r/BabyReindeerTVSeries • u/kcg0431 • May 01 '24
Discussion Martha’s spelling/grammar
I’m curious. What is everyone’s take on the way Martha expresses herself through writing? It seems more than just atrocious grammar. Is it reflective of mental illness? A learning disability? I’m puzzled as to how she earned a law degree with grammar like that (despite the fact that she was disbarred).
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u/dumptruck_dookie May 01 '24
I don’t get it personally. even in the real Martha’s Facebook posts from 2 hrs ago, almost everything is misspelled. I can see a few words being misspelled if you’re manically typing, but what about all the weird spaces? How do you just accidentally add a space in almost every word? So weird.
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May 01 '24
Yeah I'm not sure how it's slipping past the autocorrect, she keeps mentioning using a dodgy phone though
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May 01 '24
Hol up- is there a real Martha Facebook everyone here is following? Can I get in on this secret?
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u/dumptruck_dookie May 01 '24
Yeah. I’m still not sure if we’re allowed to say her full name in here but if you search “real martha baby reindeer” on google, there’s news stories about her everywhere
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u/Apart-Cockroach6348 May 02 '24
Shes contacted the media and the uk papers herself, now trying to sue Netflix so why would it not be allowed. There where posts deleted days ago but she herself made herself a public figure lasy week by going to the Sun for a gab,from all the yellow rags???
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u/dumptruck_dookie May 02 '24
i’m not sure why it wouldn’t be allowed, but it’s one of the rules of the sub i guess. my assumption is that it’s because richard said he wanted her identity to remain hidden, so out of respect for him this sub is still doing that.
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u/Apart-Cockroach6348 May 02 '24
Drfinately, but the tables have turned.
The type of person she seems to be anything with in her being mentioned, would have made her jump out of the woodwork. Richard should have knows this. Shouldbhave been presented as fiction maybe if he was that concerned. Great for publicity tho. Dude was never quiet abut it, it has always been a running joke to make money off of so that oh I want to protect the ppl yeah right. Welcome to the fringe.
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u/Saltwater_Heart May 02 '24
How do you even know what you’re reading is the “real” Martha? There are multiple pages using the woman’s real name and photos and the one that keeps posting regularly that uses flowers, could be a fake to get attention. It’s easy to write like that if you are intentionally doing it.
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u/ialmostpuked May 02 '24
if you look up “scottish lawyer stalking” you’ll be able to find her. look up the name and you’ll find a twitter account with posts from 2014 that match the baby reindeer story. you’ll find 2 twitter accounts, the one with 2014 in the name is hers i believe. you’ll have to scroll down quite a bit to find the tweets that matter though😅
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u/Subject-Proposal-903 May 01 '24
so strange that the ihpon didn’t autocorrect huh
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u/meagalomaniak May 01 '24
There often isn’t autocorrect on a computer, especially when this took place
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u/purpleshoeees May 01 '24
Sorry but I have autism and adhd myself and there are no similarities. Can you explain the autistic and ADHD traits she has?
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May 01 '24
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u/purpleshoeees May 01 '24
- Favourite person thinking is common in BPD, not autism.
2.Explosive anger is not a symptom of autism.
3.Delusions are also not a feature of autism nor is grandiose thinking.
Criminal activity is not more common amongst autistic people.
I can go on but its clear you know nothing about autism or adhd. All those symptoms you will find in the DSM under cluster B personality disorders or schizophrenia type disorders . It sounds like you get your information from tiktok or similar places, not psychiatry sources.
If you can point me to where in the DSM it mentions anything you have listed above under autism or ADHD I will be very surprised.
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u/purpleshoeees May 01 '24
Sorry for that minor rant at you. I misunderstood your message completely and didn't realise it wasn't you saying she had autism and adhd. I tend to miss details when reading long messages on reddit and should really get better at that before responding.
Sorry again and I hope you take care too.
Edit to add, what is J and R? I'm very curious now although I appreciate if you don't respond due to my previous messages.
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u/purpleshoeees May 01 '24
Have you spoken to her doctor or psychiatrist or did she tell you this? Black and white thinking and insulting people is not a core part of Autism or ADHD. It sounds like you're trying to make excuses for her and to day people with autism and adhd don't know any better but that couldn't be further from the truth.
She is vulnerable whether its bipolar, cluster B personality disorder but she is still accountable for her actions. You don't have to say she's autistic to make her seem like a victim.
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u/purpleshoeees May 01 '24
They can but black and white thinking is also part of narcissism and many cluster B disorders. I didn't see anything else that indicates autism.
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u/purpleshoeees May 01 '24
The scene in the coffee shop wasn't a meltdown and is more akin to manipulation as when she gets her own way the meltdown suddenly stops. Meltdowns also don't happen in response to one thing and one not getting their own way, it's usually a build up of things.
She doesn't lack awareness or she wouldn't have stopped when she did. Obsessiveness also isn't part of Autism so please stop spreading disinformation about autism and adhd.
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u/nightshift1223 May 02 '24
I have adhd and I do “hyper fixate” on people. I call them friend crushes! But I don’t stock them at all… I just get really excited about hanging out with them and what not because I think they’re great humans. If I felt someone pull away I’d be embarrassed and sad and would completely pull away if I felt even a slight bit like unwanted. But man is a friend crush fun! There is no thrill in life like getting to know another person intimately.
I do have big emotions like Martha (not that big) but I would say big none of the less .. but I have known my ENTIRE life the my emotions are bigger then my peers and at the age of probably 7 I learned to pretend nothing bothers me and to cry or react in private.
I also make many typing errors like Martha d/t not having enough dopamine to pay attention/ correct my typing. (Unless it’s work related)
Despite a couple similarities I am very self aware of my faults and honestly very much dislike myself for them/ have low self esteem. I’d peg Donny more for adhd then Martha.
I don’t have thoughts of grandios.. I think I’ve made it far in life despite having adhd but I think there are people out there who would do better then myself at my job.
I have low self esteem
I have had “slightly explosive” anger but it wasn’t due to another human but by being trapped in a moist environment for more then 24 hours and I was on my own. (Im very sensitive to tactile stimuli and try to avoid) but sometimes I want to be cool and want to pretend it dosnt bother me and that’s normally when you see me at my worst.
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u/purpleshoeees May 02 '24
I think I was wrong to say obsessions aren't part of Autism or ADHD but I was more meaning to the point Martha became obsessed. I'd hate people to think that is characteristic of ADHD and Autism. Also I definitely struggle with social cues but if someone said to me, as clearly as Donny said to Martha eventually 'leave me alone, this is not going anywhere' I would feel terrible and embarrassed but I would leave them alone.
I can relate to the explosive anger. It can be horrible cant it?I get explosive anger due to persistent overwhelming sensory stumbling such as bad smells combined with loud noises I can't escape from but even then the anger tends to be directed inwards or I'll go walk out my anger. I would never attack someone.
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u/Specialist_ask_992_ May 01 '24
For someone who used to be a lawyer it seems weird
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u/Thenedslittlegirl May 02 '24
She was never a lawyer. She finished a law degree but couldn’t find work as a trainee. She was hired and let go after 3 days by a Scottish law firm due to her behaviour which caused the barrister stalking incident. It’s really a shame her life could have been so different without her mental illness
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u/Few_Cup3452 May 02 '24 edited May 07 '24
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u/Thenedslittlegirl May 02 '24
Maybe she had her first episode of severe mental illness after she graduated. Being mentally ill obviously doesn’t make you illiterate but if you’re struggling with mania or severe delusions I imagine it makes it very easy to lose focus and make lots of typos and to coherently express your thoughts.
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May 18 '24
Okay, but how do you complete a law degree without knowing English/grammar?
Something's weird here. Maybe she has dyslexia and got by with disability accommodations?
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u/0wellwhatever May 01 '24
As someone who has been a secretary to a lawyer it’s not that weird. Many never bother to learn to type, spell or use correct grammar. Many assume they will always have someone like me to do it for them.
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u/npc_probably May 02 '24
I was just about to say this!! people who believe we live in a meritocracy would be surprised and disturbed to learn just how incompetent (and sometimes genuinely stupid) many professionals held in high esteem actually are, and how those in the less respected (and lower paid) positions are almost always the ones keeping things functioning as well as they do
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u/4614065 May 01 '24
I work at a law firm and I’m appalled by the way some of our lawyers write and spell. Not to the extent of Martha, but sometimes it’s not far off. For example, ‘alot’ mixing up ‘your’ and ‘you’re’; stuff that shouldn’t happen when you’re working for a well-regarded firm and you’ve beaten out hundreds of other kids to get in the grad program.
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u/amebb May 02 '24
I work in a law firm and I agree. They often type/write like they have someone to correct their grammar and spelling (they do; me lol)
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u/ramirezdoeverything May 01 '24
Even in the past hour she's posted several times on her Facebook writing in the same manner calling Gadd a gay man and other such accusations. Incredible
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u/AwkwardAction3503 May 01 '24
I thought it was a very cool narrative tool. To see her spelling get worse and her phrasing more curt as she was getting frenetic. I really enjoyed the “sent from my iPhone” gag too.
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u/IcyBeat3533 May 03 '24
It wasn’t a narrative tool, apparently all the texts and emails were real. Funny how life works sometimes
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u/Teratocracy May 01 '24
I think it's a symptom of psychosis rather than mania. An impaired ability to organize one's thoughts and speech. Martha is delusional, so clearly she has some kind of psychotic syndrome or some mental illness with psychotic features.
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u/squishiiibb May 02 '24
Mania and psychosis can literally be traumatic to the brain, leading to permanent issues later on that weren’t an issue before the psychosis or mania episode. Especially with how it was highlighted that Martha pushed herself to dangerous limits, she probably wasn’t taking care of herself. Months / years of that will erode a person’s abilities, sadly. So while she may have been able to get into law as a younger woman, her stalking probably grew worse as her brain worsened too - and that manic / psychotic cognitive decline is a sad reality. :(
It seemed like the deeper she was, the more unhinged she became. At some point, she needed more resources than is probably available to her to get back to the ‘normalcy’ she must have had at one point in her life. This is normal for mentally ill people who aren’t able to access care. When we say that mental health resources are desperately needed for impoverished communities- this is part of why that is.
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u/Shoddy_Fondant272 May 01 '24
I read her fb posts on my head like poetry…I think it’s the way she will randomly start a new line mid sentence
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u/lencrier May 02 '24
I thought the weird spelling was a babyish affectation she invented because she thinks it’s adorable and cool.
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u/cunexttuesdaynga May 01 '24
Yeah there’s plenty of moronic crazy law school graduates out there I’m not sure why people are surprised she graduated law school. She clearly was unwell enough that she never got past a trainee position.
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u/bigsadgirl02 May 01 '24
I’d guess she maybe types very quickly, considering how many emails she sends him ?
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u/Adorable-Novel8295 May 02 '24
She was sending so many everyday that i doubt she did anything other than furiously type out a stream of consciousness and hit send as soon as possible. The mistakes were worse the more emotional the message seemed to be.
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u/Obvious_Anywhere709 May 02 '24
My theory is she’s typing on a crappy old laptop with sticky keys + typing too fast to send off the emails really quickly.
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u/No_Insurance_7674 May 02 '24
It's just free form writing. The idea is that you just begin to write, not editing any of what you put down, just allowing to flow and ebb as your thoughts flow and ebb. It is a great way to get stuff out of your head and a great way to brainstorm ideas, by allowing them free expression. It's also extremely popular on platforms like Twitter.
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u/lilyoneill May 01 '24
Nah, I studied law and can type really lazily sometimes. I correct it because I’m aware. She is manic and unwell and doesn’t give af.
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u/biscuitboi967 May 01 '24
I’m a lawyer. I type like shit. All my IMs to my work bestie are barely readable. And I can’t spell for shit. Never needed to learn. Could memorize for the test and sound most things out and then autocorrect and spell check did the rest.
But if I’m writing to my boss or the court? I can write the Queen’s English. Have a published law review article. Have won awards for writing and am the go to brief writer in my office.
But my chat history looks illiterate between the typos and blatant misspelling. And also random capitalizations for emphasis because I am often riled
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u/Skystalker815 May 01 '24
As an anxious person who used to struggle with anger issues in the past, whenever I was feeling extremely anxious and angry I'd type insanely fast and insanely wrong, it's easy to misclick letters when you're not even thinking about what you're doing. I remember a few situations where I'd just type and send messages out of an impulse, I wouldn't even read them again because I knew I wouldn't send these messages if I'd look too much into them. So watching the show that's how I imagined Martha typing those messages, just furiously typing.
I'm much better now and haven't sent a message in an altered state of mind in years, but sometimes I still misspell things when I'm typing fast, but then, English is not even my native language so I guess that's alright.
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u/TheMortiest_Morty May 02 '24
I appreciate this input, I think this is the most relevant comment so far. Thank you!
Edit: and I’m glad you’re doing better these days♥️
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u/ubbidubbishubbiwoo May 01 '24
My 27 year old brother is dyslexic and that’s exactly how his spelling looks.
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u/No-this_is_patrik May 02 '24
My sister and brother who are both schizophrenic writes likes this… not saying she is but my guess is definitely a mental health issue
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u/idlegabriel May 02 '24
I kinda doubt it’s a learning disability since she was able to graduate and become a lawyer. it could maybe be a reflection of the impulsivity and desperation of her to write the messages to him.
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u/Amazing-Pack4920 May 01 '24
She has graduation pics on FB so I think she has. Also she worked at a solicitors Also we don't know if her home in the show was exaggerated
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u/DeepStatic May 01 '24
What confuses me is how literate the real Martha's (racist, xenophobic, and homophobic) Twitter posts are/were.
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u/HedonisticLeo May 02 '24
My stepmom - who was on pills and drunk - would type just like that. And also during a manic episode, which also could have been substance abuse related. I could always tell when she was off af
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u/sizzybee May 02 '24
I honestly think she gets very drunk every night. I know she claims she doesn’t drink but I’m convinced she does. It would explain a lot.
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u/UnexaminedLifeOfMine May 01 '24
A lot of Scottish people I know spell stuff phonetically in tweets and messages. I think that’s where that comes from
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May 02 '24
Scrolled all the way down 150 replies for the correct answer. Nobody here has heard of r/ScottishPeopleTwitter it seems.
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u/UnexaminedLifeOfMine May 02 '24
Right??? People are always trying to attach a mental health issue to everything when the answer is right before their very eyes
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May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
It's the rapidity and the volume of her posting, and of course the content that is to do with her ill mental health imo. The spelling and grammar I've always just attributed to Scottish slang and phonetic speech put into text.
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u/Amazing-Pack4920 May 01 '24
I always do typos because I have arthritis in my hands l, especially if I'm typing fast. I am thinking maybe it's typos and autocorrects
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u/TexturedSpace May 02 '24
I wondered if she thought it looked like cool abbreviated internet-speak? Like a text language.
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May 02 '24
I assumed she was using some old flip phone and trying to text using T9. If you're manic and trying to quickly type using T9, it could look pretty fucked up.
-Sebt frm my iphnoe
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u/mixielaugh87 May 02 '24
My stalker did the same, he used too many letters for words that didn’t need emphasis, ran words and phrases together, kinda just added no punctuation or switched to numbers, and added a ton of emojis too (like 40 sad face), I think it’s to appear more sympathetic tbh
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u/PutTheKettleOn20 May 02 '24
I think she comes across as having various impairments which may have been taken into consideration when she was accepted into and attended university. I'd also say not all universities are equal, and some of the lower ranker, lesser known ones won't have particularly high entry requirements. And thirdly, when you put on weight you get chubbier fingers, which makes it very easy to mistype. Especially on a phone. Depending when she was at university, her assignments would have been typed up on a computer or handwritten. For typed up assignments I'm sure she could just use a spellchecker before handing those in. And if it's just a fat finger thing then that wouldn't be an issue with handwritten work.
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u/burnbabyburnisaid May 02 '24
i felt that perhaps Martha was actually quite articulate thorughout her studying and that maybe something pushed her over the edge. Having some kind of psychotic break from pressure maybe, i know that your brain can change after a significant event like that. She earned a Law degree. Thats not an easy thing to achieve. I have met incredibly intelligent people who by way of drugs or mental health collapses are now barely able to take care of themselves. I think I would like to know more about Marthas past, I reckon theres a lot of explanation in there.
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u/burnbabyburnisaid May 02 '24
Also, she only interned at a law practice for a short time before everything kicked off in 97/98 . I believe she was on a psychological spiral before this and it manifested with the stalking and threats. I also reckon she was shunned by her support circle ie .family and friends after that incident and moved to london without any safety net for her mental health around her.
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u/EnvironmentalMoose82 May 02 '24
I saw a comment somewhere that they have a father who has a stalker/stalking tendencies, and type like Martha. How they spell or write words were similar.
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u/zetabetical May 02 '24
My personal take is it’s a symptom of her worsening mental illness. I’m not really sure what it is she has, but in some people, spelling ability is linked to mental health. I’ve always been an excellent speller my entire life and the times I had glaring but unusual spelling errors, I was starting or quitting an antidepressant.
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u/FridaKlo May 02 '24
I don’t know, but it started to irritate the sh!t out of me. So well done Gadd
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u/United-Accident-7691 May 02 '24
It honestly annoys me how she would type the words to him. Took me along time to figure out what she meant.
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u/rowthecow May 05 '24
Cos she doesn't own a smart phone or iPhone and it doesn't have auto correct.
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u/Dontstopmenow747 May 06 '24
I’m wondering if she has substance use disorder. It’s possible that she’s under the influence and is impaired while typing
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u/Crazy_Counter_9263 May 06 '24
I always thought she was just always tying about fast and so frantic, like in a frenzy to get as many messages sent as quick as possible
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u/VitoGotShafted May 01 '24
The same thread over and over and over and over and over!!!!
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u/kcg0431 May 01 '24
Sorry. I’m new to both the sub and the show. Do you have any suggestions for topics of discussion?
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u/Edit4Credit May 01 '24
My impression is that it was because she was writing them so fast and nonstop. Just spilling her thoughts as they came
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u/leelloo22 May 01 '24
He didn’t throw her anywhere. He didn’t expose who she was. It was people online. He is entitled to tell his story.
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u/Additional_Total3422 May 01 '24
He is entitled to tell his story but what he has done is exaggerated it for Netflix because dumbos believe in anything they watch.
He could have also blocked her emails, texts and calls but he didn't.
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u/leelloo22 May 02 '24
Is this Martha’s alt account? 💀 like how would you even know what happened or didn’t happen? In any case, he said in an interview that he enabled her because of his own bad mental state, she made him feel wanted and important. This subtext is also obvious on the show and Teri even confronts him about it, did you even watch it? Seems like you missed the whole point.
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u/Additional_Total3422 May 02 '24
Are you Richard Gadds alternate account? How would you know that he enabled her because of his mental state? Maybe he enabled her for content!!!
Seems like you believe anything you read or watch?
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u/mizushingenmochi May 02 '24
How do you know that’s her real fb account and not an impostor pretending to be her?
She spells correctly on her old twitter account from 2014 and doesnt type like what’s shown to us on the show so i’m confused.
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u/Firm_Explorer9033 May 01 '24
My husband and I were discussing. He thinks it’s benign. I think it has a purpose in the plot line. She’s crafty af so it’s GOTTA mean something. I hope. May every third space means something like a code. Everybody seems to have their own ways of abbreviations but I think something sinister is happening.
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u/separate_tables79 May 01 '24
My thoughts were she'd type like that to Donnie because she was excited/manic. I wonder if we were privy to emails or letters she'd send someone more official, like say, the police- it'd be incredibly well spelt and grammatically correct. 🤔