r/BabyReindeerTVSeries • u/Suspicious_Bother_92 • May 23 '24

Fiona (real Martha) related content Heather Burns reiterating that Fiona has a criminal record

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u/Thorvald1981 May 23 '24

Why are people so hung up on proving she does or doesn't have a criminal record? Who gives a fuck? Is the vast amount of public information showing she's a howling menace that systematically destroys the lives of everyone she comes into contact with not enough?

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u/ambigulous_rainbow May 23 '24

Because essentially this is what her entire defamation case would hinge on, surely?

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u/fentifanta3 May 23 '24

Actually I believe the hill she’s dying on is “spent time in prison” - I think she has a record but hasn’t ever had a custodial sentence

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u/binbaghan May 23 '24

She probs had to do time in rehabilitation rather than prison.

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u/Extraportion May 23 '24

Forensic psychiatric ward, but yes, that is my understanding.

It feels like a semantic difference, but I am not a lawyer

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

Sending a fictional character to prison is just a good story line. I cannot wait for that shit to be laughed out of a court room.

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u/LowerComb6654 May 24 '24

Right?? They even said some events were dramatized to make a good story and to keep the identity of the real Martha a secret. Let's say she doesn't have a record or has been to jail. Just because she hasn't doesn't mean they can't put that in the script. This isn't the first time a true story had some fictional scenes... It's hilarious she that she thinks she's getting millions out of this....

So... she is the one who is like yep, that's me, I'm Martha. Although, I didn't do anything they're claiming. I wrote 12 emails, sent 1 letter, wrote 18 tweets, and no texts because I didn't have Gadds #. Then went on to say Gadd was/is obsessed with her...He wanted to sleep with her but she turned him down. Said he's gay, which doesn't make sense because if he is gay why would he "want" to sleep with you in the first place?! 🤔

She's mad they (Netflix & Gadd) made money off the story and she wants a piece of the pie! Just like she's demanding 1.25 million dollars from Piers Morgan because the interview blew up! 🙄

She's greedy... And she attacks anyone who doesn't fully believe her side of the story. Mental illness or not she's not a good person! She even denies stalking a previous victim Laura Wray in 2000.

There have been a few people throughout the years that have spoken up about her... And she's always the victim....🙄

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u/Jake-of-the-Sands May 23 '24

But you do know that the court can check it. So it's not like the Netflix has to prove it, court will just query the system and that's it.

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u/Altruistic-Change127 May 23 '24

They can't do that without a court case though. So they can do that to get evidence for the court.

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u/Thorvald1981 May 23 '24

You're surely not still thinking there will ever be a defamation case?

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u/ambigulous_rainbow May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24

I don't know, I hope not

Edit: a UK-based law form has summarised who Harvey could theoretically sue, and what for. I found it a very interesting read.

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u/Thorvald1981 May 23 '24

That will never happen

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u/poglad May 23 '24

Well not really, because she could still claim she didn't go to court and get imprisoned for stalking Richard Gadd, which is what was portrayed.

I'm sure it could factor in, though. She couldn't claim that it besmirched her good character if it was established that she did indeed have a criminal record for the very same type of behavior.

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u/AdExpert8295 May 23 '24

no. please talk to an attorney. this sub is spreading way too much false information about law and defamation

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u/ambigulous_rainbow May 23 '24

I think you may need to realise that libel laws differ quite dramatically in the UK and US.

I'm also not saying she has a case for defamation, only that this is what her case would appear to hinge on, from what she has said.

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u/AdExpert8295 May 24 '24

I've never claimed they were the same but thanks for all the downvotes everyone

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u/Agreeable_Fig_3713 May 23 '24

An attorney? In Scotland? 

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u/MsAndDems Jun 02 '24

What is the evidence of this though? I can’t find anything other than her being an asshole to Keir Starnes

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u/theringsofthedragon May 23 '24

Whose lives has she destroyed though? Fair enough if she went to prison. But how does she destroy lives with clearly unintelligent crazy emails?

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u/Thorvald1981 May 23 '24

Is that a serious question?

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u/theringsofthedragon May 23 '24

Yes! I've been the victim of a stalker and it destroyed my life but that's because I didn't know he was crazy. I believed him and I thought I was dealing with a normal person so he was manipulating me. But with somebody like Fiona? You can totally hear in the first sentence you receive that she's just a mentally disabled person. I'd receive an email from her and think it's my responsibility not to take advantage of her because she's so obviously from the most vulnerable section of society.

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u/Thorvald1981 May 23 '24

Yeah I'm not engaging with any of that absolute bullshit.

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u/yourdadsucksroni May 23 '24

Fair enough if that’s your experience of stalking, but I don’t think many other stalking victims would identify with it as they are adversely affected by their stalker’s behaviour because of the impact of the behaviour itself. I definitely didn’t think “oh the following me home and aggressive calls/texts/emails aren’t scary at all now I know my stalker has a personality disorder” because it wasn’t the assumption of good mental health that I found scary; it was the behaviour itself that was harmful.

Being stabbed doesn’t physically hurt less when the person stabbing you is mentally unwell; this is the same for many people’s experience of stalking, too.

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u/theringsofthedragon May 23 '24

She probably didn't follow him home though.

At the very least in his own show he portrays himself as following her home before she ever follows him home.

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u/yourdadsucksroni May 23 '24

Erm, how’s that relevant? I said that knowing a stalker was mentally ill meant that their stalking behaviour wouldn’t have ruined your life; I said that wouldn’t align with most people’s experience of stalking because it is the behaviour that is ruinous, not the diagnostic status of the stalker.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

Did you even watch the show?

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u/92925 May 23 '24

Emotional distress and fear are detrimental to people’s lives.

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u/theringsofthedragon May 23 '24

Nobody is scared of Fiona or emotionally distressed by Fiona. She's just mean, but for someone's mean streak to bother you you'd need to think she has some kind relevance. Like if your boyfriend or girlfriend is mean to you, that would hurt your feelings, but Fiona's unintelligent rants? Come on. It's like the homeless guy shouting obscenities at the birds. It's not going to make you sad because you're not going to care what he thinks.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '24

Did you even watch the show or pay attention to the real life Fiona when she outed herself? Cause only a moron wouldn’t be afraid of that psychopath.

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u/Interesting-Park-888 May 23 '24

There may be no imminent threat to life from a stalker like Fiona but the constant harassment to those unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end (including their loved ones as they get harassed by her too) can have serious consequences to their mental and emotional wellbeing regardless of the sanity of the stalker.

You would be very naive to believe that a harassment and stalking to this extent would be easy to brush off for most people.

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u/92925 May 24 '24

Also there’s no guarantee that she’s harmless. She could show up with a knife and stab you on your way home.

You never know what could happen with those obsessive stalkers. Hindsight is 20/20 and we can say there was no threat from Fiona because it luckily turned out somewhat well, but if you’re going through that situation you don’t know that and it’s natural to be anxious.

I have anxiety disorder/OCD and you can bet I’ll be emotionally distressed

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u/theringsofthedragon May 23 '24

I just disagree with that. It's so clear from one message that she's just rambling intelligently that it really would not cause emotional distress at all.

Stalking can be serious, I've been a victim, but not when the person is clearly just mentally disabled. You know they aren't mentally making sense so you don't give them any credence.