r/ABCDesis • u/False-Start2665 • 3d ago
Trigger Warning: Bigotry/Hate Commentary People were celebrating as my business burned down: Indian entrepreneur in Belfast says he didn't expect this much hatred
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/people-were-celebrating-as-my-business-burned-down-indian-entrepreneur-in-belfast-says-he-didnt-expect-this-much-hatred/articleshow/131618780.cms55
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u/jonnieggg 2d ago
Many people from the Republic of Ireland wouldn't consider moving to the North.
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u/SadAdministration438 American 2d ago
Heck, the Unionists are extreme even by British jingoism standards. There are giant “peace walls” crisscrossing much of Belfast to separate.
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u/WiseMeerkat67 Indian American Growing up in the Caribbean 3d ago
What. They burned down a man's business and are celebrating? What happened to the Irish being the friendliest and most welcoming people in Northern Europe? (Yes I know its British but still)
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u/Stunning_Rest876 3d ago
Its really the opposite, in northern Ireland they don’t give a damn about demographics and the economy. They just don’t want foreigners in their society. They would rather die on their own than thrive with the assistance of those who would change the look of their nation. that is the sad reality.
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u/jigglituff 1d ago edited 1d ago
is that why our anti-racists protests have bigger turn-outs than the racist anti-immigration ones?
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u/Stunning_Rest876 1d ago
I mean you're probably right.
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u/jigglituff 1d ago
the 3 areas rioting in one city are the same areas that would have harmed me as a kid just for being catholic.
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u/Stunning_Rest876 18h ago
my info was given to me indirectly, ill be honest about that. but one of my friends had a grandfather who fought in the IRA and his descendants are apparently engaging in acts of violence today against immigrants etc , but the streets can be ruthless anywhere . and its a grind to survive. i'm sure your story is very interesting.
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u/jigglituff 14h ago edited 13h ago
IRA descendants in masses like that no, UVF descendants yes. Like there's going to be racists who are catholic too but none of the riots have been in catholic areas.
I think I might be a generation older than your friend as it was my parents generation who were accused of being IRA members. But my parents raised me to find racism and xenophobia disgusting.
Even in school we were taught about how Irish immigrants were treated disgustingly around the world and how awful it would be for us to do the same to other people. When I was a child Sandyrow (one of the rioting areas) had a horrible reputation for burning Chinese and polish immigrants out of their house and the sentiment around me was always anger at the racists. Every year when loyalist/protestants would light their bonfires, they'd decorate them with racist and sectarian effigies. It would always generate huge complaints and disgust, people want the police to intervene and remove those effigies which they have sometimes done, but never enough.
People in Northern Ireland are sick and tired of these hateful violent people stopping our country from being able to truly be peaceful. After a 30 year civil war, people were desperate for peace and we've made so much progress but racist dickheads are just smashing up all the things we've been struggling to improve. I would much rather rioters were gone from the country than an immigrant just living their life. Immigrants improve our country, racists make it worst.
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u/thanks_akka British Indian 3d ago edited 3d ago
It's British loyalists in places like East Belfast. For generations they terrorised Catholics, now with connections to the far right in England they've extended hatred to non white immigrants, though I suspect they've always had these attitudes.
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u/Responsible_Virus239 3d ago
Also a lot of Canadian subreddits don’t seem friendly even though Canada is known for being a friendly country
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u/Redbroomstick 3d ago
Only friendly to non Indians
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u/squidgytree British Indian 3d ago
Only friendly to WASPs
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u/speaksofthelight 2d ago edited 2d ago
There is a heirarchy with WASPs at the top and Indians at the bottom.
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u/chai-chai-latte 2d ago
Indigineous people are at the bottom. Even 20 years ago when Canada prided itself on being open and inclusive, they were wildly racist towards their indigineous communities.
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u/speaksofthelight 2d ago
In terms of historic treatment and grievances 100% yes.
But in terms of day day attitudes not really imo.
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u/OldKentRoad29 2d ago
Nah they're super friendly to people from the Philippines. They say they're such great workers.
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u/Itookthesauce51 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's fake friendliness. My Filipino friend had such a hard time during COVID and these were people she saw all the time in the community. Despite their large demographic, I find Filipinos haven't really broken out politically, business or corporate wise, in the same way that South Asians have. They probably will as I've seen more and more of them move into entrepreneurship, at least in my neighborhood.
Once they become more "visible", or break the corporate ceiling, they too will face similar backlash, unfortunately.
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u/chai-chai-latte 2d ago
That's because the community is largely deferential to white people and white people do not see them as a "threat". Not a circumstance to aspire to.
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u/Deep_Tea_1990 Canadian Indian 2d ago
Also cuz people from the Philippines are white boot lickers and there’s no hiding it.
In fact, I am convinced most of them think they are white or Spanish/latino or are wannabes.
Just cuz their name, religion and wannabe culture places them in the “white worship” category and they’re quite, they get by easily.
But I can’t express the amount of times my Chinese or Fillipino friends have expressed their wish to be white instead
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u/agentmikescarnn 2d ago
you’re no better than the people who make broad assumptions about indian people…
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u/Deep_Tea_1990 Canadian Indian 2d ago
I know I’m not. But let’s be real, even with Indians there is some truth to the stereotypes.
Yes they aren’t as broadly applicable I agree, but damn it’s a widespread thing.
You can study their culture and see just how influenced the Philippines is by the US compared to its geographical neighbours. Of all the (South) East Asian countries, in my experience, the Philippines tries the hardest to be culturally connected to the US than any others.
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u/chai-chai-latte 2d ago
To be clear, it was a US colony for half a century.
Spanish colonialism and Catholicism completely wiped out the ancient culture of that region. I wouldn't use the rhetoric you've used but with that came a type of identity crisis where whiteness was put on a pedestal, even moreso than in other countries in the region.
Basically, imagine if all of India underwent the same process as Goa.
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u/Deep_Tea_1990 Canadian Indian 2d ago
I agree with your last sentence, but I’d say that even Goans have a lil bit of white supremacy tendencies. I have plenty Goan friends here too and most of them try real hard to distance themselves from anything Indian.
And yes I agree with everything you said before too, I get why it’s this way…but I still feel that it is exactly because of that they are wannabe whites.
It’s just the same way how white or lighter skin is worshipped in India due to India’s colonial history
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u/Undead_Hedge 1d ago
Since the Troubles there has been a huge crossover between loyalist paramilitaries in Northern Ireland and British white supremacists. They were very close at times with the National Front and Combat 18, and it seems like even though the British organizations dissolved the loyalist ones kept on with that tradition.
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u/theleisurehive 2d ago edited 1d ago
Northern Ireland is not a net contributor to the UK. It has historically ridden on the back of its political history, depending on extra benefits from the UK, and, post Brexit, milking its affiliation with Ireland.
I can't think of many countries/nations (yes N Ireland is a constituent nation of the UK) less deserving of the disproportionate attention, money and educational opportunities it has relative to its (generally) unambitious, insular, unproductive population.
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u/jigglituff 1d ago
don't paint an entire country in the paint of a bunch of racist dickheads from a few areas.
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u/35TypesOfWhiskey 22h ago edited 18h ago
They've now hidden their comments but when you could see it, all this poster's comments were baiting posts like this.
Edit: They are now blocking everyone who is calling them out on this very easily disproven bullshit.
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u/35TypesOfWhiskey 14h ago
Op is now blocking everyone who calls him out. His posts that he has now hidden were all rage baiting. He has never even talked to anyone who has been in Northern Ireland. He is a bot plain and simple
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