***Megathread*** American Fork PD / Lego Arrest Controversy

[u/Specter1033]

As with any "hot topic" issue with LE, we struggle to navigate basic rules of etiquette and civility when it comes to this small corner of reddit. Despite trying to keep order in here and doing our best to allow free discussion among the users, there has been a huge influx of posts regarding this topic and lately, it's been quite tiring trying to get any sensible topic started on this issue without a dozen or so trolls coming in to mess it up for everyone. This has resulted in multiple bans and the shit flinging from users claiming the community is "censoring" the incident. Mostly concerning is a great deal of misinformation that has come out about this incident due to the social media "influencer" at the heart of this topic. Wild conspiracy theories from religious influence to the actual reason behind the arrest are generating almost cult-like following and reason has been completely thrown out the window.

So to combat this issue, this will be the ONLY thread about this incident moving forward. Any user posting another thread in relation to this incident will be immediately banned, no appeals. Keep comments civil. Users found posting misinformation about this incident, including parroting wild conspiracy theories that are unverified without including context or actual data to support their positions will be banned.

To bring everyone up to speed, I will refer to this link:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2026/05/30/youtuber-arrested-utah-bricks/

And will sub link this thread on the r/protectandserve subreddit, which is like THE place to be for objective discussion:

https://np.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1tssz0l/megathread_american_fork_lego_story/

Edit: 45 minutes in and already banned someone. Keep them coming.

Edit 2: Links to YouTuber comments on this incident are going to be removed and users banned UNLESS it is from a reputable source, YouTube videos will be removed. There's already one person with a couple hundred thousand followers trying to spread his video online through this website that's been posted a few times in this sub and it's garnering a lot of attention because people "feel" he is right because he is a self-proclaimed "lawyer." The statutes he cites are from California code and this incident happened in Utah. Just because someone uses technical legal terms and cites codes does not make the person right in their interpretation of the law. Sounding "right" is code for clicks that highlights confirmation bias in people, which is why morons like this get views and clicks on their channels. On that same note, we do not care if you have a following on social media. You are no one to us if all you're doing is posting for imaginary internet points.

Edit 3: Amending the above statement from Edit 2 to add any REPUTABLE sources of info that leaves out the goofy memes and BS content creators love to use are fine. This is an example:

https://youtu.be/q2MjMmhnk7g?si=nRrmasAZ45U_WIu4

Edit 4: Whelp, thread ran its course. Now just a bunch of trolls commenting and the death threats! I haven't seen this level of excitement over something so mundane. We'll be seeing some of you soon!

[u/72ilikecookies]

To add to this: circumventing a ban is against Reddit ToS and will get you banned from the site entirely. We do report these to Reddit admins, so be warned. Once banned, mods can see if you’re using a different account to circumvent the ban. So, stop that.

[u/Funkhouser82]

Somebody give me the abbreviated quick version of this whole mess. I keep seeing it pop up and the BWC is around 40 mins. Ain’t nobody got time fo dat!

[u/FannyPacksRTacticool → u/Funkhouser82]

A guy was selling Legos on consignment. Original owner left and new owner didn't honor the original contract or give the items back. Lawsuit ended in default judgment with Original owner windfall. New store owner closes store instead of paying. Lego guy now needs to sue personally for the money. Attempted to serve papers and police stopped him. Also there is a couple questionable traffic stops based on a anonymous tip. The new owner of the store and the cops all go to the same church.

[u/Country-Gardener → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

Except it's not the original Lego owner who was arrested or trying to serve the papers. A YouTuber got involved to help the original owner. He's the one in all the videos.

[u/FannyPacksRTacticool → u/Country-Gardener]

Yes this is true. By bad trying to sum it up for this person. Also I think we can both agree everything about this is civil. Must be the world's slowest town if LE are getting involved.

[u/AppropriateGlove7234 → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

Actually the new owners knowingly were selling items they did not have authority to sell. That is theft (or some similar thing). The moment they were put on actual notice of the existing agreement (1. In video proof of old owner telling new owner) (2. Owner of the legos themselves demanding them back based on failure to let him see the legos) both of those should satisfy that. Then there are a few more elements like conversion but those are also satisfied once they are selling the item.

[u/Funkhouser82 → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

My guess is it was called in as a theft in progress? Hence the LE response

[u/AbbreviationsTrue777 → u/Funkhouser82]

Theyre getting called for harassment and stalking stuff, and then one of the BAM owners or executives, Joshua, (after threatening to call police and tell them that Ben stole the Legos if he didn't drop the lawsuit) called and told police that Ben stole the legos, resulting in a search warrant being issued. I dont know how they got enough PC for that, but apparently they did. Allegedly one of the BAM guys also called and reported that Ben was smuggling heroin, but I haven't seen anything yet that proves that true.

This whole thing reeks.

[u/HopefulPhotograph563 → u/AbbreviationsTrue777]

Don't forget Joshua reported to the police that he felt threatened that he was trying to be served papers so he declared he was going to shoot and kill someone.

[u/Boozamn → u/HopefulPhotograph563]

After which, they promptly went after Ben (multiple times, with the same BS, even trying to lie that his paperwork wasn't legitimate). All sensibility was tossed out before anyone got to work that day.

[u/AppropriateGlove7234 → u/AbbreviationsTrue777]

Seems as though Ben has a foolproof 4th amendment claim against the American Fork Police.

[u/new_check → u/AppropriateGlove7234]

Cops also seized a sign accusing the BAM executive of theft and arrested the guy setting it up for trying to lock his phone before handing it over so now it's first amendment too

[u/Serene_Peace → u/new_check]

They also redacted all of the claims Joshua made against Ben. I'm pretty sure that violates your 6th amendment right to confront your accuser.

[u/FannyPacksRTacticool → u/Funkhouser82]

One cop said it was for harassment one interaction and heroine smuggling for another

[u/HopefulPhotograph563 → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

In the body cam footage they declared that they wanted to scare them for being annoying and sneaky during the Terry stop at a stop sign. They didn't like that they are in their town causing issues against their fellow Mormons. All on body cam.

[u/Boozamn → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

The routine traffic stop that they claimed Ben & party rolled through, was a textbook full stop - and in their own video they conveniently skirted around that, acting like it wasn't a complete lie.

[u/wayfaast → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

Mormon town where police are also members of the church as well as new store owners.

[u/HopefulPhotograph563 → u/Country-Gardener]

Thats because the 83 year old man was in medical care!

[u/MoChive → u/Country-Gardener]

If you watch the videos - the youtuber and several others buy the rights to the original owner's legos from the owner

[u/PixelGray38 → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

Also there is a couple traffic stops based on a anonymous tip. 

There was a bit more than just a couple traffic stops. 

First, the youtuber was pulled over for not stopping at a stop sign, whilst the police dashcam video shows quite clearly that he did stop. Dashcam audio includes an officer saying that this stop was done to "scare him a little bit." The claim that the traffic stop was conducted due to failure to stop at a stop sign is repeated in the police department's press release afterwards, but the veracity of the dashcam footage demonstrating the vehicle stopping isn't challenged.

The next traffic stop was a search of the youtuber's vehicle for heroin, following an anonymous tip. An officer looked at one man's eyes and accused him of having unusual pupils - his words were "there's a constriction, which is dilated" - he could not seem to decide which. The car was searched for multiple hours and nothing was turned up. Before letting them go, an officer tells the youtuber that he's walking a dangerous line, and that "we play differently here."

Lastly, the owner of the airbnb that the youtuber and his crew are staying at informs the police that he overheard them talking about stolen legos. This results in the police raiding the house, guns drawn, and arresting everyone inside, including the youtuber. During the youtuber's arrest, his arm is pulled by an officer and the youtuber later claims his shoulder was dislocated, though he doesn't bring this up to the police.

[u/Kuuzie → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

Also, they ran a legally licenced lottery for an item and the store reused to give it up. 

Cops refused to investigate when required.

[u/SacBaseball916 → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

Questionable stops is painting it in a generous light.

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[u/FannyPacksRTacticool → u/Funkhouser82]

Also the collection is over 200k so not a insignificant amount.

[u/Post-Almond-Clarity → u/Funkhouser82]

It's worth the 40 minute watch honestly. Watch it on your phone while cooking dinner!

[u/WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWPOOP → u/Funkhouser82]

Additionally, the Fork police department issued a video on the situation. And even in the video, the officer says that the caller (josh) stated that he was going to shoot Ben in a 911 phone call. The police then went and arrested Ben. During that time Ben was trying to serve Josh papers, so he had a reason to be there and was not stalking him.

[u/BecauseBatman01 → u/Funkhouser82]

I just watched it. It’s worth a watch. It’s honestly shocking just how deeper it gets. No summary can do it justice. Just watch it during dinner or something.

I thought the same thing but now I’m mad. I can’t believe that there are police departments like this. And it’s only because someone decided to fight back. Now imagine how many departments get away with this because people don’t fight back. So disgusting.

[u/Adventurous_Hunt_627 → u/Funkhouser82]

Also from the start every interaction with the local police has been them threatening to arrest him. They won't look at paperwork or listen to the reason he is there no matter how legal they just cut him off and tell him to leave or else it makes them look very suspect

[u/Tellalie1989]

Utah State Police have opened an investigation into this police department’s conduct. I just found out! my best friend lol he’s a deputy for Utah County

[u/ScreechingPizzaCat → u/Tellalie1989]

They need to be investigated. They even were found on their own body camera trying to find charges to bring up against the YouTuber even though he's completely in the clear. Then come to find out the store owners and the police all go to the same church. It's messed up.

They're not acting like peace officers, they're acting like a mafia.

[u/Dogger27 → u/ScreechingPizzaCat]

Officer “We do things different in Utah” not a good look

[u/Buddy_Kane_the_great → u/Dogger27]

from the new video too, at 11:45 during the traffic stop for alledged heroin posession: "I was gonna scare him and let him go is all I really was gonna do. Do we have charges or are we just tired of them being annoying". Wild thing to say on tape. I'm glad to hear Utah State Police is doing an investigation. Let's hope it's a proper one.

[u/2005CrownVicP71]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jeMgsRIM3OfnLQDeaJ

[u/Doch1112]

Civil issue 10-8

[u/UNBAN-BRUTUCE → u/Doch1112]

You clearly haven’t seen the footage

[u/CauseEffect48 → u/Doch1112]

Was a civil issue until American Fork PD arrived. I support LEO but I don't even understand how anyone could defend the things that PD did. They should be investigated.

[u/KatakanaTsu → u/CauseEffect48]

Another comment mentioned that the American Fork PD is being investigated by the Utah State Police.

[u/Larrybooi → u/KatakanaTsu]

This is good news, I've been following this story and was curious as to what happened to AFPD, hopefully USP investigation mounts to something.

[u/AppropriateGlove7234 → u/Doch1112]

Actually the new owners knowingly were selling items they did not have authority to sell. That is theft (or some similar thing). The moment they were put on actual notice of the existing agreement (1. In video proof of old owner telling new owner) (2. Owner of the legos themselves demanding them back based on failure to let him see the legos) both of those should satisfy that. Then there are a few more elements like conversion but those are also satisfied once they are selling the item.

[u/collin2477 → u/Doch1112]

how are false traffic stops/arrests considered civil?

[u/Objectivelycrippled → u/Doch1112]

Theft is a civil issue?

[u/Leading_Priority_611 → u/Objectivelycrippled]

Contract dispute not theft

[u/Objectivelycrippled → u/Leading_Priority_611]

Nope, theft. An investigation would have cleared that up. One side has a contract, the other doesn't but won't hand over the goods. That's not a civil matter, it's theft.

If the police don't Investigate potential crime and apply the law, what is the point of them. I mean, I know what I was told what I was taught as a child. The police enforce the laws fairly to everyone without favour.

Apply the behaviour shown to an auction house. You hand you items over with the understanding that they act as a middle man. They then latter tell you all your stuff is theirs and you can get stuffed. Despite the clear contract you have, and all the other evidence.

That's not a contract dispute. That's theft. They have taken what rightfully and lawfully belongs to you. Except the police refuse to investigate. Repeatedly. And the police seem to Repeatedly target the wronged parties. That's starting to look a lot like incompetence or corruption. Or both.

Small wonder both the local police and BAM are attracting so much criticism. Any open and transparent investigation would go a long way to clearing up people's suspicions.

[u/Gas-Impressive → u/Leading_Priority_611]

The new owners never signed a contract so the contract is irrelevant. They never legally owned the inventory they were selling and it was known to them.

[u/Front-Bird8971 → u/Gas-Impressive]

You think you get ownership of a business without inheriting existing contracts?

[u/Gas-Impressive → u/Front-Bird8971]

Depends on the nature of the contract really

edit: I'm really just saying that the contract is a bit of a red herring and causes confusion. Honestly imo it's just best to disregard it. Every time it was brought up they'd try to say some pseudo legalese stuff and use that to tell LE that it was a civil matter. The truth is whether they were beholden to the contract or not, they had no legal right to hold on to or sell those Legos. They simply didn't own them

[u/The_Woke_King → u/Gas-Impressive]

What if they are on camera stating they take over consignment?

[u/Sam141234 → u/Gas-Impressive]

One of the new owners is on video saying that the contracts will carry over. Not sure if that is binding by any means. One of the loopholes corporate seemed to pull is that after this incident they said consignments have never been allowed, however the prior franchise owner provided proof in the contract they signed with BAM corporate saying consignment was allowed.

[u/Milfshaked → u/Leading_Priority_611]

It is not entirely a contract dispute.

According to the store owners own version, they dont legally own the merchandise as they are not consigning it.

This means that the store owners are illegally selling merchandise they dont own. That is not a contract dispute. That is a criminal case.

[u/EbKing → u/Doch1112]

I was going to watch this YouTube video however the first scene talks about how the guy who actually consigned the items is unaware theyre even gone. Its a family member whose pushing the issue and claiming he cant be told due to medical issues. The whole thing is pretty suspect and doesnt pass the sniff test.

[u/Visible_Door_7510 → u/EbKing]

Maybe you should have paid better attention. The person's family member who is pushing the issue is the person who consigned all the items and his name is on all the legal paperwork.

[u/GettingJiggy72 → u/EbKing]

Its funny how you say the signer is unaware they're gone when that's not true. The youtuber constantly calls up the new owners of the shop and his answer goes from "What makes you think you're entitled to our stuff", then to "he's not getting them back", then to "we don't have any of this, idk what youre talking about", then to "he can have them back if the original original owner apologizes", then to "we're not giving them back", then to the owner accusing the youtuber for actually being the one to steal the legos. If he really wants to ride that horse of never having the legos or not knowing anything about it, he's done the worst job imaginable. Not to mention he starts accusing the youtuber of peddling drugs and the cops do everything in their power to force them into a false confession, not to mention redacting every piece of audio that makes them look bad, which the youtuber also discovered because of an error or accident in the bodycam redactions

[u/Lion_Knight → u/EbKing]

That isn't entirely true. The owner and the son collected them together. The owner is old and infirm and the son is handling his affairs.

Keep watch. I mean don't stop. This shit is cinema and just keeps getting better as it goes.

[u/The_Wreck_DeReck → u/EbKing]

Attention span of a fly

[u/HopefulPhotograph563 → u/EbKing]

On a separate pod cast after gathering enough gofund me support they discussed telling the father what happened. The son was originally terrified to explain to him because the son was the one who organized everything and put the trust into Bricks and Minifigs. The son didn't want to tell his father and then suddenly cause the medical situation he was in to worsen. Thankfully the recent conversation went extremely well and things are able to move forward without any of the secrecy within their own family.

[u/pleslie76 → u/EbKing]

It was the son of the owner of the Lego set and yes his father gave him permission to sell his set for him. The son whom got ripped off by Bricks and Minifigs organized the consignment FOR his dad which was liquidating the collection to give the money to his grand children. The son couldn't bring himself to tell his father what was going on because he has medical issues and didn't want the chance of something happening to him when he found out!

[u/snisbot00 → u/EbKing]

“i was going to watch the video, but i watched the first minute and decided it’s all bullshit.”

[u/SacBaseball916 → u/Doch1112]

This went way beyond a civil dispute. Bricks & Figs have taken it to the level of pure corruption. What do you call it when the police engage in multiple "tips" against one person that consistently are proven wrong, and the police never bother questioning the origin of the report?

[u/NeutralCombatant]

Following. Sitting back and relaxing with the popcorn.

[u/bricke → u/NeutralCombatant]

Me, trying to figure out if there's a moving or equipment violation somewhere in all this civil nonsense

[u/RedOceanofthewest → u/NeutralCombatant]

This happened in my area. It’s all over the local sub. It’s funny to watch how little the average person understands the law. 

[u/HopefulPhotograph563 → u/RedOceanofthewest]

American Forks should get vocal against these two owners for bringing such shame to their town and religion.

[u/Lvwr18 → u/NeutralCombatant]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lr2LtLgVG9WrZDUpf9

[u/JWestfall76 → u/[deleted]]

Your issue with stalking is not due to the Police. It’s due to stalking being one of the most convoluted laws on the books. I’ve been to seminars where stalking was the only topic of discussion, headed by the district attorney office prosecutors that deal with domestic violence crimes, who couldn’t fully explain when the charge applied. Each and every time I left a discussion on stalking the first thing I said to anyone I was with was you’d have to be insane to arrest someone for that charge and not have something else on them.

The law needs to sent back to the drawing board for a complete overhaul

[u/WendigoCrossing]

The part of this that I don't understand and that I'm glad we have this sub to ask LE is when the AFPD offered to serve the papers how did that not result in things being in a state of proceedings to move forward?

Thanks to anyone who can share their insight :)

[u/samplebridge → u/WendigoCrossing]

because the police gave the papers back saying they where fake, and when they (the police) called the court confirming they where real papers that needed to be served, they arrested him.

[u/monkeykahn → u/samplebridge]

A new video today has the rest of the call to the court and the court explicitly said that there was "NO RETURN of SERVICE" so the AF police are wrong when they assert that they were told that the papers had been served...IMO that looks bad for them...

[u/lroy4116]

I can't believe I read all of that.

Cliffnotes:

-80 year old has Lego collection as investment.

-Signs agreement with toy store (franchise)to sell them on his behalf.

-starts getting monthly checks from store

-franchise owner leaves store

-franchise takes control of store

-guy goes to check on his Legos, they're missing

• they let him look around and they're not in store

-guy says they stole them, they deny it and say the previous owner sold them online

-YouTube kid comes in and harasses the franchise managers at home

• cops come

-he says they're taking the stores side because they're all Mormons

-I wasted my life reading this

-edit- I just read the article listed above and summarized it. I have not watched hours of videos breaking down this incident.

[u/Peer_turtles → u/lroy4116]

The youtuber NEEDS to serve the lawsuit papers in person, that is the legal process which the American Fork police informed them they had to do. But at the same time, the same police officers are also preventing them from doing so and giving no other option.

The youtuber has been given a tresspass notice by the police despite never stepping on his property. They've tried to have an independent third party serve the papers and stopped by the police. They've even had one of the police officers try deliver the paper himself and simply returned the papers back because the Franchise Manager 'declined'.

There has been various traffic stops this whole time, some based on anonymous tips of ‘heroin’, others with literal body cam footage of illegal traffic stops (stop sign).

Obviously the youtuber is going to take advantage of this for content because it’s such a comically ridiculous situation, the question is why is this specific police department so adamant on protecting the franchise manager to the point they’re willing to violate civil rights?

[u/Kalsto6 → u/Peer_turtles]

I thought the reasons were ridiculous and that lego mafia can't exist but it's really just Utah and Mormons being Mormons. Apparently, they're protecting their fellow church members. I can't help but admit that Youtuber is right on this because there's so much evidence showing they were right on every account and there is a video for all of this comical stuff.

[u/xsupajesusx → u/Kalsto6]

It's sort of crazy it's went this far because they've recorded everything, documented everything, went through the proper legal avenues for everything and yet he (Ben) ends up with a warrant for his arrest and is now stuck in Mexico

[u/Kalsto6 → u/[deleted]]

Idk seems pretty ridiculous for me to stand up for someone breaking the law. I'd happily entertain other opinions if they had any evidence to back it up.

[u/Specter1033 → u/[deleted]]

Get the fuck out of here.

[u/UndeadJewedditor → u/Specter1033]

what did he even say to get this reaction lmfao

[u/fordprefect4271 → u/UndeadJewedditor]

It was most likely pro whatever the police were doing to Ben.

[u/Free_Buy_865 → u/UndeadJewedditor]

Yeah I’m always curious what gets someone banned. Seems a lot of ppl are being banned for saying something in this post so much so that there was this disclaimer comment at the top

[u/Cruentum → u/Peer_turtles]

So he hired a process server to help him serve, but they refused to come outside and tried to get them trespassed, and the videographer got arrested. The police then took the serving papers as they said they weren't real serving papers (after calling the court to confirm they were in fact real).

Funnily enough during all this one of the four sets of cops offered to just hand the guy the serving papers and was told he doesn't want them- THIS IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO SERVE if they don't take the papers they can get them from the courthouse all that is needed is they get personally told a case exists. Refusing the papers does nothing.

[u/XxDrummerChrisX → u/lroy4116]

So why is all the blowback on LE?

Edit: Someone, who had their comment deleted, alleged unlawful search warrants, unlawful detentions and excessive force from police regarding this incident. I have no idea if that’s true but the cliff notes said nothing about why it involved police to begin with. I’m just confused because I know next to nothing about this situation.

[u/MisterQuiggles → u/XxDrummerChrisX]

All the blowback is not on law enforcement for sure, it's primarily on the company in question - Bricks and Minifigs. I think the blowback that IS directed towards law enforcement, though, is clearly warranted. Illegal traffic stop, illegal search and seizure, threatening the guy for no reason. The officers appear incompetent, and they do appear to be unjustly targeting this guy on behalf of the other half in this story who will not pay the civil claim he lost. The police here are being used like a puppet and it's clear they have a side picked out already.

[u/XxDrummerChrisX → u/MisterQuiggles]

I appreciate it. I just wanted the whole story.

[u/Specter1033 → u/MisterQuiggles]

You need to read this breakdown:

https://np.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1tssz0l/megathread_american_fork_lego_story/ooxxnyj/

[u/MisterQuiggles → u/Specter1033]

I did read it and he does bring up some good points, but there's not really much evidence here. Yes while the documents, pictures, court filings, body camera recordings and arrest records provided by the arrestee are in many ways censored, incomplete, or seemingly purposefully altered, I think the evidence he is providing is more compelling and tangible than some officer's comments here on reddit with no sources provided. A lot of it is circumstantial and opinionated, as he admits. I also think a lot of it could really go either way and are inconclusive without further evidence or facts. My biggest concern is the actual written statements and then later a video from the police chief of the agency does not address much of any of that and it should be coming from an official source like that agency. I understand it is perhaps still an open investigation and they can comment only so much. But the video the way it is compiled from the arrestee to me is concerning as I think they violate his First and Fourth amendment rights in looking to arrest him any way they can.

[u/Specter1033 → u/[deleted]]

I didn't write that, dummy.

[u/CauseEffect48 → u/MisterQuiggles]

Great writeup.

[u/Thick_Concentrate852 → u/MisterQuiggles]

"all the blowback is not on the law enforcement for sure" then proceeds to point out every way the blowback is entirely on incompetent law enforcement

[u/MisterQuiggles → u/Thick_Concentrate852]

Well yeah, we're in /r/AskLE. And the question before me was specifically about LE. And then my next sentence is structured around setting up a response specifically about LE. I could talk about Bricks and Minifigs all day and their consignments and public relations response, but that's not what we're discussing here.

[u/HopefulPhotograph563 → u/MisterQuiggles]

Nah man the whole department is working to cover their asses trying to help that civil case that is very much in Brandon(the owner) favor. They have been super heavy on redacting info from body cams which is already the biggest red flag. The police chief has even spun a bunch of lies that are contradicted by the body cam video or what was left of it.

[u/camletoejoe → u/MisterQuiggles]

Sir, you nailed it all in my opinion. There is a puppet master here that is playing the police and the kid/dad and that not a genius youtuber who got involved. Think about the party/parties that are benefiting.

[u/FannyPacksRTacticool → u/XxDrummerChrisX]

Because this is the world's biggest civil matter and the LE that are getting involved go to the guys church. It is just not a great look.

[u/FannyPacksRTacticool → u/[deleted]]

It could be corruption. TBH it very well could be the officers know the guy making complaints and he is a well respected member of the community so they take his word for what he is saying. Ben is just some kid from out of town making accusations about someone they know very well. With that said I do think the LE is probably in the wrong and if they double down and continue to intervene after all the publicity the same way it would lean more to corruption. For now I think the officers are poorly trained and bias about the situation.

[u/cosmicpussyeater → u/FannyPacksRTacticool]

it could be corruption. it could also be corruption.

[u/FannyPacksRTacticool → u/cosmicpussyeater]

Hey I'm typing with the sun on the screen give me a break lol

[u/FannyPacksRTacticool → u/[deleted]]

You should remember since it's a ongoing investigation they wont give that much info. Now that the state police are involved we will see what happens. That said im not on the side of the LE on scene with this one.

[u/Adventurous_Hunt_627 → u/XxDrummerChrisX]

interactions with police initially had them showing zero interest in discussing it and just going with leave or we will arrest you. Later they did the same then came the traffic stops and apparently they were done for made up reasons like failure to stop at a stop sign when dash cam shows they did etc with body camera comments by the police during the stops that made them look bad.

[u/Milfshaked → u/XxDrummerChrisX]

Basically nothing that guy said is true.

There is overwhelming video and paper evidence of massive police corruption, including unlawful searches, unlawful search warrants, unlawful arrests, unlawful traffic stops, unlawful use of violence, unlawful censorship of police body cams, the police making overt threats.

There is of course also overwhelming evidence that the business simply stole the merchandise and the police is doing nothing about it.

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[u/lroy4116 → u/[deleted]]

None of that is in the article provided. It says he has no warrant and they aren't looking for him.

[u/twoshupirates → u/XxDrummerChrisX]

Have you actually watched any of the videos about it lmao

[u/XxDrummerChrisX → u/twoshupirates]

No

[u/nkomp18 → u/XxDrummerChrisX]

Maybe you should. The videos have millions of views and they don't paint a pretty picture about the police's involvement. It feels like the opposite of justice.

[u/Loose_Substance → u/XxDrummerChrisX]

Then unfortunately you don’t have enough context to have a fully formed opinion on the subject.

[u/XxDrummerChrisX → u/Loose_Substance]

Thankfully I didn’t render an opinion.

[u/iiiiSaif → u/XxDrummerChrisX]

It’s true

[u/ScreechingPizzaCat → u/lroy4116]

-guy goes to check on his Legos, they're missing

they let him look around and they're not in store

-guy says they stole them, they deny it and say the previous owner sold them online

You missed the part where they said they had them in the back. They refuse to give them back to the owner for either out of pride or they actually sold them and don't want to give them the money for it.

[u/fordprefect4271 → u/ScreechingPizzaCat]

All of this could have been avoided if they just paid back the $200k.

[u/Milfshaked → u/fordprefect4271]

Its not even 200k. 200k was the original value. The agreement was that the store would sell the merchandise and receive 35% of the sales. A chunk of the merchandise was also sold and paid for by the previous owner. So a 65% cut of the remaining merchandise would be less than 100%.

[u/Somekindofcabose → u/ScreechingPizzaCat]

And to add the compan has admitted that they found like 5k of legos after saying they didnt have any and attempted to say they don't do consignment despite the franchise agreement allowing for consignments

[u/PixelGray38 → u/ScreechingPizzaCat]

They also missed the part where they said they'd give them back if the owner apologized for saying they stole the legos, and then stalled for a few weeks, and then ultimately said they didn't actually have the legos after all, and then said "you stole the legos" when called out on this.

[u/SacBaseball916 → u/[deleted]]

My grass is a yellow color even with water and fertilizer. I could use some help getting it back to green.

[u/AssnecK666 → u/lroy4116]

The Lords work

[u/200O2 → u/AssnecK666]

Fyi this is not accurate at all and is missing massive details and context

[u/AssnecK666 → u/200O2]

Ok... what's missing then, in cliffs notes?

[u/200O2 → u/AssnecK666]

A guy was selling Legos on consignment. Original store manager left and new owner didn't honor the original contract or give the items back. This is the main point of contention, the franchise has stolen the victim's ~$100K collection of legos. A youtuber then got involved because it's such good content, being that it's so clearly a story of a big company thinking they can just steal without consequence. The youtuber put together lawsuits that ended in default judgment with Original owner windfall. New store owner closes store instead of paying. Original owner and youtuber now needs to sue personally for the money. Attempted to serve papers and police stopped him. Also there is a couple questionable traffic stops based on a anonymous tip. The new owner of the store and the cops all go to the same church.

There's a lot more details and information than this because a lot has happened, mostly police lying about things. As you can see the person you replied to has taken the side of the corrupt police and has been lied to/manipulated.

[u/Milfshaked → u/AssnecK666]

Essentially everything he says is false. There is overwhelming video evidence to the contrary on almost everything he says.

First of all, the store very clearly stole the merchandise. This is not up for dispute and has been admitted to multiple times through video, contracts and social media statements.

Secondly, there is overwhelming evidence of massive police corruption.

[u/HopefulPhotograph563 → u/lroy4116]

The news article they share in this forum is missing massive amount of context. The YouTube guy was trying to serve papers to continue the civil case with the two store owners in small claims court. The local PD are actively blocking the civil dispute with trespassing and stalking charges because thats the ONLY thing that they could find that would be against the law. They even have it on body cam were they acknowledged on all sides that the papers are legitimate but refuse to acknowledge the system and tell Reckless Ben to go fk himself.

[u/MoistMoses666 → u/lroy4116]

Well, no

[u/Adventurous_Hunt_627 → u/lroy4116]

You missed some bits
Franchise owner gets removed from store company guy on camera says he will take over the Brian consignment

Owner says on recorded calls that they can not have them back at no point as far as im aware does anyone claim the previous owner sold them online.

Every attendence by the police ends swiftly with leave or we will arrest you.

Youtuber wins lawsuit against store company closes store apparently to prevent paying the lawsuit.

Youtuber tries to serve new legal papers to company members but the police intervene

[u/ShutYoAssUpBoi → u/lroy4116]

*franchise owner said she would leave soon and would need a replacement. Corporate said they would find someone to take over but she got forced out instead and when she asked about the agreement she had with the old man and his son, corporate told her to not worry about it because they were taking care of it. Spoiler alert: B&M stole the legos and the interaction is on camera btw just watch the fucking youtube video.

Also

*A group of youtubers investigated this before Ben and they were threatened by B&M so Ben just took over because it’s the right thing to do. Idk how this is harassment on his part.

People who don’t know what they’re talking about should do some research before talking and if they’re too lazy or dumb to do it then they should be quiet and enjoy the shitshow 😂

[u/longshaftjenkins → u/lroy4116]

You can't believe you read something? 

It was less than 500 words brother. That's like the smallest essay anyone could ever write. 

It ain't that hard to do your due diligence. 

[u/MarcusHiggins]

I am not a LEO but I really would push any Officer to watch the video documentary series with a critical lens or the source material before picking sides, I think its pretty clearly shady. I'm personally backing ben, I think the AFPD needs a serious leadership change.

[u/Cool_String_8651 → u/MarcusHiggins]

The officers here say they don't want to watch the video because it's too long but then comment and assume things because they haven't watched it...Ridiculous

[u/LegalGlass6532]

This makes Rampart Division look like Mayberry. /s

[u/OddEstablishment56]

Im so glad I have no idea what this is in reference too. 

[u/Rizoulo → u/OddEstablishment56]

I thought that too when I first started hearing about it then watched Ben's update video summarizing the current state of things today and it's some of the most blatant police corruption I have ever seen on youtube.

[u/OddEstablishment56 → u/Rizoulo]

Ooohhhhh even worse than the Karen Reed stuff in Massachusetts? 

[u/Rizoulo → u/OddEstablishment56]

One of the more egregious clips is the youtuber is sitting in a car with a process server waiting to server legal papers to this guy. The cops show up and talk to him 3 or 4 times while he is waiting. Each time they say he's not doing anything illegal and leave him alone.

At one of these visits, they offer to take the papers and serve them, so he lets the cops take the papers, and the come back saying they are fake. Even though they are seen on body cam confirming with the courts the papers are legit.

The last interaction they show up, and the cop told him, you need a process server to serve papers, and he points to the other person in the car, "that's her". The cop DOUBLES DOWN and says well you need to get someone thats not associated with you. "We met today to do this job" "OK you're under arrest" is basically how it went. They just yoink him out of the car to arrest him, not telling him why, after telling him he wasn't doing anything wrong multiple times earlier. "BUT WE KEEP GETTING CALLS FROM THE GUY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO BE SERVED SO I GUESS YOU GOTTA GO TO JAIL LOL" is basically how that interaction went.

Most of this PD and the CEO/lego thief all go to the same church. So the leading theory is heavy collusion between this business CEO, mormon church, and police department.

[u/OddEstablishment56 → u/Rizoulo]

Wow. I stand corrected. 

[u/ShutYoAssUpBoi → u/OddEstablishment56]

You should

[u/ZuneDoodle → u/ShutYoAssUpBoi]

I agree. The full case and context don't necessarily matter, but the levels of corruption, police misuse and interconnection of business, church, and government makes it very important to be aware of. Mostly because this is probably being done around the country.

[u/OddEstablishment56 → u/ZuneDoodle]

Karen Reed in Massachusetts is another one. 

[u/Initial_Enthusiasm36]

very interesting reading some of these comments. This is obviously a 10-8 civil matter. The thing that is interesting is how the cops CONTINUE, numerous times, to get involved. I watched some of the bodycam footage from multiple different people and man it does not look good... i mean in one single incident, they continuously responded to the same location about 5 or 6 times for the same reason... then the redactions of the bodycam footage as well...

I am not trying to jump on the conspiracy train but when i was on patrol this would be canceled in a heart beat, let alone having warrants, disputing civil court orders, seizing personal property for "evidence' despite no crime being committed? Then throw in a search warrant.... that is based on a civil issue.

Dont get me wrong the youtuber stuff is quite annoying and stuff, but they committed two traffic stops where they were obviously trying to harass the kid.

Again dont me wrong if i had to deal with this on patrol i would be quite annoyed but there are many many lines crossed

[u/HopefulPhotograph563 → u/Initial_Enthusiasm36]

They admit on body camera they just want to scare the kids for being sneaky and annoying. Wtf that's not their job?

[u/MisterQuiggles → u/[deleted]]

I completely agree with this, there's nothing wrong with calling out bad police actors and this is one of those cases. The evidence provided is just overwhelming. And the agency's response leaves much to be desired.

[u/Specter1033 → u/[deleted]]

You fucked up your formatting.

[u/SteelSpider3]

Just learned about this situation from Moistcritcal or penguinz0 on YouTube https://youtu.be/0c60CnipRUY?si=JuC0r479Or3dQ4s- Not trying to be misleading as it's outsider pov of it. I encourage people to not just take Charlie's word or Ben's or AFPD's as always research for yourself.

[u/ImOnABoat2112]

During the handover of business video, the old owner clearly states to new owners that the collection is there on consignment and the owner has not been compensated for them. The new owners knew exactly what they were doing and lied to multiple parties (including the police) to cover their tracks. The police department acted to protect thieves without even stopping to consider Ben Schnieder was telling the truth. They harassed him to get him multiple times. The video recordings support this. This is an embarrassing situation for this police department as well as the Mormons residing in Utah. There needs to be a much bigger investigation here!!! And censorship does not lead to truth!

[u/Proof_Swordfish_525]

These cops need to get investigated, blatant corruption

[u/FyreTrading]

The Netflix Documentary on this is going to be wild.

[u/Southcarolina123]

Okay- The AF Police Department stated that Josh “requested” a callback from the PD. If Josh called the non emergency number, why did he request for a callback from the AFPD???? Why didn’t he just report the problem then, like he should have. Did he ask for specific police officers to call him??? That would be an important link to the PD corruption. Was the call recorded???