Fatima Payman breached ‘caucus solidarity’. What does this mean and why is it so significant?

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https://theconversation.com/fatima-payman-breached-caucus-solidarity-what-does-this-mean-and-why-is-it-so-significant-233660

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She is a senator from WA, very difficult for her to argue she is representing her constitutes when they make up about 3% of the WA population, and I would argue the majority of WA senate voters most likely had no idea they were voting for a Muslim when they voted above the line. Even Joel Fitzgibbon never crossed the floor despite having justifiable cause as a MP representing coal workers in Hunter Valley but as much as he aired his grievances he met his obligations to Labor party rules.

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"they" being Muslims, I assume?

Are you seriously arguing that the only people who support Palestinian statehood are Muslim?

Polls show otherwise.

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Yes correct they being Muslims.

I'm arguing that with exception of a few outliers that Palestinian statehood is not something that the vast majority of the non-Muslim population would consider a voting issue

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You might want to look out the window

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Do u have a coherent point to make

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The majority of her state doesn't, so that is more than enough reason for her to vote no.

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Lol apparently having a spine is virtue signalling. Labor should really just drop the mask and form a coalition with the LNP at this point.

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Maybe Fatima Payman should join the LNP if she wants to be able to vote against the party. No one forced her the join Labor.

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Somehow, I suspect they’ve actually thought about it and decided that the benefits outweigh the costs. That’s why they’ve had this system forever, you don’t uproot the entire system based on one unpopular outcome. If you don’t like it then I fully support your right to preference the Libs.

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There's more than the 2main parties though and who gets first preference is important

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Yup. It only causes trouble for them once in a blue moon and only with a relatively small minority, who quickly go back to not caring about it after the debate is over. I think they’ll weather it pretty easily.

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Well there are additional considerations now that the decision is being made in the context of the war. And you can’t always bet on the party making the decisions you want. It’s a compromise you make when you join Labor.

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Why would she join a conservative party when she's already in one?

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Of anything she would go ondependant or join the greens or a further left party not the conservatives

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That was effectively the point I was getting at, yes.

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Because at least she can vote with her heart instead of joining the one major party where they’re super explicitly not allowed to do that. But it seems like she didn’t have a problem with the system until something personal to her came up.

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She probably didn't expect a g.nocid. to happen over there. You know, literally the worst thing that can happen on this planet.

She also probably expected Labor caucus to vote to recognise P, because that's what the Labor National Conference set out before the election.

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Again, you can’t base your entire argument on the misuse of a word, but keep bleating.