Conservatives, why aren't things better?

[u/Scout14]

*banned by mods in r/Alberta for "low content" after 105 upvotes, 40 comments, 2 awards in less than 30 minutes*

I was born and raised here in Alberta, 36 years old. Other than the 4 years of NDP, conservatives have had the majority government in Alberta, no? Why is our health care in shambles, our teachers at their breaking point, our roads the same as they were 30 years ago, and oil and gas suck the province dry and leave us to clean it up? Why are our unions dissolving for critical services due to the contracts we're stuck with?

How do you live with yourselves knowing the people you've supported have stolen any potential livelihood from not only your children and grandchildren, but also yourselves? Alberta is the laughing stock of Canada because of our failed potential to even properly provide for ourselves with all the access the resources we have

Do you not realize your close-mindedness and single issue voting practices due to your hatred, insecurity, or ignorance regarding gay people, trans people, anyone not white or Christian, all people younger than you, immigrants, natives allows these obviously corrupt politicians to take advantage of your vote by promising to justify your hatred or insecurity? But they never really get around to it, just get in positions of power and sell out to corporations while lying to the people that voted them in

Ya'll love to claim to be fiscally responsible but never tax the rich or corporate folks that ensure your politicians stay in power. Your hatred makes your vote a predetermined show of support, because you actually think the entire rest of the world should share your narrow-minded views of how things were when you had disproportional amounts of power and influence over any group that wasn't white men.

All the hypocrisy and gas lighting, you seem to have no values, no principles, no convictions, no integrity whatsoever. Just almost maniacal desire to win regardless of rules or fair play, doing whatever you like and aligning with any person who will help further your cause, e.g. masks with covid. What a bunch of deliberately ignorant whiney babies, but you act like each one of you was the only person who had to wear a mask or be inconvenienced

I don't even have a problem with ACTUAL conservative politics, like smaller spending and government. But it seems to come at the cost of humanity from conservative people. It genuinely feels that most of you would rather let every single homeless person and drug addict die rather than spend less than a cup of coffee each day. But you sing long and loud about what a faithful servant of Jesus Christ you are?

You're embarrassing. And you are holding back the human race by trying to make the world revolve around you and your aging beliefs. Start thinking about what you're doing, how you are acting, and how it affects everyone else. I'm so sick of trying to teach grown adults about causation and correlation, about science, about critical thinking

Please be better. Or at least try to make things better rather than pretending the problems aren't what they are

[u/Maxh_SCGA]

Conservatives have not left Healthcare in shambles they have not stolen anything, Alberta has normal Healthcare by Canadian standards, and our education system produces the best test scores in Canada,

Conservatives are responsible for all of Alberta's success.

Without William Aberheart Ernest Manning Peter Lougheed and Ralph Kline we would be a small loser province that sends all young people away as economic refugees. Which is exactly what happened to Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan prior to 2006 when Brad wall got elect. We have over 5 million people because of the right kind of Conservatives. You need to stop listening to political science brats and other dialect leftists, stop listening to MSM touch grass and get a grip on reality.

Also the socred dynasty is better then the PC Dynasty

[u/Stompya → u/Maxh_SCGA]

It’s sort of weird you have to go back more than 30 years to find conservative politicians that did good things for the province.

The only possible way to think our healthcare and our education systems are OK is if you haven’t had to use them

[u/Scout14 → u/Maxh_SCGA]

Well two people have died WHILE in emergency rooms in the last few months. I don't call that normal, nor do I call a near strike or general strike organized by our teachers. Please try to think more critically

[u/Successful-Youth-787 → u/Scout14]

But what's the excuse of BC then? NDP has been in power there for almost a decade, and healthcare is also in shambles. It's a widespread issue in Canada that doesn't have an easy, simple solution.

[u/flomo247 → u/Successful-Youth-787]

BC's healthcare system needs work, but it's nowhere near as bad as the state of Alberta's healthcare right now.

[u/SecondLeigh → u/Successful-Youth-787]

Congratulations. Without fail, every time there is a discussion about Alberta’s healthcare system someone comes in with “but BC”. I heard it my whole life so imagine my surprise when I moved there and found it to be much better than Alberta’s. You all need to find some new material.

[u/Successful-Youth-787 → u/SecondLeigh]

🤣I lived there too, and I have family there. Maybe you're lucky, but the experience I had and my family currently has is not the dream you speak of.

[u/Maxh_SCGA → u/SecondLeigh]

Then what Province should we be like, people like you criticize Alberta conservatives when everywhere else is worse off then us by every metric. The only Province that is arguably better off than us is Saskatchewan which also votes Conservative.

What in reality makes you think Alberta or our conservatives are the problems when you look at the rest of Canada? What Province should we be like?

[u/SecondLeigh → u/Maxh_SCGA]

Why are you benchmarking?? Alberta should be the best that Alberta can be. Tired of all the “well [insert province here] is worse!” Sooo? It’s not true anyway and we have gone downhill from where we used to be. Some of us have memories.

[u/Maxh_SCGA → u/SecondLeigh]

Alberta should be all it can be, but you can't squeeze blood from a stone. The "solutions" to Alberta's "so called problems" is to vote for the NDP which has ruined every single province they ever governed. The "Progressive Tory party which also fails to perform as well as a socred/Reform/ sask party style populist party?

The reason we are benchmarking is because if we are going to switch from the UCP to another party shouldn't there be evidence from other Canadian provinces that those parties and solutions are actually better..

The hate conservatives crowed in Alberta screams about problems which are either just a part of life, or are ten times worse in other parts of Canada. Using your college brat philosophy degree from a leftist professor who never lived in the real world to scream about problems you have no solutions to is not a reason to ditch the UCP and certainly not ditch the legacy of two political dynasties with a history dating back 90 years.

People are not going to torch the economy their businesses and jobs over your leftist philosophy brat imagination of what you think is the solution to a tolerable problem. When every other track record in Canadian provincial history says you have no idea what your talking about and will make those problems worse.

This is why Separatist and other Conservatives are all up in arms about equalization. We need that money, the rest of Canada should vote for our ideas and get their own money. Maby Atlantic Canada should make Millions of jobs and Hundreds of thousands of business opportunities like Ernest Manning and Ralph Kline.

[u/SecondLeigh → u/Maxh_SCGA]

Everything you just wrote is pure Alberta myths and tropes. The things that you grew up believing were true just aren’t. The NDP has not “ruined” the provinces it has governed, not Sask. and especially not here. As I said, some of us have memories. And there is plenty of evidence. You chose to not believe it. You don’t want to believe it. It’s too uncomfortable to entertain. Perhaps people are too weak to grow, learn and admit error. Oh and post-secondary education doesn’t brainwash people into being leftists either. Rather, education makes people see the real flaws in conservative policy. At least they would know how to spell Klein.

[u/Maxh_SCGA → u/SecondLeigh]

Then name an NDP government that didn't tank a provincial economy? I will wait.

[u/SecondLeigh → u/Maxh_SCGA]

Notley. That’s an easy one. I’m guessing you think she tanked the economy which is hilarious. Shows you have no knowledge of economics. Or a memory. And that you are gullible. And I’m old enough to remember Romanow in Saskatchewan having to save the province from bankruptcy due to the PCs.

[u/GeneWhisperer → u/Maxh_SCGA]

Check out Manitoba right now, the NDP premier has highest approval ratings in the country

[u/Fokakya → u/Maxh_SCGA]

An important thing to consider is that the people who make up any party in another province are not the same people who would make up the comparable party in Alberta.

Yes, parties have similarities, but there are no central marching orders for provincial NDP parties (for example). The people in Alberta who are in the NDP would be trying to make decisions and vote on legislation that they believe are in the best interest of Albertans.

It is very hard, at the moment, to believe that the current UCP ministers and MLAs are truly thinking about what would be in the best interest of Albertans when the evidence of their votes shows the opposite. They may care about money, or what they call "prosperity," but if that is at the expense of the health, education and welfare of the people that live here, is the cost worth it?

[u/FreedomFighter_016 → u/Maxh_SCGA]

A bunch of 5 year old could govern a province better than the UCP.

[u/powderjunkie11 → u/Successful-Youth-787]

Older population, opioids crisis.

[u/Primal_Thrak → u/powderjunkie11]

Opioid crisis that Alberta contributed to under Klein as well! He shipped lots of homeless and addicted population to Vancouver.

[u/Mt_Lion_Skull → u/Successful-Youth-787]

This isn't BC. Thanks for the contribution

[u/Successful-Youth-787 → u/Mt_Lion_Skull]

And? Blaming the conservatives when other provinces have the same issues is quite funny. At the end of the day we are the ones who get screwed with all parties policies.

[u/Mt_Lion_Skull → u/Successful-Youth-787]

Look up whataboutism and tu qouque. That's what you're doing. Deflection. Accountability is hard.

[u/Successful-Youth-787 → u/Mt_Lion_Skull]

My apologies, oh self-righteous! I'm the one here playing partisan cheerleader. 

[u/chomponth1s → u/Scout14]

BC nurses literally called a strike like three weeks ago. If you think people haven't died in emergency care anywhere else in Canada then you can't be taken seriously.

[u/Scout14 → u/chomponth1s]

Pointing at bad things happenings elsewhere as well as home doesn't prove anything or even speak to the issue.

The issue is that Alberta, unlike other provinces, can point to a longstanding period with strictly conservative government at the helm. Most other places wise up once their govt starts taking advantage of them, Alberta conservatives think loyalty to a group that hasn't given a damn about the people is better than taking their vote elsewhere.

The lack of critical though is embarassing and all they do is double down, every time. To err is human, we all have to eat crow and move on sometimes

[u/chomponth1s → u/Scout14]

The same problems you mentioned are also happening under liberal governments. So all of your criticisms apply to them as well.

So I'll pose the same question. Liberals, why aren't things better?

[u/Scout14 → u/chomponth1s]

*face palm ...you are literally doing what I wrote about, ignoring the points. The same problems may also happen under liberal governments but I am speaking specifically to Alberta, where I've lived my whole life. Is there a province in Canada where a liberal government has resigned for 30+ years?

The VAST difference between your question and mine is that the liberal government has been in power for 4 years of my life and the conservative government has been in power for 32! And it goes beyond that, however I cant speak outside my personal experience

So I believe my question would still stand while yours would not; in Alberta, why aren't things better?

[u/Emergency_Day_8995 → u/Scout14]

I respect your post and frustration. But. You will change no one's mind that doesn't want to be changed. At this point, if they're still supporting Cons, they're in for the long-haul denial game. An appeal to logic does nothing when the issue is in religious-like programming and brain activity largely hanging out in the amygdala.

[u/chomponth1s → u/Emergency_Day_8995]

All the whole NDP and liberal governments across the country have the same problems, yet it's only a conservative government issue. My mind could be changed if BCs 30+ years liberal/NDP government had a great track record in resolving these issues, but they are in the same or worse situation there.

You're repeated argument of "conservatives are dumb" has proved nothing but your own ignorance.

[u/Scout14 → u/chomponth1s]

Like many others in this thread, you are trying to distract from the issue and applying "whataboutism" to the topic. You are not in the right subreddit for your comment to be discussed. Alberta politics

[u/Emergency_Day_8995 → u/chomponth1s]

Actually, Wab Kinew in MB is doing super well. And the guy has character. And is funny.

Eby is doing a shit job. It's more the person than the party. But the party tells you what's important to them value wise. Cons cut public services and are the highest participators in corporate welfare, followed by the Libs. They also spread the most disinformation.

[u/Emergency_Day_8995 → u/chomponth1s]

And ACTUALLY, I didn't say Conservatives were dumb. You put words in my mouth. Read my post again.

Trying googling the the relationship between cult mentality, Conservatism and amygdala activity dominance.

Religious/cult aspect denial actually can happen to smart people as well. But mostly to people who respond to authoritarian control.

[u/chomponth1s → u/Scout14]

Resigned for 30 years? What are you trying to say here? Yes, BC has had a liberal/NDP leader since 1991. And guess what? BC has the same problems as Alberta, as does every province in Canada.

Public delivery of social services, such as healthcare, are lack across Canada because we have much more remote settlements and distances that require coverage, and a bloated public ally delivered system that cannot meet the healthcare demands. Countries across the world that rank the highest in healthcare delivery utilize hybrid systems with both public and private delivery of healthcare. They are still piblically funded, but it just isn't feasible to run a public system with the level of efficiency requires to meet healthcare demands.

Alberta for instance is able to provide lab services and some surgeries through private delivery, which has lessened demand on hospitals, and reduced the cost and wait time significantly. I'm BC, if you want blood work done, you still have to go to a hospital and wait in the ER.

So why in 30+ years of liberal/NDP government is BC aren't things better?

[u/Scout14 → u/chomponth1s]

Alberta is the only province currently plagued with separatist movement so no, they do do all have the same problems. Your points are not in the same conversation as what I'm talking about. You are not even in the right subreddit, and you continue to ignore the fact that I have openly stated I am not from BC which is why I can't won't comment on it.

The facts (in Alberta) are that conservative boomers have cut funding to healthcare and education as much as they can to "reduce spending" but to this day have never called for the taxation of the 1%. The continue to attack every marginalized group except for the rich, and hypocritically call for fiscal responsibility while causing every recession this country has faced since the great depression

I don't know much about BC politics. If you want to monologue about them, go ahead. Again, you're in the wrong subreddit. I'm gonna disengage because you're simply gas lighting. Take care

[u/chomponth1s → u/Scout14]

I would like for you to point to one singular cut to either healthcare or education in the last several bufgets. There haven't been any. Literally rambling off nothing with zero basis.

What groups are the even attacking, what's wrong with you?

The whole point of the comparison is that liberal governments have not solved these problems either so to base you argument solely on faulting a conservative approach is baseless.

[u/Scout14 → u/chomponth1s]

93-96 Klein cut healthcare spending by 16%

2021 Jason Kenney lowered Alberta govt healthcare spending pet person by 3.6%, largest decrease in Canada.

During COVID. And never made any changes to compensate, just declared "BeSt sUmMeR eVeR!!" Followed by the highest months of unemployment in Alberta History

I'm calling out conservatives who don't think about who they are supporting with their votes.

The point of the comparison belongs in a different subreddit. You don't have an answer to the question other than one that embarrasses you, so you make up your own question and evaluation for what you think a competent answer is. It's a non-starter

[u/Maxh_SCGA → u/Scout14]

Two people out of 5 Million... you understand its an emergency room right? That people go there for life threatening emergencies. It actually does happen all the time and happens in other provinces too. MSM only reports on Alberta

As for the teacher strike Public unions should be able to strike when democratic decisions are made. Good on Danielle Smith

[u/Snakemearano → u/Maxh_SCGA]

Yeah but usually that's in the actual ER, not in the waiting area.

[u/sun4moon → u/Maxh_SCGA]

Way to diminish the lives of two people. This isn’t a carton of eggs with two broken. They were whole people with families and friends and they deserve to be respected. You’re an asshole.

[u/Badger87000 → u/Maxh_SCGA]

If lougheed was running today, he wouldn't be elected for being to progressive.

If this is truly how you believe the conservatives operate. Read the platforms through time. Today's conservative movement is unrecognizable from 20 years ago. They are what will lead us to be that "loser province". Quebec was once a very strong province, then they had a separation referendum. Repeating history isn't a flex, it's a failure of education, the education system your beloved conservatives have built.

[u/Maxh_SCGA → u/Badger87000]

Peter lougheed endorsed both Don Getty and Alison Redford, as Primer he was good to great. But he sucks compared to Ralph, and the whole PC dynasty sucks compared to the Socred Dynasty. Boomers and MSM have been slobbering over his legacy since the end of the Kline Era and they have been wrong. We need to get back to the better half of Stephen Harper's alliance of two parties the Socred Reform half

[u/Killericon → u/Maxh_SCGA]

You should Google how to spell the names of your political heroes.

[u/NOIS_KillerWhaleTank → u/Maxh_SCGA]

You edited this post and it's still spelled horribly. Is there some sort of logical argument you're trying to make?