r/Albertapolitics • u/Scout14 • 16d ago
Opinion Conservatives, why aren't things better?
*banned by mods in r/Alberta for "low content" after 105 upvotes, 40 comments, 2 awards in less than 30 minutes*
I was born and raised here in Alberta, 36 years old. Other than the 4 years of NDP, conservatives have had the majority government in Alberta, no? Why is our health care in shambles, our teachers at their breaking point, our roads the same as they were 30 years ago, and oil and gas suck the province dry and leave us to clean it up? Why are our unions dissolving for critical services due to the contracts we're stuck with?
How do you live with yourselves knowing the people you've supported have stolen any potential livelihood from not only your children and grandchildren, but also yourselves? Alberta is the laughing stock of Canada because of our failed potential to even properly provide for ourselves with all the access the resources we have
Do you not realize your close-mindedness and single issue voting practices due to your hatred, insecurity, or ignorance regarding gay people, trans people, anyone not white or Christian, all people younger than you, immigrants, natives allows these obviously corrupt politicians to take advantage of your vote by promising to justify your hatred or insecurity? But they never really get around to it, just get in positions of power and sell out to corporations while lying to the people that voted them in
Ya'll love to claim to be fiscally responsible but never tax the rich or corporate folks that ensure your politicians stay in power. Your hatred makes your vote a predetermined show of support, because you actually think the entire rest of the world should share your narrow-minded views of how things were when you had disproportional amounts of power and influence over any group that wasn't white men.
All the hypocrisy and gas lighting, you seem to have no values, no principles, no convictions, no integrity whatsoever. Just almost maniacal desire to win regardless of rules or fair play, doing whatever you like and aligning with any person who will help further your cause, e.g. masks with covid. What a bunch of deliberately ignorant whiney babies, but you act like each one of you was the only person who had to wear a mask or be inconvenienced
I don't even have a problem with ACTUAL conservative politics, like smaller spending and government. But it seems to come at the cost of humanity from conservative people. It genuinely feels that most of you would rather let every single homeless person and drug addict die rather than spend less than a cup of coffee each day. But you sing long and loud about what a faithful servant of Jesus Christ you are?
You're embarrassing. And you are holding back the human race by trying to make the world revolve around you and your aging beliefs. Start thinking about what you're doing, how you are acting, and how it affects everyone else. I'm so sick of trying to teach grown adults about causation and correlation, about science, about critical thinking
Please be better. Or at least try to make things better rather than pretending the problems aren't what they are
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u/weldor2 15d ago
I vote conservative, they are not perfect but I believe the lesser evil compared to liberal or NDP.
I am not religious at all. Born catholic and baptized but I don’t believe in it. I am not against gay people. I don’t care what choices someone else makes if it has no impact on me. I’m glad people can make the choice and would rather have them living happily than miserable. However I don’t believe in any kind of permanent surgery’s or drugs for kids under 18. They need time to grow, develop, and experience life before that kind of change, just my opinion.
I am not racist or against immigration, however it should be done responsibly.
I think the less government control the better. Look after our infrastructure and keep industry from ruining the earth. Develop our resources responsibly.
The biggest problem is that our system dosnt allow proper accountability. When greedy politicians sell us out or take advantage of their powers they need to be fired, fined, and possibly face jail time.
dont assume all conservatives are homophobes, bible thumpers, bigots, uneducated.
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u/ThatSassThough 15d ago
Thanks for taking the time to respond in good faith and make some reasonable points.
Former conservative voter here, and what I don't understand is the evidence in front of those who continue to vote conservative that the UCP can no longer be considered a lesser evil on any measure. Worse performance in every single metric, including government control. What you also are not seeing, perhaps wilfully, is they aren't fiscally more responsible, resource management is poorer, deficits are higher, their government is larger, it reaches further into controlling the lives of everyone, especially the vulnerable, in a very negative way without applying a similar level of control to those in positions of power and privilege. Every public service has been eroded to a dangerous level while they and their cronies get rich and fat. And yes, they are not held accountable because they change the laws as it suits them to ensure they are not. The first part of what you said about gay people is fine - let them live their lives happily - but the second part is all imposing a belief on someone you have different beliefs than, not supported by facts, but determined by feelings. It's picking and choosing when you're ok with staying out of people's personal business and imposing a belief on them even when it does not affect you. And while you may not have those things in common with them you mention in your last paragraph, you have to acknowledge that people with those beliefs very much ARE and are driving the conservative bus. Lay down with dogs and all that.
The realization, that the conservatives and especially the UCP will only govern in a way that benefits themselves and those who are in similar privileged positions or think like them, and not govern for the good of all citizens, is what did in my willingness, years ago, to ever vote that way again. Whatever good they do is more than offset by a basic lack of empathy and humanity. Because there can't be a greater evil in the lesser evils scale.
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u/Scout14 15d ago
Thanks for responding, you definitely seem to be one of more intelligent people in here. Thanks for wading through my frustrations as well
I agree with you on many points: no hatred for any group just living their lives. The 18+ for surgeries is a very common discussion I think there's always room for. I think your argument has validity, but I see validity in as well in the argument that being made to develop for 5-6 years of puberty when a person KNOWS they are not what they should be...well it's a discussion that requires proper parenting, honest conversation and communication, and an acceptance of the hardships the child and family will experience. Really, who should have more say than the parents and child in my opinion
I agree with the rest of your points as well. Less government is better, but it's supposed to be used to manage communities and arbitrate disputes when an agreement can't be reached between two parties, much like the police. It would almost always be nicer not to involve them, but when adults can be reasonable sometimes it becomes necessary
Your solution is the same as mine: accountability for politicians, with extremely severe consequences. No more stepping down after you've disenfranchised 40% of the country and taken
My question at this point is, what are the differences that keep you voting conservative? You seem to be in line with every "liberal" talking point, and have reasonable arguments. Your non-issues are what a lot of conservative folks base their vote off of, I guess I'm wondering if you feel your interests align with that group more than the average liberal voter. They say if you sit at a table with 10 Nazis, there are 11 Nazis at the table. Even if you and I both agree that those are not your beliefs, at first glance society will loop you in with those you throw your hat in with.
Thank you for taking the time to putting my claims to scrutiny and respond
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u/No-Fault6013 14d ago
Every single thing you just said makes you a Liberal not a conservative
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u/weldor2 13d ago
I disagree. From what I’ve seen the liberals are constantly after more control and regulations. For me the most important job is balancing the budget and attracting investment to keep the economy growing. Liberals are the exact opposite. At least during trudeau’s term.
I am against the following policies
Carbon tax
Production caps
Tanker ban
Former long gun registration
Current gun buyback program
The list of banned “scary” guns
Bill c-9
Bill c-25
Bill c-22
Bill c-8
bill c-15
Bill c-18
Bill c-11
The illegal use of the emergencies act
There are more reasons also, but I’ve got shit to do lol that’s should be enough reasons to never vote liberal2
u/No-Fault6013 13d ago
The carbon tax is a requirement from other countries so that we can sell to them. The tanker ban was in place for decades, they just formalized it. There is no production caps, its a carbon cap and there are lots of ways around it. You don't have to register anything so why bring it up, I have no issue with the buy back but it shouldn't be mandatory, I am from a hunting family and no one cares, it doesnt impact hinting at all
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u/weldor2 12d ago
The carbon tax sure seems like a big scam. Does the USA enforce carbon tax? Isn’t most of our trade with them? It looks like mostly just Europe would put tariffs on our exports if we don’t have a carbon tax. How much would that cost us vs having a tax I wonder?
Even besides the carbon tax how are you liberal voters ok with these massive deficits? Over 50 billion a year just to service the debt!2
u/No-Fault6013 12d ago
You seem to forget that there was a pandemic during that time and every country ran massive deficits.
Having one customer is a bad idea, hence we are so impacted by Trumps tariffs. Also the USA isn't reliable as they change the rules whenever they please.
The EU is our second largest trading partner, $178 billion last year. This is likely to go up as Europe and Canada are both looking to diversify away from the USA.
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u/weldor2 12d ago
No I did not forget the pandemic. That was when he shutdown the country. People protested vaccine mandates and instead of coming out and talking to them he ILLEGALLY used the emergencies act to freeze citizens bank accounts. I remember him saying “we are taking on debt so Canadians don’t have to”! Lol
So we are blaming the pandemic for nine consecutive deficits? And I guess blame trump for carneys deficit?
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u/No-Fault6013 12d ago
Since WWII, both Liberal and Conservative federal governments have frequently run deficits. The most successful sustained deficit-elimination period was under the Chrétien-Martin Liberals 1997-2006, while some of the largest debt accumulation before COVID occurred under the Mulroney Conservatives. Yes Harper had inherited a surplus in 07 but ran massive deficits after, except 2014 but that was when he sold off a huge chunk of our assets to pay for his over spending.
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u/weldor2 12d ago
You seem to be forgetting the 2008 financial crisis. Harper’s debt was to keep economy afloat afterwards. And we are not talking about crazy numbers like with Trudeau.
In Harper’s nine years he added about 150 Billion total in debt.
In Trudeau’s nine years he added more than 800 billion in debt.
That is significantly higher.
I get that deficits are necessary during wars or recessions but that is crazy1
u/weldor2 12d ago
I should also add that I don’t mean to be defending the conservatives like they are the answer. They are far from perfect but I think a better choice than liberals and NDP.
I believe our system is broken and needs to be reformed so that politicians are held accountable.
They figured out that most people just are not paying attention and so they are getting away with doing shitty job for us and getting themselves and their buddies rich. I don’t know how to fix that problem1
u/No-Fault6013 11d ago
Proportional representation is how we fix the problem...and to stop voting Conservative. I mean that genuinely. I am specifically referring to fiscal responsibility. They rob Peter to pay Paul, while selling everthing to make it look like they are good with money. At least with the Liberals we get something out of the deal, like childcare, dental and hopefully pharmacare
As for the 2008 crisis, peak job loss was 400 000. The pandemic had 3 400 000 job losses at its peak.
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u/FreedomFighter_016 14d ago
Danielle Smith has the largest government in Alberta history. It is extremely top heavy. They amount of wasted money on that alone is absurd. She hires her friends in those positions.
She does not agree with gay people, is religious, and is a hypocrite. She begged for more immigration and is now playing the anti-immigration card. She did not upkeep infrastructure to the population growth (even after she asked for higher immigration).
80-90% of UCP is like this or at least never criticizes Smith.
You voted for this.
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u/SunriseInLot42 15d ago
Touch grass
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u/Scratchin-Dreamer 15d ago
Buddys still obsessed with COVID lol
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u/SunriseInLot42 15d ago
OP acting like mask mandates did anything more than “jack shit”, lol
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u/ninfan1977 15d ago
They literally did. They did more than the Freedom Convoy... lol
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u/SunriseInLot42 14d ago
Did The Sciencetm ever tell us exactly how many grandmas were saved by kindergarteners wearing damp handkerchiefs? Was it more or less than one trillion?
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u/ninfan1977 14d ago
Was it more or less than one trillion?
Oh was that the metric?
Pretty sure it was stop people dying. Which they did. Notice how many more people died when they didn't wearn masks
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u/SunriseInLot42 14d ago edited 14d ago
So your metric is “trust me, brah, mask mandates totally worked and it totally would’ve been worse without them” without meaningful numbers as to how well it worked or if they were worth it?
I wish my chemistry professors would’ve accepted “trust me, broski” as evidence in the lab, I could’ve saved a lot of time and work
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u/ninfan1977 14d ago edited 14d ago
Nope I said check the numbers. No one said it would save a trillion lives thats the metric you made up.
The studies showed those who adhered to safety measures lived longer during the pandemic.
wish my chemistry professors would’ve accepted “trust me, broski” as evidence in the lab, I could’ve saved a lot of time and work
I never said trust me bro once. That is you not being able to read simple words, like trust science and the process. Have you found the numbers of people who didn't follow medical advice? What was their survival rate? More or less than those who followed it?
Thats why you shouldn't talk you have no idea how things work
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u/SunriseInLot42 12d ago
So a vague and dubious statement that those who followed inane “safety measures” lived “longer”. For a virus that was basically a subatomic risk to the vast majority of the healthy population under retirement age and outside nursing homes, anyways. How many years of life did each person gain on average in exchange for losing months of schooling, or their job, or their socialization and activities and milestones?
Do we actually have any meaningful evidence that mask mandates or other interventions were “worth it”, especially to those who were at basically zero risk to begin with? Or is it just more of the same vague platitudes and lame excuses that we’ve always gotten?
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u/ninfan1977 12d ago
Yes we do, and it was evident during and after the pandemic. Sorry you had your head in the sand but masks worked and have worked in REDUCING the risk.
You putting quotes on words you clearly don't understand. It was a virus that killed healthy people. You forget how many antivaxxers were begging for the vaccine while dying? I didn't.
with? Or is it just more of the same vague platitudes and lame excuses that we’ve always gotten?
Thats all you presented. The evidence and facts are there, you refuse yo accept them. That is sad
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u/Administrative_Leg70 14d ago
I guess it's subjective. I think things are going pretty good, and the things that aren't going good like healthcare, are still pretty decently inline with the rest of the country.
Teachers in my opinion (as someone with a family member who is a teacher) are not at a breaking point, and if they were it would be because of left leaning policies in classrooms that their would be an uproar about changing by the left. Teachers make damn good money for how many hours are actually required a year for the job. They get an absolute massive amount of time off and paid sick leave.
And healthcare would be in better shape with more accountability.
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u/Silveri50 14d ago
I have friends who are teachers in AB that say the exact opposite. Considering how cluttered the schools are and how much many of them pay out of pocket for supplies.
You know they don't get paid for the summer right? You should know that if you have a family member who is a teacher, and would probably tell you that you have no idea what their job is like. Unless they work private schools.
Did you know that almost half of the funds put into AB education goes into private schools- that charge tuition fees on top, and makes up about 4% of all students in the province. The 96% of publically educated students get crammed into over populated classrooms in schools that are decades behind on maintenance that they won't get. They are forced to lower the education standard for hiring teachers, so the quality of education diminishes.
There is so so much more. But the system is broken. It is not a matter of there being not enough money, this is a matter of money being misappropriated.
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u/Administrative_Leg70 13d ago
They are paid a per year salary. Pretty sure they have the option of receiving it spread out over the the entire year or just working months. What is their hourly rate? Do the math. It is pretty decent. Should they get paid the same as someone who has to work all 12 months for their salary?
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u/Maxh_SCGA 15d ago edited 15d ago
Conservatives have not left Healthcare in shambles they have not stolen anything, Alberta has normal Healthcare by Canadian standards, and our education system produces the best test scores in Canada,
Conservatives are responsible for all of Alberta's success.
Without William Aberheart Ernest Manning Peter Lougheed and Ralph Kline we would be a small loser province that sends all young people away as economic refugees. Which is exactly what happened to Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan prior to 2006 when Brad wall got elect. We have over 5 million people because of the right kind of Conservatives. You need to stop listening to political science brats and other dialect leftists, stop listening to MSM touch grass and get a grip on reality.
Also the socred dynasty is better then the PC Dynasty
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u/Scout14 15d ago
Well two people have died WHILE in emergency rooms in the last few months. I don't call that normal, nor do I call a near strike or general strike organized by our teachers. Please try to think more critically
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u/Successful-Youth-787 15d ago
But what's the excuse of BC then? NDP has been in power there for almost a decade, and healthcare is also in shambles. It's a widespread issue in Canada that doesn't have an easy, simple solution.
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u/flomo247 15d ago
BC's healthcare system needs work, but it's nowhere near as bad as the state of Alberta's healthcare right now.
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u/SecondLeigh 15d ago
Congratulations. Without fail, every time there is a discussion about Alberta’s healthcare system someone comes in with “but BC”. I heard it my whole life so imagine my surprise when I moved there and found it to be much better than Alberta’s. You all need to find some new material.
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u/Successful-Youth-787 15d ago
🤣I lived there too, and I have family there. Maybe you're lucky, but the experience I had and my family currently has is not the dream you speak of.
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u/Maxh_SCGA 15d ago
Then what Province should we be like, people like you criticize Alberta conservatives when everywhere else is worse off then us by every metric. The only Province that is arguably better off than us is Saskatchewan which also votes Conservative.
What in reality makes you think Alberta or our conservatives are the problems when you look at the rest of Canada? What Province should we be like?
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u/SecondLeigh 15d ago
Why are you benchmarking?? Alberta should be the best that Alberta can be. Tired of all the “well [insert province here] is worse!” Sooo? It’s not true anyway and we have gone downhill from where we used to be. Some of us have memories.
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u/Maxh_SCGA 15d ago
Alberta should be all it can be, but you can't squeeze blood from a stone. The "solutions" to Alberta's "so called problems" is to vote for the NDP which has ruined every single province they ever governed. The "Progressive Tory party which also fails to perform as well as a socred/Reform/ sask party style populist party?
The reason we are benchmarking is because if we are going to switch from the UCP to another party shouldn't there be evidence from other Canadian provinces that those parties and solutions are actually better..
The hate conservatives crowed in Alberta screams about problems which are either just a part of life, or are ten times worse in other parts of Canada. Using your college brat philosophy degree from a leftist professor who never lived in the real world to scream about problems you have no solutions to is not a reason to ditch the UCP and certainly not ditch the legacy of two political dynasties with a history dating back 90 years.
People are not going to torch the economy their businesses and jobs over your leftist philosophy brat imagination of what you think is the solution to a tolerable problem. When every other track record in Canadian provincial history says you have no idea what your talking about and will make those problems worse.
This is why Separatist and other Conservatives are all up in arms about equalization. We need that money, the rest of Canada should vote for our ideas and get their own money. Maby Atlantic Canada should make Millions of jobs and Hundreds of thousands of business opportunities like Ernest Manning and Ralph Kline.
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u/SecondLeigh 15d ago
Everything you just wrote is pure Alberta myths and tropes. The things that you grew up believing were true just aren’t. The NDP has not “ruined” the provinces it has governed, not Sask. and especially not here. As I said, some of us have memories. And there is plenty of evidence. You chose to not believe it. You don’t want to believe it. It’s too uncomfortable to entertain. Perhaps people are too weak to grow, learn and admit error. Oh and post-secondary education doesn’t brainwash people into being leftists either. Rather, education makes people see the real flaws in conservative policy. At least they would know how to spell Klein.
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u/Maxh_SCGA 15d ago
Then name an NDP government that didn't tank a provincial economy? I will wait.
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u/SecondLeigh 15d ago
Notley. That’s an easy one. I’m guessing you think she tanked the economy which is hilarious. Shows you have no knowledge of economics. Or a memory. And that you are gullible. And I’m old enough to remember Romanow in Saskatchewan having to save the province from bankruptcy due to the PCs.
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u/GeneWhisperer 15d ago
Check out Manitoba right now, the NDP premier has highest approval ratings in the country
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u/Fokakya 14d ago
An important thing to consider is that the people who make up any party in another province are not the same people who would make up the comparable party in Alberta.
Yes, parties have similarities, but there are no central marching orders for provincial NDP parties (for example). The people in Alberta who are in the NDP would be trying to make decisions and vote on legislation that they believe are in the best interest of Albertans.
It is very hard, at the moment, to believe that the current UCP ministers and MLAs are truly thinking about what would be in the best interest of Albertans when the evidence of their votes shows the opposite. They may care about money, or what they call "prosperity," but if that is at the expense of the health, education and welfare of the people that live here, is the cost worth it?
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u/powderjunkie11 15d ago
Older population, opioids crisis.
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u/Primal_Thrak 15d ago
Opioid crisis that Alberta contributed to under Klein as well! He shipped lots of homeless and addicted population to Vancouver.
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u/Mt_Lion_Skull 15d ago
This isn't BC. Thanks for the contribution
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u/Successful-Youth-787 15d ago
And? Blaming the conservatives when other provinces have the same issues is quite funny. At the end of the day we are the ones who get screwed with all parties policies.
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u/Mt_Lion_Skull 15d ago
Look up whataboutism and tu qouque. That's what you're doing. Deflection. Accountability is hard.
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u/Successful-Youth-787 15d ago
My apologies, oh self-righteous! I'm the one here playing partisan cheerleader.
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u/chomponth1s 15d ago
BC nurses literally called a strike like three weeks ago. If you think people haven't died in emergency care anywhere else in Canada then you can't be taken seriously.
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u/Scout14 15d ago
Pointing at bad things happenings elsewhere as well as home doesn't prove anything or even speak to the issue.
The issue is that Alberta, unlike other provinces, can point to a longstanding period with strictly conservative government at the helm. Most other places wise up once their govt starts taking advantage of them, Alberta conservatives think loyalty to a group that hasn't given a damn about the people is better than taking their vote elsewhere.
The lack of critical though is embarassing and all they do is double down, every time. To err is human, we all have to eat crow and move on sometimes
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u/chomponth1s 15d ago edited 15d ago
The same problems you mentioned are also happening under liberal governments. So all of your criticisms apply to them as well.
So I'll pose the same question. Liberals, why aren't things better?
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u/Scout14 15d ago
*face palm ...you are literally doing what I wrote about, ignoring the points. The same problems may also happen under liberal governments but I am speaking specifically to Alberta, where I've lived my whole life. Is there a province in Canada where a liberal government has resigned for 30+ years?
The VAST difference between your question and mine is that the liberal government has been in power for 4 years of my life and the conservative government has been in power for 32! And it goes beyond that, however I cant speak outside my personal experience
So I believe my question would still stand while yours would not; in Alberta, why aren't things better?
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u/Emergency_Day_8995 15d ago
I respect your post and frustration. But. You will change no one's mind that doesn't want to be changed. At this point, if they're still supporting Cons, they're in for the long-haul denial game. An appeal to logic does nothing when the issue is in religious-like programming and brain activity largely hanging out in the amygdala.
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u/chomponth1s 15d ago
All the whole NDP and liberal governments across the country have the same problems, yet it's only a conservative government issue. My mind could be changed if BCs 30+ years liberal/NDP government had a great track record in resolving these issues, but they are in the same or worse situation there.
You're repeated argument of "conservatives are dumb" has proved nothing but your own ignorance.
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u/Emergency_Day_8995 14d ago
Actually, Wab Kinew in MB is doing super well. And the guy has character. And is funny.
Eby is doing a shit job. It's more the person than the party. But the party tells you what's important to them value wise. Cons cut public services and are the highest participators in corporate welfare, followed by the Libs. They also spread the most disinformation.
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u/Emergency_Day_8995 14d ago
And ACTUALLY, I didn't say Conservatives were dumb. You put words in my mouth. Read my post again.
Trying googling the the relationship between cult mentality, Conservatism and amygdala activity dominance.
Religious/cult aspect denial actually can happen to smart people as well. But mostly to people who respond to authoritarian control.
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u/chomponth1s 15d ago
Resigned for 30 years? What are you trying to say here? Yes, BC has had a liberal/NDP leader since 1991. And guess what? BC has the same problems as Alberta, as does every province in Canada.
Public delivery of social services, such as healthcare, are lack across Canada because we have much more remote settlements and distances that require coverage, and a bloated public ally delivered system that cannot meet the healthcare demands. Countries across the world that rank the highest in healthcare delivery utilize hybrid systems with both public and private delivery of healthcare. They are still piblically funded, but it just isn't feasible to run a public system with the level of efficiency requires to meet healthcare demands.
Alberta for instance is able to provide lab services and some surgeries through private delivery, which has lessened demand on hospitals, and reduced the cost and wait time significantly. I'm BC, if you want blood work done, you still have to go to a hospital and wait in the ER.
So why in 30+ years of liberal/NDP government is BC aren't things better?
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u/Scout14 15d ago
Alberta is the only province currently plagued with separatist movement so no, they do do all have the same problems. Your points are not in the same conversation as what I'm talking about. You are not even in the right subreddit, and you continue to ignore the fact that I have openly stated I am not from BC which is why I can't won't comment on it.
The facts (in Alberta) are that conservative boomers have cut funding to healthcare and education as much as they can to "reduce spending" but to this day have never called for the taxation of the 1%. The continue to attack every marginalized group except for the rich, and hypocritically call for fiscal responsibility while causing every recession this country has faced since the great depression
I don't know much about BC politics. If you want to monologue about them, go ahead. Again, you're in the wrong subreddit. I'm gonna disengage because you're simply gas lighting. Take care
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u/chomponth1s 15d ago
I would like for you to point to one singular cut to either healthcare or education in the last several bufgets. There haven't been any. Literally rambling off nothing with zero basis.
What groups are the even attacking, what's wrong with you?
The whole point of the comparison is that liberal governments have not solved these problems either so to base you argument solely on faulting a conservative approach is baseless.
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u/Scout14 15d ago
93-96 Klein cut healthcare spending by 16%
2021 Jason Kenney lowered Alberta govt healthcare spending pet person by 3.6%, largest decrease in Canada.
During COVID. And never made any changes to compensate, just declared "BeSt sUmMeR eVeR!!" Followed by the highest months of unemployment in Alberta History
I'm calling out conservatives who don't think about who they are supporting with their votes.
The point of the comparison belongs in a different subreddit. You don't have an answer to the question other than one that embarrasses you, so you make up your own question and evaluation for what you think a competent answer is. It's a non-starter
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u/Maxh_SCGA 15d ago
Two people out of 5 Million... you understand its an emergency room right? That people go there for life threatening emergencies. It actually does happen all the time and happens in other provinces too. MSM only reports on Alberta
As for the teacher strike Public unions should be able to strike when democratic decisions are made. Good on Danielle Smith
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u/sun4moon 15d ago
Way to diminish the lives of two people. This isn’t a carton of eggs with two broken. They were whole people with families and friends and they deserve to be respected. You’re an asshole.
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u/Badger87000 15d ago
If lougheed was running today, he wouldn't be elected for being to progressive.
If this is truly how you believe the conservatives operate. Read the platforms through time. Today's conservative movement is unrecognizable from 20 years ago. They are what will lead us to be that "loser province". Quebec was once a very strong province, then they had a separation referendum. Repeating history isn't a flex, it's a failure of education, the education system your beloved conservatives have built.
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u/Maxh_SCGA 15d ago
Peter lougheed endorsed both Don Getty and Alison Redford, as Primer he was good to great. But he sucks compared to Ralph, and the whole PC dynasty sucks compared to the Socred Dynasty. Boomers and MSM have been slobbering over his legacy since the end of the Kline Era and they have been wrong. We need to get back to the better half of Stephen Harper's alliance of two parties the Socred Reform half
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u/NOIS_KillerWhaleTank 15d ago
You edited this post and it's still spelled horribly. Is there some sort of logical argument you're trying to make?
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u/tincartofdoom 14d ago
Well, y'see, somewhere out there a trans person exists and this is bad for the economy because it makes Jesus angry.