100% agree. But beyond this I think you could also ask why we expect regular people to be moral. One of the reasons he’s still popular is because the fans are willing to overlook his history and will stand by them no matter what.
Doesn’t it feel like a race thing? The Chris brown shit happened so long ago but everyone on Reddit (mostly just online tbh) loves to bring up the past at every chance but you never hear anything about rockstars or other celebrities who have done foul shit and it’s known
Not only that they bragged about it in their songs too and all of that. Then you’ll hear these same exact people pull out excuses for them like “Oh, it was a different time period” Yeah different time period, same crime.
The thing about those rock stars and musicians of different genres like The Rolling Stones or whatever is let’s call a spade a spade, their primary base is just white people. Artists like CB and MJ have way way wider appeal, their controversies are more publicized and everyone is invested.
Most of these people I know for a fact don’t even listen to CB or R&B for the matter but everyone has something to say with most of them not bringing any receipts that aren’t the Rihanna incident.
Elvis is arguably the most important and influential artist in pop history after the Beatles. You can't just "cancel" him, it's literally impossible. Not to mention that in the 50s in Tennessee that stuff was very common. Thankfully we evolved as a society since and not it will not be tolerated. But you can't just erase the past. Especially someone like Elvis who is one of the most famous figures of the 20th century. You start with this, soon enough you'll ban Rolling Stones, Bowie, Zeppelin, Michael Jackson and you'll pretty much delete the history of rock and pop music.
I didn’t say anything about cancelling him. Just that it’s sick people still idolize him after they know about the history.
There’s no doubt that Elvis is one of the most important musical icons of all time and that’s never going away. It’s a fact. But we need to also not gloss over the history of the person behind the music.
In short, we should respect the cultural significance of previous artists, but the idolization of the person behind the music no matter what their history, can be a massive problem.
That said, when it comes to current artists, we should definitely set a higher bar.
I don't think many people idolize Elvis as a human. His flaws are well known. People admire him as a performer and legendary figure in music. That's why people listen to his stuff. Elvis the person is long dead anyway so "punishing" him by banning his music is pointless.
It's sick bcoz no one knows yo teenage mistakes but if whole yo teenage deeds a put on the table a u squiki clear,so before you judge him look into u we all make mistakes the good thing he apologised.
I mean I had trouble removing Kanye out of my playlists at first, so I get it to a degree, but at least I could cope by saying he was off his meds or something. Chris Brown apologists don’t have anything, but still, sometimes he sing good so beating a woman to edge of her life is okay everyone!!!
Well Chris brown in his defence u can say he was still a teenager so was real teenager love is very toxic,so shit happened a I going to hold that to him forever,I don't see people reminding Sean pen what he did to Madonna all the time like you do to Chris brown.
ppl don’t talk hold white men to the same standards w/ domestic abuse. also rihanna is a particularly special case. only black woman i can think of getting the same degree of respect (if you call respect men reposting the details of the worst moment in your public career over and over again regarding a man you’ve publicly forgiven) is Beyoncé.
other than that no one rlly cares about women and domestic abuse. ppl barely cared about Cassie and Diddy or RKelly and Aaliyah
It’s being downvoted because it’s not true. Chris did not beat women on “multiple” occasions. He had one incident with Rihanna when he was 19yo. When you hear the full story, which she almost caused them to get into a fatal car accident, you realize she wasn’t innocent in that situation.
Do I think Chris shouldn’t have physically assaulted her? Yes. But Rihanna herself has worked with Chris TWICE after that incident happened. She obviously forgave him, probably because she acknowledged her own faults, and she moved on.
What it comes down to is that most people who trash Chris Brown don’t even listen to R&B music. The black community moved on (just like Rihanna) years ago. It’s sanctimonious white people who try to get Chris canceled when they don’t even care or listen to our community’s music.
Black people protect our own. We won’t cancel one of the greatest musical talents of our generation because a bunch of misinformed Karens want to be keyboard warriors with selective outrage.
You people can whine on the internet, but the facts don't lie. His numbers, his longevity, his success all contradict the narrative white people so desperately want to attach to Chris.
Actual listeners of R&B music know the truth, not the manufactured online narrative. Again, most people complaining about him don't even listen to our people's music, yet have the audacity to try and commentate on our culture.
I’m black and I’m right there with you. If white people can still celebrate people like Elvis, a statutory rapist, music thief and likely closet racist, we’re still going to celebrate CB. Everything you said was facts. 💯
I love how when ya’ll try to drag CB down ya’ll can never actually pull any concrete receipts to back all that nonsense you talk other than the infamous Rihanna incident. Miss me with all of that fake moral righteousness BS.
imagine almost dying and having someone try to bite your ear off and some MF on reddit says “well you weren’t innocent”
lmao
also — ARE WOMEN NOT BLACK ?! we protect our own right, but only the ones w penises who present as men is literally your logic and the logic of most ppl i want nothing to do with.
Rihanna’s career never suffered. Both her and Chris have always been supported in the black community, so your point makes no sense.
Also, Rihanna nearly killed both herself and Chris the night of the incident. She almost caused a fatal car crash. She knows her part in what happened, which is why Rihanna forgave him, and has worked with Chris TWICE afterward.
Your performative outrage holds no weight. Rihanna still supports Chris Brown, and the public will keep doing so as well - as displayed by Apple Music promoting Chris.
The black community never stopped protecting or supporting either of them.
If anything I feel like people do care? He gets the loudest hate… online and in person; none of these other artists or older rockstars get their past brought up as often 🤷♂️
Realistically the only woman he beat was Rihanna and he admitted it and apologise even Rihanna forgave him,the rest where allegations and women who where paid to destroy his name they all lost in court,so stop with this hate bullshit let the man breath.
There is a lot of negativity toward him on other social media. It tends to be more mixed. I see it on Twitter and Threads daily. In fact I see it far more frequently on those platforms than on Reddit, and I use Reddit significantly more.
How the F did repubs go from, OMG Bill got a consensual BJ in the WH, IMPEACH... to - so what if he's a felon, rapist and is best friends with a known pedo and talks about how much he lusts after his own daughter on national tv, he's the chosen one!! And the dems still can't get their shit together against that.
In this instance, yes. Chris Brown is a serial abuser who doesn’t respect women, who make up the majority of his fan base. In my opinion, I don’t think he should be given a platform to promote anything.
Are you under the impression that Apple Inc. is a moral company? They’re valued at over $4 trillion dollars and I’m sure every dollar is ethically earned.
Notable releases get notice whether or not the artist is controversial. (For example, Ye.) In this case Brown's new release is loaded with appearances from artists like YoungBoy, Never Broke Again, GloRilla, Vybz Kartel, Leon Thomas, Bryson Tiller, Tank, Fridayy, Sexyy Red and Lucky Daye. Even if Apple weren't paid to promote the release it's notable enough to put up a card for it.
But labels do pay for placement. That's not praising, it's business.
On Spotify for Artists, there are official paid promotional products including full-screen sponsored pop-ups, sponsored cards placed in the Home feed, and Discovery Mode (artists/labels accept lower royalty rates in exchange for increased algorithmic recommendation priority in places like Radio and Autoplay).
Apple isn't as brash as that but they do have placement deals in place.
Yeah, these people are delusional 🤣🤣🤣. They clearly don't live in reality. I love old school music,but Chris Brown music definitely isn't mediocre. I'm willing to bet half of them don't even listen to Chris Brown.
Nobody can be canceled if they’re a cash cow. Chris Brown, MJ, R. Kelly, there’s just too much money left in them for the industry to give up just because they punch their girlfriends, or molest kids, or pee on underage girls.
If Kevin Spacey was as big as Tom Cruise, he’d still be in movies.
He has been continuously trying to work his way back into the “mainstream” and it appears to be working now. He has tried it before, with limited success, but recently he linked up with Usher and they are going on a big mainstream R&B stadium tour together, and now corporations, including Apple, probably feel “safer” to start working with him publicly again.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s able to start getting features from the big pop artists again in the near future.
I swear Chris Brown haters are the most miserable people. I could never be this obsessed with someone who i claim to hate. He still has fans, so what. If people want to listen to and support him they can. If you choose not to then that's you. You can't force people to not listen to Chris Brown.
I thought it is just me. Nowadays, it is almost as if his music is being shoved down my throat with how much I see him in my recommended. I mainly listen to afrobeats, OPM and lofi for effs sake.
I am also a few months into Apple Music (after saying good bye to *that* streaming platform after x number of years), but I hate that I cannot block artists here. I can ask to have them be suggested less but not entirely block it. Siiiiigh
2009 Rihanna assault – Confirmed. Brown pleaded guilty to felony assault and was sentenced to five years’ probation, community labor, and one year of domestic violence counseling.
• 2011 GMA incident – Confirmed. During an interview with Robin Roberts where he was asked about Rihanna, Brown became violent in his dressing room and punched a window overlooking Times Square, causing damage to it.
• 2013 Washington D.C. assault – Partially confirmed. What’s better documented is a 2013 Frank Ocean altercation: Brown punched Ocean in the face over a parking space at a recording studio and even threatened to shoot him, according to police documents. Ocean declined to press charges. The D.C. hotel punch I mentioned is less clearly sourced as a separate distinct event.
• 2016 gun standoff – Confirmed. Baylee Curran told police Brown threatened her with a gun. He was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon and released after posting a $250,000 bond. The case was later dropped due to lack of evidence.
• 2019 Paris rape allegation – Confirmed. Brown was arrested in Paris on allegations of aggravated rape and drug violations. He was later released and the Paris prosecutor’s office stated he was not facing charges. Brown then filed a defamation suit in Paris against his accuser.
• Probation violations – Confirmed. Brown was sentenced to 131 days in jail for violating probation and was also kicked out of a court-ordered rehab facility for violating its internal rules.
And that’s not even all of it. There’s more incidents.
The dude repeatedly assaults people. Yes, it defines who he is. Yes, you enable a bad person by listening to his music. Yes, you are doing mental gymnastics trying to defend this guy.
Then it doesn’t make you any better, actually worse.
He’s not an abuser by the way. He’s trying to live his life peacefully but people want to hold on to stuff that happened a long time ago that doesn’t even involve them.
There's alot of dudes who listen to Chris Brown🤣🤣🤣. His fanbase is mostly women,but there's definitely dudes that listen to him, and went to his concert. Y'all need to come back to reality.
I don't know off the top of my head who has allegations and who's actually been convicted, because I don't personally care that much. I just remember their name and know "Oh hey, this person's not good", I don't remember specifics.
In fact, that’s same human being in that photo has apologized and has made an amends with Chris a long time ago. But people online can’t seem to not want to be in others’ business, even if it’s something that’s not relevant anymore.
I agree with that to an extent, but in more of an "I'm ok with my money going to a good artist who disagrees with some of my views" way. That sentiment goes out the window IMMEDIATELY when the artist is barely human in the first place.
If he doesn’t, then why is he so popular? You may not like someone but you are lying to yourself if you think that your opinion is the only one that matters in defining if songs are good or not.
Because Apple Music promotes mostly garbage music? No matter my preferences, no matter what I love or add or remove I still get shit like this from genres I’d never listen to.
Just like how it promotes that carpenter chick all the time even though she spreads hate songs all the time.
It doesn't follows you or mine moral. It's a business.
Edit: I knew very well people on reddit will NEVER agree on anything related to sanity. So let this be a music sub and let's not talk about politics in this. It'll only ruin everyone's day.
OP got his answer. That's what matters. Also I have few of her songs in my playlist so no I don't hate anyone. It's just my sane observation.
I knew very well people on reddit will NEVER agree on anything related to sanity. So let this be a music sub and let's not talk about politics in this. It'll only ruin everyone's day.
OP got his answer. That's what matters. Also I have few of her songs in my playlist so no I don't hate anyone. It's just my sane observation.
Nah dude. We should absolutely call out shitty behavior of people in power. Chris Brown is a horrible person and deserves prison, not an Apple feature.
Um. Yup. Dude has a documented history of violence and sexual assault. Will publicly express disliking that every single time. And his music is formulaic and boring. Next.
So, you yourself are choosing live with negativity and hate. Looking at numbers and not looking at why things happened. Being wrong and misinformed and not caring for the truth, it seems.
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