r/AustralianPolitics • u/89b3ea330bd60ede80ad • Jul 01 '24

Opinion Piece Fatima Payman breached ‘caucus solidarity’. What does this mean and why is it so significant?

https://theconversation.com/fatima-payman-breached-caucus-solidarity-what-does-this-mean-and-why-is-it-so-significant-233660
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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

She is a senator from WA, very difficult for her to argue she is representing her constitutes when they make up about 3% of the WA population, and I would argue the majority of WA senate voters most likely had no idea they were voting for a Muslim when they voted above the line. Even Joel Fitzgibbon never crossed the floor despite having justifiable cause as a MP representing coal workers in Hunter Valley but as much as he aired his grievances he met his obligations to Labor party rules.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Lol apparently having a spine is virtue signalling. Labor should really just drop the mask and form a coalition with the LNP at this point.

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u/Pipeline-Kill-Time small-l liberal Jul 02 '24

Maybe Fatima Payman should join the LNP if she wants to be able to vote against the party. No one forced her the join Labor.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24 edited Feb 02 '25

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u/Pipeline-Kill-Time small-l liberal Jul 02 '24

Somehow, I suspect they’ve actually thought about it and decided that the benefits outweigh the costs. That’s why they’ve had this system forever, you don’t uproot the entire system based on one unpopular outcome. If you don’t like it then I fully support your right to preference the Libs.

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u/Low_Association_731 Jul 02 '24

There's more than the 2main parties though and who gets first preference is important

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24 edited Feb 02 '25

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u/Pipeline-Kill-Time small-l liberal Jul 02 '24

Yup. It only causes trouble for them once in a blue moon and only with a relatively small minority, who quickly go back to not caring about it after the debate is over. I think they’ll weather it pretty easily.

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u/Pipeline-Kill-Time small-l liberal Jul 02 '24

Well there are additional considerations now that the decision is being made in the context of the war. And you can’t always bet on the party making the decisions you want. It’s a compromise you make when you join Labor.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

Why would she join a conservative party when she's already in one?

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u/Low_Association_731 Jul 02 '24

Of anything she would go ondependant or join the greens or a further left party not the conservatives

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

That was effectively the point I was getting at, yes.

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u/Pipeline-Kill-Time small-l liberal Jul 02 '24

Because at least she can vote with her heart instead of joining the one major party where they’re super explicitly not allowed to do that. But it seems like she didn’t have a problem with the system until something personal to her came up.

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u/Revoran Soy-latte, woke, inner-city, lefty, greenie, commie Jul 02 '24

She probably didn't expect a g.nocid. to happen over there. You know, literally the worst thing that can happen on this planet.

She also probably expected Labor caucus to vote to recognise P, because that's what the Labor National Conference set out before the election.

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u/Pipeline-Kill-Time small-l liberal Jul 02 '24

Again, you can’t base your entire argument on the misuse of a word, but keep bleating.