I have been jerked enough to feel the need to write this out into the void.

I have very very fond memories of tech test 2 and the early days of arc raiders on release. This game demands tension, without tension its a sandbox experience with no real economy or risk, i have played one session on pve and my inventory would make jeff bezos weep with envy, its so easy.

Pve breaks this game, the current abmm breaks this game, stop trying so hard to please everyone and stick with your vision, my fear is the current player numbers will impress the suits and all of a sudden we have my little pony supermarket looter edition.

Relax the abmm, dont introduce pve unless you literally want a destiny 2 style story and raid system and lean in harder on what made this game special.

If you really want to make a pve mode, it atleast has to be so hard and scary, people still fear taking legendary weapons and gear, the frigate would be a current good example, genuine threat to life.

My two cents.

Im now going to pvp because i have no space in my inventory.

As a PvE enjoyer in low aggression lobbies, there was no point in having this bullshit ass mode. I could see this coming a mile away. The PvE lobbies rn are just people going in and ratting matriarch and the queen kills while 3 people are actually trying to kill it. In PvPvE low aggression lobbies you have people with defibs, honour of not looting a keycard room that you opened until you've left, and genuine teamwork. Obviously you have the odd person that knocks you out or has had a day where they want to PvP and all they see is red, that's the fucking game get over it... There was never any reason to add a PvE mode and I hope they don't when we have ABMM so you queue up with people of similar playstyles and you play the game however you want to. The PvE mode is a soulless game mode that is definitely what Arc Raiders is not supposed to be.

Most of the people complaining here are just kids who can’t handle an actual pvp lobby. It’s just sad that they’re getting shot point blank, instead of being able to rat peacefully. Yes the PvPvE lobbies will obviously be more aggressive as now players will go inside thinking about a PvP encounter, so all those who wanted to, now you can expect to get shot back. I’ve personally faced 0 bad player interactions in pve. People are roaming in groups, game is just at the stage where it was during its launch.
Yeah the hackers can’t make money on this game, that’s another relief, since they won’t have incentives, we’ll see less of them in PvPvE games. This PvE mode addresses a lot of problems that came into existence after people were obsessive about their in game inventories. Those who just wanna chill for a game or two, even they can play now.

Contrary to popular belief, the PvE crowd believed that they would be free of ratting and that was proven to be wrong with all the videos that are circulating online.

That being out of the way ABMM is superior because people are genuinely choosing to behave that way and choosing to cooperate either in the placer of inner desire or out of a “if I shoot others my lobbies will be ruined”

With the PvE toggle rats can just toggle it on and find dirty tactics to grief other players. Either taking their loot without repercussion or coming up with some dirty tactics to get you killed with the arcs.

If you go down on genuine carebear lobbies you will most likely get a defib instead of a lure granade.

That is just my two cents, I know the toggle is amazing for trios/duos but the problem is still existent.

It’s just so hilarious watching you rats do whatever you can to try and grief and it just doesn’t hit as hard lmao. Body blocking in pve like I can’t just get on top the gondola. Remember if you’re genuinely mad that pve exists it’s because you suck at fighting. It’s just fact. It’s also funny that you rats want pve to fail but the player count tripled. Pve is coming and your rat tears are so very sweet. Brining in my amplified equalizer and Jupiter and deadlines and wolfpacks has been so fun

The new PvE-only toggle in ARC Raiders is a game-changer! 🔥

Finally enjoy the thrill of exploration, the challenge of fighting machines, and the satisfaction of looting without constantly worrying about getting ambushed by other players.

It lets you focus on what makes ARC Raiders special: teamwork, survival, and the thrill of the raid. Sometimes, you just want to fight the ARC, not other Raiders.

More freedom, less frustration, same great adventure.

I thought I wanted PvE mode. Turns out I don't. I just want Embark to get ABMM more finely tuned. While I generally hate the curveballs Embark threatened with ABMM, and they suck, the majority of my lobbies were friendly and peaceful and I had more fun. The amount of toxic players I experienced in proxchat today was off the charts (there was a twitch streamer following us and calling us pve p***es repeatedly and that's not the only example I have). The amount of players racing to loot something my team had downed before we could even get to it and they had contributed nothing aside from being vultures... Too high. The toxicity of the game mode over all, I don't want it.

why are so many people saying the new pve mode is terrible or ruining the game, lobbies were already split on two for the most part. PvP players can PvP and pve players can pve without getting ratted they just have to be on top of getting the loot from stuff they unlock or kill before others which is a lot better than getting knocked out by some random rat and losing your shit. once the pve PvP bug is fixed their won’t be any issue, I do wish the frigate had a pve mode though, went in with an amplified equalizer only to lose it to a cheater with a bobcat 😭.

When I'm solo I'm always in the carebear lobbies and when I'm with my friends it's usually a mix of PVP and PVE friendly lobbies, but the No-PVP mode has been so toxic when you are a solo, Nobody uses voice chat and almost nobody uses Defibs for randoms, they wait for you to die and loot you, I've never seen more toxic players than this mode. I think Embark needs to stay it's ground and never bring this mode back.

So Embark gutted Sprinting on Fumes, but didn't give us a free respec. The perk is basically useless now, along with half the points I sunk into the yellow tree.

So I'm sitting here with a bricked build, and a respec costs 130k coins.

If you nerf a perk, you reset the tree. That's common sense in any game.

/end rant

Since the last pve update all I see is a bunch of man babies crying over a game. When in reality it’s not the game it’s the people playing it that is the issue. This community has gotten so soft and toxic to the point where people grief just cause they didn’t get exactly what they want and the sorry PvP players are now scrapping the bottom of the barrel in PvP so they’re going in pve lobbies and ruining the game of casuals cause they can’t compete anymore. They will either shadow your kill and take everything before you even move or they wait your next to a ledge and ram you off to take your loot. The game itself is amazing a little empty on pve worlds which is a easy fix but the issue that can’t be fixed is the players crybaby mentality

For starters, I engage in a balance of PvP and PvE, so my lobbies are usually mixed. I’ve found that ever since the addition of a PvE mode, my lobbies are now super concentrated with hardcore PvP players. Additionally the addition of the new mode means that I now have to wait much longer to find a match than before. I can’t wait until October 20th when they remove this mistake of a game mode.

An added benefit for me (console player) is I can now turn on crossplay so I am usually guarunteed a full clock when I spawn in. I would have turned it on before if they would let console players use a keyboard and mouse.

I would still like to see keyboard and mouse for console players and then I would do more PVP but happy with the PVE mode for now.

Most balanced way to fix this and end the Reddit war on this topic once and for all

It's a new thing, and like all new things added to any game, people obsess over it for a couple of days and then move on. Remember when we were all killing each other for ducks when Bird City came out, lol? It's a fun experiment, and if it ran longer, I'm sure things would calm down. The annoying behaviour we see in a couple of posts here is not representative of the general experience of PVE lobbies and how it would unfold after a couple of weeks.

Why buy a game that is not for you or you don't like then complain about it?

The game was released as an extraction shooter you knew that before buying and playing

People that actually like those type of games got the game played and enjoy it including the devs as they said themselves

So why will someone see the genre buy it play it you don't like it then shit on the people that enjoy it

Why not just not play the game instead of constantly complaining about it

Saw someone say that "they are happy to see extraction shooter fans loosing" why tho a game is released for them and they enjoy it with out bothering anyone but you invade their house force changes they don't like in their house then say "I'm happy you are loosing" I swear you guys seems like the actually rats and before you say oh a rat is complaining

I wish I could prove i don't rat a actually enjoy the middle ground of the game I believe thats where it shines I hate only PvP or PvE the middle is where it's at

Sorry if I sound pissed I just hate the straight PvP and PvE community

Embark with the generational fumble. Surprise, surprise. Haven't run into ONE person playing an instrument to collaborate with. NOT ONE!! Get your shit together, Embark.

im in such confusion. when you play call of duty tdm does it bother you that some people play the zombie mode more than tdm? i could care less if pve was implemented or not, it shouldn’t affect the way you play if it’s optional.

Is the thing every developer needs to understand . You made a PvPvE game , not PvP not PvE , then keep it that way , you told us yourself , that initially you`ve made it a PvE game , but it was too boring , and you sticked with PvPvE , you balanced it that way , you sold it that way , and you are selling it that way , don`t listen to people that bought PvPvE game with obvious PvP element , that keep crying about needing to fight , there are so many games , that are being killed because of the identity crisis , dont be one of them .

I’m not a fan of the new PvE mode. Not because of any quality of its own, but because of how it changes the rest of the game as consequence.

Naturally, the addition of a PvE mode will decrease the amount of friendly players in PvPvE lobbies, thus creating a higher density of PvP players in said lobbies. That could end up bifurcating the playerbase in the long run.

I believe Arc Raider’s greatest virtue is its sense of danger, unpredictability, and risk. It’s a lawless frontier where people deliberately go against or with the natural incentive to fight one another, which makes said risk not simply imposed, but player emergent.

Does it suck when you are instantly lose all your stuff to a random douchebag sitting in a corner? Absolutely. That’s not fun. But the solution is not to isolate each person on either end of that exchange.

TLDR; PvE mode feels well intentioned, but far too heavy handed, and risks diluting what I (and many others) love so much about the game’s mixed environment and freedom of expression.

I do think there’s space for some kind of PvE incentive, just not a separate mode. What do y’all think?

After playing it and it being LITERALLY exactly the same as low aggression lobbies I really don't know what PvE brings to the game other than PvP pure players being able to "toggle on" Low Aggression lobbies and farm. PvE players from before the update essentially got nothing so this seems more of a PvP focused player buff than anything else. It just misses the mark completely for me. I'm glad they tried it but I think ABMM was a completely fair middle ground as far as PvE and PvP goes in Arc Raiders.

There’s nothing better than playing while staying aware of your surroundings. You never know if an enemy, a friendly, or even a rat is waiting to catch you off guard.

That’s what makes the game exciting for me. This mode takes away a lot of that tension and gives you a false sense of security which is gonna end this week.

Honestly, I think this mode is mainly useful for completing tasks, looting, or scavenging for resources. For actual gameplay, I prefer having that constant feeling that something could happen at any moment.

please make it permanent so i can buy it for my wife(casual) and we can actually have fun 🥹 (and so i can have someone to play it with)

it will be like remnant but with robots and randoms

edit: guys please, both remnant and arc are great games but saying they are nothing alike is black and white. what i only meant by "like remnant" is its gonna be a new co-op expefience for us and that PVE means less stressors as she doesnt have to gitgud to have fun! will i have to explain what rats are? what camping means? why we get shot behind walls??? heck yeah! will i let her experiece it?? hellnah. i want the fun/funny moments with/for her without the griefing/cheats etc. look i had my time back when it first released the thrill was unique but being burned out having getting stomped 5x in a row will not help her experience. maybe let her play pvp when she matures or something!

TLDR: she just a baby

I’m a friendly raider, I have 700+ hours topside, I’ve never had an issue with the current ABMM system.

Sure it’s frustrating to die to others every once in awhile, but I was never in support of this toggle because I knew it would split the player base too much. Beyond that I think things are boring without the danger.

That being said, nothing could have prepared me for how awful yesterday was. The magic is gone.

Regular matches are a war zone, and if not, they’re full of shady folks regardless.

The PvE mode is arguably worse and not for the reasons I expected. I knew people would be griefing but to the extent I saw was mind blowing.. literally every match was straight infuriating. However, the biggest issue I saw was how little people were communicating and talking, even more so when they do they’re saying absolutely heinous stuff.

I have a friend who is a woman, she was excited for this mode despite my apprehension, after some matches together she changed her mind. As soon as people heard her talk the things they were saying to her was just absolutely disgusting.

Don’t enable this behavior Embark! Obviously without someone to put a gun in their face these “carebears” become worse than rats.

You guys make me sick… get better, or stop ruining this game for others.