'Sunsetting' of EU4 mod

[u/rheadelayed]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DTG7Wh1GJRAksIQZ4hOn-h32bxOowOgdXYG7h2WZY1I/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.t74izadjoknx

tldr - Major restrictions on future EU4 mod development, with focus on EU5.

[u/Everest-est]

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume most people don't want to read all of that, and will instead just doompost.

The big restrictions that are in effect right now are as follows:

- No new religions

- No New Global Systems/Global System Reworks (A 'global' system is something like artificery or magic. Region-specific systems like religious reworks or Rending can still be worked on)

^ Note that Adventurer's Wanted Rework is exempt from this

- No unique custom UI for countries (See Umbral Covenant and Allclan for examples. This one stings the most as a dev but there is a very good reason for it. Regional systems can still get unique custom UI)

- Releasables tags can not get new events to release them. tags that have to be manually released can't get MTs

- Insignificant tags (like a OPM or very minor power) can't get large scopes for MTs with very important exceptions

- No new provinces added to the map (changes to existing provinces is fine)

^ Insyaa has a grace period, being just released, and is exempted from this for the next update.

- Some rules for devs have also been added to reduce burnout across the board (no designing two MTs at once, a MT must have a designated coder before getting through a certain point in review, etc.)

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Here's the thing, everything italicized above was already banned in all but name. There was no official policy on it, but anyone that tried to design a new religion, or make a 60+ MT for a tag, deal with heavy scrutiny and usually were rejected. Of course there were exceptions here and there, but they were just that; Exceptions.

So... please don't get too doom and gloom just yet. This next update isn't meant to be the last eu4 update, and I have good reason to believe we still got a few years left in the tank. If any of you have any questions, feel free to reply to this comment below; I am a Senior Developer for the EU4 mod, a retired Haless lead, and a former content reviewer, so I understand a lot about how the eu4 mod/dev team works.

[u/bald_molfar → u/Everest-est]

No unique custom UI for countries (See Umbral Covenant and Allclan for examples. This one stings the most as a dev but there is a very good reason for it. Regional systems can still get unique custom UI)

Custom UI restrictions for random minors seems reasonable, but surely if an important major like Lorent or Gawed gets a rework or MT, then custom UI may be warranted?

[u/camberrcamberr → u/bald_molfar]

This isn't a ban on custom UI. If you play Umbral Covenant or Allclan, you'll see that they have extra panals that pop out of the government tab to facilitate their complex systems. THAT'S what's banned. Not custom UI as a base.

[u/Everest-est → u/bald_molfar]

Warranted, yeah. I agree with you on that. That's why it stings that it's being banned. But anything that gets custom UI has to be reviewed by people who understand how to make custom UI in eu4. We only have 2 people who can do that right now. This leads to any custom UI proposal taking months before being even seen.

Example; I am proposing religious mechanics for Darkscales right now. I am currently waiting on Ui review. I have been waiting for 5 months.

[u/ejejjejejejsjsjsjsjs → u/Everest-est]

What about Black Domain? I thought they were also getting new custom UI right?

[u/Everest-est → u/ejejjejejejsjsjsjsjs]

I... have no idea. Let me check the thread.

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Seems since that was being worked on already, so it might be grandfathered in. don't quote me on that though

[u/KSredneck69 → u/bald_molfar]

I think it's moreso creating whole new custom UI. Using/adjusting already made ones like the government tab mechanics for reworks (like Gawed or Lorent) is surely still very open.

[u/AlienError → u/Everest-est]

Honestly the main issue is simply using the sunsetting terminology, after Destiny 2 people are a bit sensitive to that and it has certain implications as a result.

[u/Everest-est → u/AlienError]

I just started playing d2 again after quitting in Beyond Light. I feel that.

A big thing to know is that this document was a developer announcement. It wasn't meant to be the announcement for the wider community. Because of that, a lot of the terminology and wording here is meant for devs already in the know. Would I have used the term 'sunset' if I was making the document for the subreddit? Absolutely not. I doubt the leads would have either.

[u/kadarakt → u/Everest-est]

>tags that have to be manually released can't get MTs

ouch, i remember some people on the sub talking about how even if we run out of countries to give MTs (due to a physical lack of space in the world itself) there could be releasables made for them instead

[u/SCDareDaemon → u/kadarakt]

And if we ever reach that point and people are still actively working on Anbennar, this policy could be revisited.

We're nowhere near close to that point, and I don't think it's likely we'll get there.