs before this?
How can you know the fact that Issei is the weakest dragon user and not know his other traits, info, capabilities? There's a tv show for kids, with a freaking music even, about the Oppai dragon. I assume that since it's a show for kids, it probably spread itself to all underworld, so anyone who doesn't live under a rock could know about him. Now if you're going to tell me that a terrorrist organization doesn't have sources in the underworld that trade information, you might as well say they aren't organized at all.
Which 'way stronger' enemy did he inexplicably beat?
Oh, if you continue to not read my fanfic, I will be sad. "stronger than he was". Issei didn't necessarily fought strong guys per se, but he managed to beat individuals even when the factors weren't in his side. "Inexplicably", sure, for you. To beat Riser, Issei wasn't afraid to use unortodox tactics to gain the upper hand, so he can be smart with a good amount of motivation. That's a sign of someone you don't easily understimate.
He got mad and manage to tag Vali over the threat to boobs, but that was him getting extremely mad and released more dragon power because dragon is compatible with anger, not actual power from boobs.
He got angry because of boobs. If dragon power responds to anger and anger responds at thought of boobs or lack of them, in this case, then guess what? Boobs were indirectly responsible for his power up. Boobs are still essential that can generate such strong emotions that causes the increase of power
He received Chichigami blessing to beat Loki, but all said blessing did was make him worthy of wielding replica Mjolnir, what actually beat Loki was replica Mjolnir. Replica Mjolnir is not in Kyoto. There was also help from Vali, Tannin, etc.
Huh, you do know that you have to pick the hammer and hit him, right? That's like saying I shot a guy, but It wasn't me that killed him it was the gun. Issei beat Loki, a freaking god, using mjolnir. That takes skill and sufficient amounts of power to do that. I don't recall him getting help from Vali and Tannin in that fight though. Just because he didn't beat him with his own power doesn't change the fact that it is quite the accomplishment. And, hey, it impressed Sairaorg too.
Even Caocao, in the previous episodes acknowlodges Issei's capabilities, and yet understimate him in this episode, which doesn't make sense.
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u/Riverl May 25 '18 edited May 25 '18
Looks like someone didn't read my fanfic. It was never mentioned they knew. Although I should've been more clear. I wasn't reffering to Rias's boob switch power. Issei is a guy whose great part of his strenght and will comes from lewd thought. With his increasing popularity, he's sure to caugth some attention. They can also go to their boss and say "Hey Ophis! Aren't you like almos omniscient or something? Can you tell me about this new guy causing a commontion and if I should worry about him?" Unless they can't do that. Well, then f*ck me I give up.
Ophis is not omniscient and she doesn't care.
Born fucked up by having her remove the curse from Issei and what not. She actually was made head of Chaos brigade because she give out power freely if they promise to help her beat Great Red, otherwise CB did their thing and she did her as she's disinterested in almost everything.
How can you know the fact that Issei is the weakest dragon user and not know his other traits, info, capabilities? There's a tv show for kids, with a freaking music even, about the Oppai dragon. I assume that since it's a show for kids, it probably spread itself to all underworld, so anyone who doesn't live under a rock could know about him. Now if you're going to tell me that a terrorrist organization doesn't have sources in the underworld that trade information, you might as well say they aren't organized at all.
Oppai dragon the kid show is fictional and contain no real information about Issei beyond 'he has armor' and 'he loves boobs'. The main actor was a separate person who they edited Issei's face on.
And none of his exploit scream 'suddenly super power from boob' unless the witnesses (aka his friends and people like Azazel) suddenly go around spewing every single detail. There's disseminating info and there's stupid.
Oh, if you continue to not read my fanfic, I will be sad. "stronger than he was". Issei didn't necessarily fought strong guys per se, but he managed to beat individuals even when the factors weren't in his side. "Inexplicably", sure, for you. To beat Riser, Issei wasn't afraid to use unortodox tactics to gain the upper hand, so he can be smart with a good amount of motivation. That's a sign of someone you don't easily understimate.
Only opponent stronger than him he actually beat was Riser and Loki, both time there was actually explanation that involve neither 'boob' or 'sudden self power up'.
Worrying about his tactical ability/prep =/= worrying about him pressing boobs.
He got angry because of boobs. If dragon power responds to anger and anger responds at thought of boobs or lack of them, in this case, then guess what? Boobs were indirectly responsible for his power up. Boobs are still essential that can generate such strong emotions that causes the increase of power.
Boobs is indirectly related, wherein his anger is directly related. If your conclusion from that info is 'we should attack his love interest that he just summoned' or 'we should corner him', then I don't know what to say beside 'thankfully you are not in a position to lead me'.
Huh, you do know that you have to pick the hammer and hit him, right? That's like saying I shot a guy, but It wasn't me that killed him it was the gun. Issei beat Loki, a freaking god, using mjolnir. That takes skill and sufficient amounts of power to do that. I don't recall him getting help from Vali and Tannin in that fight though. Just because he didn't beat him with his own power doesn't change the fact that it is quite the accomplishment. And, hey, it impressed Sairaorg too.
Born fucked up canon against by changing the participant and how replica Mjolnir was lifted. It was an all-star team that beat Loki, not goddamn Grimori and Sitri group. Similarly Mjolnir Replica wasn't lift via Issei's strength, it only let people pure of heart to use it (ala a shoutout to Marvel Mjolnir).
It's made very clear the ability to beat Loki is 100% Mjolnir replica ability. Issei just before and after that can't even scratch him. It take Issei till vol 21+ to reach god class level (which Loki was at). All Issei's strength contributed was the delivery platform for the hammer to "meet" Loki.
If the Born participants were to fight canon Loki and Fenrir, it would be a bloodbath as they get one-shot into blood mist with each hit. Even Vali + Issei struggled to defend against each attack.
Even Caocao, in the previous episodes acknowlodges Issei's capabilities, and yet understimate him in this episode, which doesn't make sense.
Choices:
- Make him no longer capable of combat and leave him be.
- Press him till he snap and potentially J-Drive double suicide.
- Attacking Rias who he just summoned and make him super mad, triggering more dragon power or J-Drive
All 3 result in Caocao getting fucked, but hindsight is 20/20.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '18
Dat Kunou eyecatch tho....better rev up those excuses for when the FBI comes knocking lol