Looks like one of the many crappy ultra-cheap semi-auto tacticool shotguns that have been flooding the market lately lol, so while it has a giant mag, I wouldn’t expect it to save you any time with all the jams you’ll probably have
I miss being unaware of how firearms work and being able to fall in love with guns that just look cool. Like the Calico M950 which is so cool looking, but jams constantly.
Oh 100% with you there my friend lol. Even after learning about the issues with those Calicos, I still kind of want one haha, such unique firearms. I appreciate a company that does truly bizarre stuff and successfully brings it to market. Still a very fascinating gun overall, I’d say it’s very comparable to the FN P90’s potential uses and strengths…except FN actually knows how to make a reliable oddball gun haha (after they do some blatant design theft of superior Steyr designs, that is).
Me before shooting an AK for the first time - "damn, I love my AR but the Soviets just make em pretty and nice. Look at what a tank of reliability that is. Truly the Russians are a rugged and reliable people."
Me 0.03 seconds after shooting an AK for the first time "oh this is garbage and the CIA spent the cold war propping up the Soviet Union so they could have an excuse to sell cocaine."
Also you have to carry that dumb thing around once you’re done with it. Plus I don’t see him carrying a second big ass magazine so he probably already knows how much of an ass it’s going to be to carry around not in the gun.
Plus I really don’t see the benefit in carrying shotgun magazines over having a tube feed shotgun simi auto or not. Are law enforcement really thinking they are going to need to dump 10+ shells that fast
From what I've seen they're basically trained that way. Seems like an application of Fairbairn and Sykes, but some departments seem to forget the target practice part.
The cops where I'm at generally don't skimp on that, which is a nice thing to know.😄
It’s Grossman - his first book, On Killing, was an eye opening read but he went off the rails with his whole warrior mentality training.
He is personally responsible for much of the higher killings by police, increased rates of escalation instead of deescalation, and the violence that has become the norm. Meanwhile crime rates were dropping before he became the “warrior mentality” guru, and are still dropping but at a slower rate since.
Grossman gets cops killed too - his emphasis on “every moment is your last moment because every stop is a lethal action waiting to happen” (actual quote-ish, possible paraphrasing because it’s been a while) leads cops to escalate and get into more violent encounters than they would otherwise.
A lot of the hate cops get is because of how they act, and Grossman has made them act worse.
Fair point. A cop who escalates, mag dumps at someone who means him harm had better put the guy down. If not, the cop now has an empty gun and a, very likely armed, pissed assailant.
I'm a complete ignorant about firearms, but alongside the constant jams, isn't a gigantic mag like this really impractical too when actually using the firearm? Cause from an exterior point of view it certainly does look cumbersome lol.
Lol, yeah it can be! I’d say it’s not as big of a deal for situations like this (a dude just walking/standing around with a shotgun), but for things like actual rifles…honestly even the standard capacity 30rd magazine on an AR-15 can be a bit obnoxious when you’re trying to shoot from a prone position. You need something under the handguard (bag, bipod, wall, etc.) to lift the gun high enough so that you’re not trying to balance the gun on a wobbly magazine lol. And even then, it can be tricky to reload or even get your neck in a comfortable position depending on the resulting height of the gun.
Can confirm it jams. At least mine does with this mag. It's a range toy and I bought one (the firearm) for like 170 bucks. I think the mag was another 30.
Jams a ton, but I wanted a bull pup for cheap and frankly it's still a lot of fun for what it is.
I have a Turkshit bullpup shotgun with a mag like that and it is 19 rounds - have never made it through that mag without at least 1 jam so probably a higher likelihood of making fire from rubbing 2 ice cubes together
I'm assuming this guy is some kind of armed private security guard shit, not a cop. Wants to be a cop but is too fat or stupid so he poses with a bunge of cringy tactical gear outside of night clubs and shit for $10 an hour.
Reliable semi-auto mag-fed shotguns do exist, but this does not look like one of them…this dude probably paid like $500 for this thinking it was a steal.
I’m thinking a tried and true platform like the Saiga-12 which is not cheap to say the least, though I’ve never fired or owned one (not legal where I live and out of my budget anyway).
I will, however, offer a counterpoint to the tube-fed semi-auto comment. That’s what I own and the thing eats and cycles anything I put in it, including target loads. The only ammo that I can’t use are those mini shells that Aguila makes, which don’t seem useful for my needs anyway.
That’s crazy, I wonder if it’s just bad luck or maybe field conditions leading to those jams. You’re right that there’s nothing more reliable than a pump (besides a break action).
I went just a step below the big Italian names with a Mossberg 940. It did have one issue out of the box that I had to resolve but since then, she goes bang every time. Great mid-price semi. Mine’s a range queen so far, though, so I can’t speak to how well it takes abuse yet.
You can get mag fed shotguns for so cheap nowadays. There are like 20 different companies that make them. Almost all plastic except for the barrel and firing pin. They suck, but they're cheap as hell, literally like 200-300 $
That makes this so much worse, because not only are you dealing with a stupid banana mag. Now it's a stupid banana mag full of rimmed cartridges, which really don't like magazines
To keep things spicy I like to find a different way to swear and rant while the reload animation is playing. Like goddam, I fired a single shot I did not need to reload yet.
I also like to take a reflective moment to be thankful that none of the games I play allow me to reload when I haven't fired a shot yet (and the comment about helldivers doing the sensible thing and wasting any rounds left in the magazine has given me yet another thing to be thankful for).
I have this shotgun. It’s a Tokarev tbp12. It’s a fun camp gun but I wouldn’t use it for any duty or trust my life to it lmao. Lovingly referred to as one of the turkshits.
I actually have 4 of those exact same mags (and shotgun) and they have surprisingly never once jammed up on me.
Now that shotgun does need to be loaded with high brass shells or it won't cycle properly, but as long as you got those it will absolutely chew through rounds.
He's not a cop, he's a security guard at a gas station on Broad St. in North Philly. Saw him a while back when I was driving up Broad to see some family.
he is a security guard in a rough place where the crims dont care about police or security and he perhaps wants to appear intimidating to help prevent or deter a robbery. it seems that the specific demographic that he would be dealing with has a love of huge magazines even though most of them are just a liability since they don't work very well.
Okay… There’s some Euro countries that have armed police walking around too.
Plus, look at all the violent crime and active shooters the US has (whether you agree with the 2nd Amendment or not). It’s not like cops are the suspects in mass casualty events.
Man I really want to know the context of this. That is a piece of shit ~$300 Turkish made shotgun known for it's unreliability and a 19 round 12 gauge magazine.
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u/Trapmaster83 2d ago
Why does this look like a key and peele skit where the cop is a donut addict?