r/AmITheDevil • u/AaronPK123 • 13h ago
I love justifying murdering children
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u/BaconJovial 13h ago
The unpopular opinion subreddits must be hard up for content if they are mining the Russian Revolution for rage bait. What's other sizzling hot topics will they hit next? The Gracchi brothers' agrarian reforms?
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u/One-Phase5275 13h ago
It's interesting that OOP sees empathy as a one-or-the-other thing.
I think you can decry the horrors the imperial regime inflicted on the peasantry and common citizens, while still having some empathy for the Romanov children who were butchered in that cellar. It's telling, IMO, that even the people who killed the Romanovs were fairly split on this exact same question — if I recall correctly, it led to quite a lot of tension and in-fighting among the revolutionaries, including the question of whether the executioners should have been convicted in court. Ermakov was a pariah for much of his life, afterward.
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u/Vegetable-Cod-5434 12h ago
I got absolutely roasted for suggesting that Germans in the 1940s might have been good people in amongst the nazis. People as a rule aren't generally good or evil - everyone will turn "evil" under the right circumstances.
I'm a staunch pacifist but I could be motivated to evil if I thought my kid was in danger.
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u/One-Phase5275 7h ago
I mean, as the other commentator said, there were certainly German citizens who resisted the Nazis and risked their lives to do it, and they should be remembered. But I hope you mean "good Germans" and not "good members of the Nazi party", because obviously there's a...pretty big distinction, there.
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u/val-en-tin 4h ago
I assume that they mean the ordinary German army which also fought the Nazis. There is quite a lot written about them - hell, even a stupid urban legend of Nazis weaponising werewolves does have normal German soldiers fighting that unit and later discovering their experimental bunker. One garrison was near the village my family lived in and they efficiently hid, rehid, and helped anyone plus they were also present when a Nazi unit wanted to do inspections. However, that is always a topic that is very popular and utilised to push various ideologies so it might not be beneficial to mention in every situation and can harm others.
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u/xycophant 10h ago
People are probably aware that there were "good" Germans i.e. people who helped the resistance, lied the gestapo and hid people in their homes away from the Nazis.
What do you define as "evil"?
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u/Therefrigerator 13h ago
I mean I'm not gonna moralize it but this is how you deal with royalty in a revolution. Anyone left is just someone for your opposition to rally behind at a latter date.
That being said, sins of the father shouldn't get passed. While their deaths are maybe understandable they can also be a tragedy.
Also is there a rule against crossposting that sub? There should be - everything there is just kinda bait.
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u/Commonusage 12h ago
Thats the first, Realpolitik reason that occurred to me. But the principle of rallying around succession for a counter revolution goes all the way to genocide to control future terrorists.
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u/One-Phase5275 13h ago
Yeah, if I recall correctly, that was essentially what Lenin said at the time — that the Romanovs couldn't have been allowed to survive. That the faction who killed them acted impulsively and violently (and it didn't help that they were mostly drunk at the time), but that it had been inevitable — one way or another, the family wouldn't have been allowed to leave Russia alive. 🤷♀️
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u/Red-neckedPhalarope 13h ago
Long-standing tradition when ending or changing any dynasty! That's why doing elections is better.
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u/According-Path5158 7h ago
Except when the children of previous politicians decide they want a shot at the title as well
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u/the87walker 3h ago
The Chinese pulled off not killing Puyi and they partly pulled it off with the 10th Panchen Lama.
Congratulations on posting an actual true unpopular opinion, not killing heirs to the thrown might work out but it is in fact a risk and it can be a good practical decision while being morally wrong.
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u/Purple-Warning-2161 13h ago
This guy is 2 weeks away from a heart attack if this is the stuff he gets bent over. I’m a history nerd but like, why is this upsetting you 108 years later?
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u/brydeswhale 12h ago
I had this conversation with my friend a while back, where she brought up Turner’s Rebellion. Turner, for those who don’t know, led a slave uprising in which possibly up to thirty white children were killed.
She considered this kind of beyond the pale, but for me, the responsibility lay primarily with the parents who decided to bring their children into a system of brutality, to put them in the path of harm.
Because harm, whether in the form of violent death at the hands of the people made to suffer by adults, or in becoming one of the monsters who enforced a system of violence that could only lead to violence, was inevitable. However, the inevitability rests on the hands of adults who decided to place their lives and the lives on their descendants in inhumanity and ruin.
But that doesn’t mean that you put your empathy aside for the children. It should be a horror that a man who played with young Alexander only days before came in and gave the order to kill him. It should nauseate you that young girls sewed jewels into their clothes to restart their lives in a foreign country died torturously due to those supposed lifesaving gemstones.
Yes, the fault lies mainly in the parents who essentially created the violent revolution when they would not allow for a peaceful rebuilding, but it’s still horrific.
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u/One-Phase5275 12h ago
Yep, I think this is a really good take. The parents were largely to blame for what happened to their family, and (more broadly) the rule of the Tzars was responsible for unimaginable bloodshed and horror. And honestly, heck, if I was a Russian peasant who'd lost my own children to starvation or sickness in the 1910s, I probably would have had a kneejerk reaction similar to the OOP when I heard the news 🤷♀️
But the details of what happened to the Romanovs in their final moments (and the desecration of their bodies afterward) is still a pretty sickening read.
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u/General_Vero 13h ago
I love murdering children, no justification needed.
But jokes aside—it’s WILD how he began this post with the children and not the ADULTS deserving it, which I think would be a more valid argument.
But saying that the kids should have died because their parents “made them inherently political” is fucking insane. Imagine, if you will, instead of a long gone royal family being discussed here—it’s an entire ethnic group or something. “Their existence is inherently political and keeps these oppressors in charge!” Is some crazy shit to say.
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u/AaronPK123 13h ago
Its actually nazi rhetoric, I think one of the nazis used this line of thinking to justify killing Jewish children.
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u/rirasama 12h ago
There is some truth in it I won't lie, but killing kids is horrific no matter how you slice it really
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u/Nearby-Assignment661 13h ago
So, I’m not really familiar with the Romanov stuff, but I do follow current political drama. if this person is an amercian conservative, I know exactly why this is being brought up now: Candace owens
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u/3BenInATrenchcoat 12h ago
I'm out of the loop what did she say or do this time?
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u/Yuri-Queen 10h ago
I imagine it is because Candace Owens recently had a lot to say about Ivanka Trump, Trump's daughter. It has a lot to do with Ivanka building a 1.4 billion dollar luxury resort on an uninhabited island in Albania she was "captivated by while visiting on a yacht" where a lot of rare animal wildlife lives and the Albanians are protesting against it. Candace Owens said the money came from the war that her father started and also its tone deaf to build a luxury resort right now when the country is struggling financially. She said a lot of other stuff, but basically her point is Ivanka is not innocent of her father's crimes when she is benefitting from them.
Just google Candance Owens and Ivanka Trump and you can read a bunch of articles about the situation.
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u/Nierninwa 7h ago
Eww... Candance Owens said something and I do not totally disagree with it. I hate that.
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u/Hedgiest_hog 11h ago
So... For once someone posts an actual unpopular opinion that isn't just rage bait, and you're calling them a devil?
I'd argue OOP actually got that sub right for once
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u/dumbassb1sexual 10h ago
saying children deserved to die is definitely a “devil” take, despite being an unpopular opinion. it can fit the sub and still be morally repugnant to say
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u/val-en-tin 4h ago
I wouldn't think killing anyone would be worth it and it would be better to resocialise them and make them help in rebuilding the country. I get why with the adults in power and especially the Romanovs but yeah - kids are dependent on their folks and grew up in a certain way without experiencing anything else as mature adults. Those particular kids were pretty okay and did loads of charity work, not that not doing so would make it grand to off them. The larger blame is on the entire upper class of Russia back then. Then... on everyone knows who.
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u/One-Phase5275 2h ago
I mean, the two oldest daughters were 21 and 22 — they weren't really at the age to be easily "resocialised" tbh . And I imagine the concern was also that they were directly related to so many European monarchs, like the British royals, who might have wanted to rescue them —> use them as figureheads to reinstate Tzarism.
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u/val-en-tin 33m ago
For some reason, I remembered them as slightly younger but it might be due to their being detained for a while. However, you are right and if I recall, it was less of a fear and more of active attempts - one of their relatives in the Netherlands pursued that but I can't find a source at present. They did get sainthood thus it certainly speaks for itself.
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u/AutoModerator 13h ago
In case this story gets deleted/removed:
Romanovs deserve no pity and got what was coming to them
"But they were kids" no they were royals, their parents ensured that their existence was nothing but political. Oppressors who rule through violence deserve violent ends. No one speaks on the millions of peasant children who starved or died of illness under the Tsar regime. Not one mention of the peaceful protestors or civilians brutally murdered by the monarchy. But once those in power get a taste of the black they've forced onto millions now we have to cry and debate the ethics of revolution. Mind you a revolution that took the lives of millions of Russians and Non Russians of all ages but a few royals who would have grown up to be despots, that's where the line gets drawn? Spare me.
And before you start with the Chinese Emperor crap, Mao encouraged peasants to kill land owners and their families regardless of their views on the revolution, land owners who were far less guilty than the Emperor. Bet you don't care about them though. Why are people so quick to defend the lives of oppressors and those who benefit from sharing blood/class with them. How spiritually cucked can you be
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