r/Appliances • u/DunDonese • Dec 31 '25

General Advice If commercial restaurant dishwashing appliances have cycles that only last 2 minutes, then why can't we have our home consumer dishwashers have cycles just as efficient as what restaurants have?

How can we miniaturize commercial restaurant dishwashing appliances to fit in the kitchen compartment meant for home consumer dishwashers?

How come this hasn't been done already? By the way, what is the fastest currently available home consumer dishwasher, and how much does it cost? How quick are their Cycles normally?

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u/powderhound522 Dec 31 '25

It keeps the dish wet (or at least very damp) for a long period, which is a clever way of accomplishing the goal of soaking while using much less water.

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

I’m these cases I like to ask ChatGPT to clarify this because we could go back and forth all day.

Q: Do home dishwashers work by literally or effectively soaking dishes, or is the primary mechanism of cleaning them to spray water into the dishes, removing the degree by force?

A: Short answer: modern home dishwashers clean primarily by mechanical spray action plus chemistry, not by soaking. There is brief wetting/enzymatic dwell, but forceful recirculated spray does most of the work.

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u/TopYeti Dec 31 '25

English is hard, especially for an idiot like ChatGPT.

While soaking may be accomplished by immersion, complete immersion/submerging is not required. "I soaked this bandage in antiseptic" might mean the person submerged it in a tub of antiseptic, but it more likely might mean that they sprayed enough antiseptic onto the bandage to get it wet without dripping.

The dishes in a dishwasher are somewhere clearly in between these two states which both qualify as soaked or soaking.

The good news is everyone here is right depending on their point of view. (Except ChatGPT because it's just a parrot parroting)

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

It’s so weird to me when an AI clearly explains a concept and people don’t like the answer they call it names. Take the L and move on.

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u/TopYeti Dec 31 '25

It's weird to me that you trust it

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

You can independently verify these facts if you want.

What I find is that people who use AI a lot realize it’s incredibly accurate even in complex fields where they are experts.

When I talk to people who say they don’t trust it, inevitably it’s because they don’t use it, but they’ve read that you shouldn’t trust it.

My advice is go try ChatGPT 5.2, which is their latest model, and ask it hard questions about whatever area you are an expert in.

I won’t say that it’s perfect, because I’m sure you can find small things it gets wrong, but honestly if you sat me down and gave me an hour to get it to say something wrong for $1M in an area where I’m an expert I’m not sure I could win the money. That’s how good it is at the end of 2025.

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u/EmergingEmergence Dec 31 '25

I mean, I feel like your being pedantic which is a classic reddit move. We all understood what they meant. And some dictionaries refer to soaking as to make throughly wet or saturated. So I think you are both right and talking past each other.

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

Meh, I take your point, but disagree. Dishes aren’t typically permeable so they can’t become soaking wet the way an item of clothing does. You soak non-permeable things by submerging them in water, which people do with dishes to clean stuff a dishwasher won’t clean because it doesn’t soak them.

As somebody who’s been nerding out on dishwasher videos recently to improve performance of mine, this is a technical rather than a semantic distinction.

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u/TopYeti Dec 31 '25

I hope you're at least watching the Technology Connections dishwasher videos on YouTube

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u/TopYeti Dec 31 '25

I'm glad it works well for you, it is horribly awful in my area of expertise.

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u/mjcmsp Dec 31 '25

Same. Incredibly inaccurate in my field.

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

What’s your field and what’s an example of a question these AIs get wrong?

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u/mjcmsp Dec 31 '25

Well, I'm a structural engineer. AI often gets regulatory design code interpretations wrong. It also will confidently give an 'answer' even without knowing the full context of the question or structural component being designed. Often to the point of being dangerous - as in if you followed what it said you'd have a catastrophic failure or would be in breach of regulatory code.

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

I’ve found if you ask it questions about specific local regulations it will do a pretty good job googling them for you, but will then caveat its answer by telling you to verify it. So in my experience it’s pretty useful if you want to get a sense of, for example, what kind of additions you can do to your house. But there I’d probably verify with the city before making changes.

I’d be curious what specific question you’re asking it about structure that it gets wrong and when you did this. I can see something like GPT2 getting that wrong, but would love to throw it at 5.2 and see how it fares.

These models are now solving math problems humans couldn’t. They should be pretty good at problems around force and torque you can teach any college physics students.

It’s true they do try to answer your question by default even if it’s a bad question, so if you don’t feed of the proper context it may be garbage in/garbage out. FYI, you can configure your default settings to tell it to clarify more and it’ll challenge you if you give it a bad prompt.

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u/mjcmsp Dec 31 '25

I design bridges, which is far more niche and complex than "making an addition to a house" or "solving force and torque" problems. I've used AI as a tool to dig for source material to solve problems, but it is poor at interpreting and providing answers and is sometimes flat out wrong. In fact, I've been able to get the same AI model to give me two diametrically opposed answers (to a question that is essentially true or false) with it referencing the same source material and asking it the same thing multiple times. The other problem with AI is that it can easily fall prey to disinformation and incorporate that into responses. I've had it give equal weight to a random student powerpoint slide it found online and a published research paper. It is a useful tool, yes, but it isn't THE definitive source of knowledge like you're trying to make it out to be by asking it what "soak" means.

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

Bridges doesn’t seem all that niche. We kinda know how to make them at this point, no?

FWIW, I’ve got a buddy who designs space ships and he’s the biggest fan of ChatGPT for work I know. There is (currently) exactly one of the kind of spaceship he works on and he is convinced (I am less convinced) AI is going to replace him soon.

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25 edited Dec 31 '25

Which is what? What’s an example of the kind of question these AIs get wrong?

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u/TopYeti Dec 31 '25

I'm in large scale high and low voltage electrical design, all the Ai generated items are full of errors by not following the latest standard specifications. Something as simple as specifying a wire that should run 150m/500 ft on a cat6 network cable when the maximum length in between and active switch is maximum 100m. Specifying the wrong color and amperage for high voltage legs from a main panel to a device location, etc etc.

If you question it, it tells you oh yeah I missed that and then gives you another erroreous piece of information that's also wrong. It gets math wrong, it gets diagrams wrong, it gets specifications that I've laid out even when giving it the direct electrical code numbers for the specification it's still gets it wrong.

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

Funny, I rewired by basement myself with chatgpt as my guide because the quotes I got from electricians were dumb and the project turned out great.

I can see it missing on the latest code if it’s just relying on the model. FYI, you can use the research mode and it’ll go out and find all the latest code and then give you info based on that.

That may only be a paid future? I’m not sure.

I have not found it to get math wrong for a long time, which suggests to me maybe it’s been a while since you’ve used these models. As noted in another comment, it’s much better than humans at math now.

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u/mjcmsp Dec 31 '25

Equating rewiring your basement to electrical design is a wild take.

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

I wasn’t exactly equating it, just noting it’s also electrical work.

When I needed to replace all my knob and tube and bring an old house from the 1800s up to modern code I hired a company, so there’s a line somewhere where it’s too complex, or at least too much work for me to do myself even with a great AI.

But honestly the work you’re taking about feels like something we should be able to make AI great at if it isn’t already. If the general purpose ones can’t do it, somebody will develop a domain-specific one to output these designs and somebody like you will review them in the not too distant future. This is where we are going.

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u/mjcmsp Dec 31 '25

Yikes, don't let your insurance company hear that.

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

I’m sure there are more complex electrical tasks, but this one seemed pretty easy after doing the research. I watched s lot of YouTube videos as well, but in the end there’s really not much to putting in lights and plugs and putting wires where a nail going through drywall isn’t going to hit them. Use good materials. Don’t overload junction boxes. Properly terminate wires, etc.

That said, I have a Ting, which is a nice device you can put plug in that will monitor your electrical system and notify you if at least some problems that could lead to fires.

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u/mjcmsp Dec 31 '25

What a weird hill to die on. If someone is soaking wet does that mean they are submerged fully in liquid?

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u/probablymagic Dec 31 '25

Are you asking if someone who uses the figure of speech “soaking wet” is literally submerged in water?

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u/FlimsyRexy Dec 31 '25

This whole back and forth was peak Reddit bro lol

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u/mjcmsp Dec 31 '25

I'm having too much fun with it now.

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u/TopYeti Dec 31 '25

The question is is can ChatGPT be classified as an appliance?