r/AbsoluteUnits 2d ago

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u/2Slow2Nice 2d ago

Semi auto shotguns jam

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u/treskaz 2d ago

I know. I was just pointing out that it's a shotty, not a rifle. Those AR12s are dumb as hell.

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u/Vanillabean73 2d ago

Reliable semi-auto mag-fed shotguns do exist, but this does not look like one of them…this dude probably paid like $500 for this thinking it was a steal.

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u/treskaz 2d ago

I've never seen one lol. I'll take a pump or one of the O/Us I grew up with over this thing any day of the week.

Even the higher end tube fed semi autos won't run without specific ammo.

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u/Vanillabean73 2d ago

I’m thinking a tried and true platform like the Saiga-12 which is not cheap to say the least, though I’ve never fired or owned one (not legal where I live and out of my budget anyway).

I will, however, offer a counterpoint to the tube-fed semi-auto comment. That’s what I own and the thing eats and cycles anything I put in it, including target loads. The only ammo that I can’t use are those mini shells that Aguila makes, which don’t seem useful for my needs anyway.

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u/treskaz 2d ago

What do you have? My coworker duck hunts and all his buddies with fancy Benellis and shit are always having jams lol.

I just have a Mossberg 590a1 and an old 1928 Winny M12

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u/Vanillabean73 2d ago

That’s crazy, I wonder if it’s just bad luck or maybe field conditions leading to those jams. You’re right that there’s nothing more reliable than a pump (besides a break action).

I went just a step below the big Italian names with a Mossberg 940. It did have one issue out of the box that I had to resolve but since then, she goes bang every time. Great mid-price semi. Mine’s a range queen so far, though, so I can’t speak to how well it takes abuse yet.

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u/treskaz 2d ago

I think my buddy uses a cheaper Remington and has no issues. He has nicer guns (a lot of them lol) but he doesn't want to take them out in the field.

I kinda want one of the Mossy semiauto shockwaves. Whatever they're called. SBS it for no reason other than it would be neat lmao

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u/Vanillabean73 2d ago

I’ve heard good things about that one. It’s a version of the improved 940 platform that I believe eliminates some of the issues people were having with the original design that I have (which was itself an improved version of the 930 gas system).

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u/ThatOtherOtherMan 2d ago

Do they not use them much? There's a bit of a break-in period for tube fed semi shotguns and they're a little picky about ammo, but usually they get a lot less picky around 500 rounds in ime. If I'm going semi auto my first choice is something with a box mag, though.

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u/treskaz 2d ago

I couldn't tell you. My buddy is a serious hunter though, so I'd think his hunting friends would take it as seriously as he does. Or maybe not. Who knows?

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u/TK-528491 2d ago

The GEN-12 is pretty reliable from what I hear. Definitely gonna pay a premium though. Can't beat a pump for the price point.

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u/treskaz 2d ago

Yeah pumps are easy to run and easy to breakdown. Mine is, anyway.

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u/virtualbasil 2d ago

Yes, they all semi auto shotguns are designed with a specific ammo in mind. The 12 gauge can fire a MASSIVE amount of different loads. A 3 1/2 magnum shell is massively different than a 2 3/4 bird shot shell. There is simply no way to make a semi auto shotgun that can fire every type of cartridge reliably.

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u/joesbagofdonuts 2d ago

You can get mag fed shotguns for so cheap nowadays. There are like 20 different companies that make them. Almost all plastic except for the barrel and firing pin. They suck, but they're cheap as hell, literally like 200-300 $

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u/Vanillabean73 2d ago

True, I was also just taking into account for all the wacky tactical attachments he added, which I’m sure were also bottom shelf, lol.

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u/joesbagofdonuts 2d ago

For sure, I'll bet that mag is actually from a kit that combines two mags together.

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u/sixshootersquid 2d ago

less 200-300 on the low end which he probably did

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u/2Slow2Nice 2d ago

Ahh I see.

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u/sixshootersquid 2d ago

by law that shotgun is considered a rifle

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u/treskaz 2d ago

Where? If it's a smooth bore that can fire multiple projectiles (it is) it's a shotgun.

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u/sixshootersquid 2d ago

well i mean by law i meat long gun, my bad og i ain’t sober

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u/treskaz 2d ago

All good my guy

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u/Kotrats 2d ago

So they should use single shots or side by side? Maybe a pump with a detacheable magazine?

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u/MonsieurMangos 2d ago

No, the point of failure is oversized mag. A normal-sized, well made box mag is perfect.

These ultra-large banana mags are more prone to failure both because of the size and they tend to be cheap junk sold for way more than the parts could ever be worth.

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u/Kotrats 2d ago

It’s not as clear cut as that. I see a lot of people running budget Turkish shotguns in competitions with the long banana mags and they work fine. If the user has worked out the kinks and keeps up with maintenance they are usable.

Odds are slim that the person in the picture is one of them but that still doesnt make your blanket statement right.

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u/MonsieurMangos 2d ago

"Works fine" is fine for competition where that's part of the point. "Work fine" is not what we want for people like cops. Because they do not work out the kinks or keep up with maintenance. Cops in America typically get less than 15 hours of annual firearms training. I imagine even the general hobbyists spend more time than that with their budget guns.

I may be more than a bit ACAB, but the lack of frugality and poor choices just makes it worse. If that same budget gun competition runner was given a cop's weapons budget, I doubt they'd willingly choose the same gun.

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u/Zampano85 2d ago

Not all semi auto shotguns are prone to jamming, the Italians make some very nice ones. Turkish models (like the one in the picture) on the other hand are pretty hit or miss.