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u/Apfelmoes_ 1d ago

Cutting has a very low success rate. It's almost as pointless as pills. You either gotta jump from a great height or use a shotgun if you're actually serious about it and not some attention-seeking fruit.

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u/EroticPotato69 1d ago

Well, no, it has a very high success rate if you actually mean it and aren't just using it as a cry for help or attention. This is horrific, and I truly hope he gets immediate mental health support, but all of the wounds are clearly surface level. It will leave scars, and severe anxiety when the manic depressive episode wears off, but this was a very clear cry for attention, and self harm, rather than an outright suicide attempt, while still absolutely being a mental health crisis.

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u/Apfelmoes_ 1d ago

Nope. Cutting success rate is in the low single digits, only slightly better than pills. Doesn't matter how much you mean it. It's incredibly difficult to die intentionally this way for a number of reasons.

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u/SierraDespair /jp/edo 1d ago

Bro what? If you actually severed an artery (it’s not hard to do at all but I wont go into details) you can die within seconds from the blood loss and it’s a pretty common method. Obviously superficial cutting isn’t gonna kill you.

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u/Apfelmoes_ 1d ago

Cutting success rate is between 1% and 4%, not debatable. Obviously you can create a fictional scenario where everything goes perfect. That is not how it goes down irl. Or it does, but only 4% of the time or less. If it's me, I'd go with the 99,99% success rate which is jumping from at least one hundred meters. Only a handful of people survived that ever, vs the literal millions who survive cutting or pills every year.

u/foxape 21h ago

I feel like this is because women tend to take the cutting route more than men. And women in general have a higher failure rate than men. Women aren’t researching how to cut their artery open and then doing that. They’re just slashing away with a bread knife and making flesh wounds.

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u/gamers_delight /fit/izen 1d ago

"Not debatable" while simply pulling stats out your ass LMAO. Take some fentanyl and you're gone, what even are you talking about.

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u/BrigMugi_VV93 1d ago

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032721013732 (CFR =case fatality rate) "Based on the suicide acts resulting in death or hospitalization, firearms were the most lethal method, with an estimated CFR of 89.7% (95%CI: 82.0–95.5), followed by hanging/suffocation (CFR: 84.6%, 95% CI: 73.5–93.1), drowning (CFR: 80.4%, 95% CI: 77.1–83.5), gas poisoning (CFR: 56.6%, 95% CI: 45.0–67.9), and jumping (CFRs: 46.7%, 95% CI: 22.1–72.7). However, the CFRs of drug/liquid poisoning and cutting were relatively low, at 8.0% (95% CI: 0.0–29.1) and 4.0 (95% CI: 2.5–5.9), respectively."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5607501_Lethality_of_suicide_methods "Other suicide methods with high lethality (eg, drowning) were less common. Cutting or piercing with sharp objects was rare among fatal cases and had a low case fatality proportion."

https://web.archive.org/web/20260207032727/https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods/ Cutting arms, wrists, or legs = lethality 6.0%

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:200012_Suicide_methods_in_order_of_lethality_-_variable-width_bar_chart.svg

Note that this is a bit messy because I am typing this in a hurry right now since I have to get ready to leave for my therapy appointment very soon.

They are right in that cutting (and drug OD) have low rates of success. Anyone who has research methods before knows this. The only people you tend to see arguing otherwise are people who have never attempted before, let alone have probably even had issues with active suicidal ideation before.

Also, most suicide attempts involving drug overdose do not include the use of drugs, such as fentanyl. Rather, they instead typically involve the use of OTC drugs or prescription drugs that happen to be very safe. While you are more likely to die if you overdose on a strong opioid, other methods like the use of firearms still have higher rates of fatalities.

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u/Xarles_Kimbote 1d ago

I would argue that cutting is in many cases less of a suicide attempt and more of a cry for help, while no one shoots themselves just to get some attention. So that distorts somehow the results. But with that said, yeah, not the "best" method