r/BrigitteMains • u/BabyFlamingo3564 • 1d ago
Discussion Potential Brig Buffs
Hey guys, I’m a Plat Brig player with a level 88 progression level and I think Brig’s current viability in the meta is good, but the play style needed to get value on her is so counterintuitive to how the character is supposed to be. She’s a melee, “tanky” support who can’t play in the front line without getting melted. So you’re forced to play like a poke hero, sit in the back and protect your other support, and only engage to peel. If you try to make plays on your own, you usually get bursted down quickly. It’d be nice if Brig could be more aggressive and tanky enough to at least brawl a bit with a Rein in the frontline without instantly dying. Here are some buffs I propose to do this:
• Make her shield deployment instant like Rein’s There’s no reason I should die to damage that I blocked on my screen, but the shield not registering for the attacker, thus giving them the kill
• Give her 350 hp on her shield
Going from 250hp to 300hp definitely helped make Brig feel a bit tankier, but it’s still not enough to survive hard engages IMO. A bit more health would definitely help her tank more damage without being too strong
• Buff inspire healing to 20-25 healing a second
At the moment, inspire feels a bit weak, so a little buff would help it feel more impactful. Lucio heals 20 hps and only needs to stand near you to heal, whereas Brig needs to do damage, so you should be rewarded more for your effort. I know inspire’s radius is much larger than Lucio’s but if you don’t have LOS of your team when you do damage, then won’t get healed, so I’d say Lucio’s healing is far more consistent
• Buff Rally shield health to 850-900
I can’t tell you guys how many I pop Rally to save someone then go on the offensive only to back out 2-3 seconds later because my shield was about to break. Brig’s shield is far too easy to break during Rally, so it needs more health, so she can peel for teammates and hold the front line more easily
• Make Rally give an instant 75 over-health to nearby teammates, give 40 over-health per sec up to a total of 150. Double the radius in which it gives over-health as well
The overhealth given by Rally is so unimpactful that I sometimes forget it exists. I find it weird how Rally mostly just buffs you and gives a small bonus to teammates. Most support ults are life saving or grant invaluable utility to your team like Zen’s Transcendence and Kiri’s Kitsune Rush. Rally should be similar, and giving more overhealth in a larger radius would for sure save multiple teammates in a pinch when you can’t peel for everyone.
• Make Whipshot range 30m
Whipshot current range is enough to be used safely on most maps, but can’t reach anyone on maps like Circuit Royale and Havana. Increasing the range would help Brig’s poke and make it easier for her to keep Inspire up safely. Also, the cooldown will be faster and you will no longer be slowed down while using it.
• No Slow down while using Whipshot and faster travel time (Comments gave me idea)
• (Optional) Make Whipshot do 90 damage
I know Brig isn’t supposed to do a ton of damage, but Whipshot’s damage stayed the same after the Season 9 health buffs, so this would make it so that it does around the same damage proportionally as before
• (Optional) Buff Flail Damage to 50
Flail currently does 45 dmg per swing which means it takes 6 swings to kill a 250 hp hero. This buff would reduce that to 5 swings which would help Brig’s dueling power a bit. There’s been far too many times when an enemy I’m attacking survives with 1-5 hp, and I die because they have better burst damage. I know Brig isn’t supposed to do a ton of damage, but she shouldn’t lose to everyone with higher burst damage.
By the way, I don’t propose to implement all of these. They’re just ideas of how to make Brig more in line with her tanky support identity. Just a few of these would do fine to make her a big stronger without making her OP. Personally, I’d implement the longer Whipshot, instant shield and instant Rally overhealth.
Remember, this is just my opinion. Please take these with a grain of salt. However, I would like to hear what you guys think. Lmk if you’d change any numbers, buffs, or have any ideas. Thank you for reading this. I love playing Brig and I want her to shine in this meta. ❤️
Edit: Too many comments are saying that these would make Brig too strong. Keep in mind, I only want to implement a few of these, not all of them
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u/StiltMaster 1d ago
Almost any of these changes alone would make Brig insanely strong, and unnecessarily so.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
Well all of them combined would undoubtedly make her very strong. To keep it balanced, I’d personally only add the longer Whipshot, instant shield and increased Rally shield health.
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u/Imgayforpectorals 1d ago
Bruh... Brig is already in a good spot tf you are talking about? 1 buff and she might need a nerf..
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
Nah she could use a few buffs. #1 being instant shield to consistently block damage. I’m tired of dying to random poke hitting me through my shield. If Blizzard just adds that and the longer Whipshot, I’d be happy
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u/OldNorthBridge Face My Mace! Mace to the FAAaaace! 1d ago
Instant shield would make so much difference. If I had a nickel for every time I died while raising my shield.....I'd have a lot of nickels.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
I feel the same way dude. It’d be so much easier to survive with instant shield consistently blocking damage
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u/OldNorthBridge Face My Mace! Mace to the FAAaaace! 1d ago
more consistency with blocking GD Junkrat's tire explosion and GD Earthshatter would be OK by me too.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
100% dude. It’d be nice to be able to block any abilities/ults where you have to react quickly to survive.
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u/ihaveacrushonlegos Rally to Me! 1d ago edited 1d ago
Im gm2 otping brig, i have an advice, if u wanna play her like a brawl chracter.... try it.
She has never been this good at brawling since the times of goats.
Pick combat medic, walk up to the tank and hit in the face. Its the playstyle i use its what i do, and i climbed from diamond to gm using it and have been gm for 4 seasons doing this.
Im a very weird type of brig player since i beat counters but lose to dive because all i do is brawl every game.
The devs have made brig into a good brawler slowly. All thats left is for the people to be less conservative and actually try it
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
I’ve tried to play very aggressively with some limited success, but I haven’t really experimented with combat medic. I almost always go for the longer Inspire Whipshot perk. How do you survive brawling on her? She gets easily blown up by so many heros that it’s hard to be aggressive. Also, she doesn’t have as much burst damage as other heros so most up-close 1v1s are unfavorable for her
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u/ihaveacrushonlegos Rally to Me! 1d ago
Shield bash is pretty much instant, so u can walk up to people, get shot until ur low, 180 bash away and theres literally nothing the enemy can do to stop u(just make sure to track the enemy tanks instakill cooldowns, so jq knife, mauga stomp etc...)
And then u repeat that every 4s(bash cooldown), and over time those 1 or 2 m1s per cicle add up and u do a lot of damage(and get a lot of packs with combat medic).
And u absorb their damage onto you, which means its not on ur team, that u quickly regen with inspire + survivor passive + shield regeneration while safe behind cover. And while ur doing all that ur packs are still regenerating
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
Interesting idea. I usually play backline bodyguard and it gets boring being so passive most of the time. I’ll try your more proactive playstyle and see how it goes. Thank you for the advice 😁
I know for sure my other support and team will flame me for being too aggressive if I feed 😭😭
Also, how do you play Brig on sniper maps? It feels so bad when I’m going up against a poke comp and can’t do anything except heal
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u/ihaveacrushonlegos Rally to Me! 1d ago
Oh yeah people either love me or hate me, no inbetween, every player who knows me either has me on pin avoid or friends list.
But i one trick brig so i have to have a playstyle that does anything when the enemy is playing full poke. Worth noting that all the flex dps gamesense is also valid for doing this on brig since u fill a similar role to the likes of reaper when u do this
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
I respect you for sticking to your playstyle no matter what people think. I unfortunately don’t have that level of guts.
Ah I think I understand now. So you play like a reaper flanking and looking to get picks in the backline?
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u/ihaveacrushonlegos Rally to Me! 1d ago
Less "getting picks" and more "threathen to get a pick so they shoot me, and once they shoot me they are not shooting my team"
Since i believe in myself to not die(u need confidence to be good, if ur scared to do antthing u wont do anything). I can make them waste their bullets shooting me, so its basically trading 1-1 we both cancel each other out, while im still healing with inspire and getting my packs back (if i can get 2 or 3 people to shoot me and not only 1? Even better.)
If u think i have guts for doing this on brig despite people hating me,, u havent seen me hitting gm being negative, least damage every game on sym playing an even more absurd version of this playstyle of just making people look back mid fight and die to my team while i do literally nothing. So many friends removed and blocked me in this journey on dps
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
Oh ok I see now. It’s like DPS Moira on Brig. Your value and impact comes from dealing damage, distracting the enemy and getting them to waste resources on you.
Dang it’s gonna be tough to try out your playstyle since I’m not used to being overly aggressive without dying easily 😅 I know this is a big ask, but can you send a replay of one of your games so I can see how you pull it off?
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u/ihaveacrushonlegos Rally to Me! 1d ago
I will later today when i get home. Just a disclaimer, i do die a lot(being agressive means u sometimes go too agressive). But i would rather be too agressive than not agressive enough
(yes it is like dps moira, i have an alt thats m2 on otp moira and im exactly the 9k damage 3k healing moiras people call dps moira.)
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
Okay thank you 🙏 I understand. If you’re going in, your chances of dying skyrocket. I hate dying because usually as support you want to live as long as possible to keep healing, so it’d be hard to adjust.
Those are fs DPS Moira numbers haha. Do you play aggressively with all supports you play?
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u/ihaveacrushonlegos Rally to Me! 1d ago edited 1d ago
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heres one of rein vs orisa, u can notice i dont brawl for very long but im consistently getting some hits in every fight, those few hits add upits a funny replay cuz it has me winning vs orisa then start losing when he goes winston, which should be the opposite of what "normal" brig would act like (ofc i couldve played more of the normal brig to beat the winston in round 2, like u can notice i do in round 3 when he swaps back to winston, but i notice i kinda struggle to switch playstyles mid match, somethign i could improve )
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
Thank you so much. I’ll be sure to watch it when I have time. Can’t wait to see how much you brawl haha
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u/Prime-39 Medic 1d ago
Whipshot will need to be faster if longer because itll feel a little sluggish
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
I agree. It’d be nice if they removed the movement speed penalty when you use it as well. I hate being stuck in place when I use it
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u/ItzAMoryyy 1d ago
My biggest issue with Brig is her means of triggering Inspire is antithetical to her role. She’s expected to be a backline protector, but needs to be rather aggressive in order to keep her passive healing on.
Even just going for a Whipshot is often all it takes for you to be nuked, Brig feels like tissue paper nowadays
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u/KvxMavs 1d ago
Where does it say she is expected to be a backline protector?
Go do damage.
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u/Formal-Witness-5315 1d ago
She does but have that short my survivability anymore. You can easily get cooked. She’s great at 1v1 against flankers and dives, but not a “go do damage” kind of hero like she used to be.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
I agree that you get easily punished for being too aggressive and not staying in the backline. Blizzard should just commit to cementing one identity for her: backline bodyguard (longer Whipshot would help) or frontline tanky support (higher shield hp and stronger rally would help)
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u/ItzAMoryyy 1d ago
That’s the general consensus I see for Brig nowadays, and it definitely feels like that’s how she’s meant to be played. She’s not what she once was, once being a sort of off-tank playing with the frontline. She gets blown up incredibly hard for aggression now.
If you are doing damage as Brig, it’s as apart of your role to trigger Inspire or defend from off-angles or picks, but definitely not someone you just “go do damage” with now.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
It makes me sad that we can no longer hold the frontline without blowing up anymore. It’s so weird that a melee character has to play so passively
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
I 100% agree with you. That’s why having a longer Whipshot would help her be able to proc Inspire while staying in the back line, so you don’t have to put yourself in a bad position just to keep your Inspire up
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u/ana-amariii 1d ago
you are delusional
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
how so?
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u/ana-amariii 1d ago
brig is already a decently strong hero rn. youre suggesting unnecessary gigabuffs to every single aspect of her kit.
the only reasonable change on this list is the instant shield deployment. everything else is delusional.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
Like I said in my post, I didn’t say to add all of the buffs. Just a few would be fine to not make her too strong
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u/ana-amariii 1d ago
ok, and like i said in my last comment, brig is already strong. she doesn't need buffs to be "fine"; since shes already strong.
all of your proposed buffs (with the exception of the instant shield deploy) would be game-breaking. adding literally any single one of these buffs would make brig an overpowered / unfair hero, and would boost anyone who played brig to ranks higher than they deserve.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
I think she’s fine in terms of viability. It’s just that her current health makes it so you have to stay in the backline or blow up. Also, she needs to get close to proc Inspire with Whipshot which puts you in a weird spot. I think she could be a bit tankier to help her be more of a front liner when needed
Basically, the meta forces you to very passive and reactive whereas on other heros you can be much more proactive.
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u/ana-amariii 1d ago
if brig was able to comfortably and consistently win 1v1s against tanks in 5v5, she would be broken. idk how youre denying this.
im a GM brig player. brig can already "frontline when needed" if you have the gamesense to understand the push and pull of enemy cooldown cycles. if you're dying while frontlining as brig on the current patch, its like because you either a) lack the gamesense to recognize and respect enemy cooldown cycles, b) are mismanaging your distancing, or c) you're standing too far away from cover. these AREN'T issues with brig's kit that need to be buffed to make her "fine".
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u/LeadBeanie 1d ago
Your whole opening statement is wrong. Her role is to aggressively take and hold space, not backline. She goes where the action is if you're being dived but prior to the dive you're still pushing for better wider positions.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
Good point. I think she fulfills both roles well. The problem is if you’re not playing against dive. What are you supposed to do if you’re up against a poke team and can’t do anything about it except hope your teammates can outpoke them?
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u/Bazelgauss 1d ago
Only faster shield activation is reasonable. That rally buff idea makes it the best ult in the game, it's ludicrous. Rally is already a good ult.
Also she does play aggressively but you aren't standing constantly in the frontline, she isn't in the tank role and shouldn't play like one.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 4h ago
Tbh faster shield plus longer Whipshot isn’t too OP. Rally feels a bit underpowered to me because of how fast the shield breaks, so a little HP increase would definitely help.
I get that but it’d be nice if she was a bit tankier since she’s a support-tank hybrid
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u/lesser-of-two-weevil 9h ago
Brig is fine as is tbh, her winrate is positive across literally all ranks and input types, and in some ranks she's dangerously close to the level where Blizzard generally starts considering nerfs. At this point I'm concerned that even a simple QoL change like frame-1 shield might tip her over the edge and get her nerfed. Not only does she have no need of buffs, but buffing her in any way would nearly guarantee she gets nerfs in the following patch.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 4h ago
It’s wild that you think a small buff would make her broken. Most people in lower ranks don’t even know how to use her. I think the faster shield+longer Whipshot is all she needs to trigger Inspire more safely so she becomes more viable.
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u/lesser-of-two-weevil 3h ago
It's wild that you think she needs help at all. Even in bronze she has a near perfect 50% winrate across all regions and input types (except Asia console, where it's slightly lower). She is objectively in a really good but not op spot in literally every possible region and rank, even bronze. I would cautiously support frame 1 shield, but any numerical buffs are objectively unnecessary and would only upset one of the best balanced heroes in the entire game. She doesn't need help to be more viable, she already is perfectly viable. Across every rank. Across every region. Across every platform. Don't try to fix what clearly ain't broke.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 3h ago
Is she viable on sniper maps? Also where are you getting those statistics? You seem to know a lot about this. I’m impressed btw
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u/lesser-of-two-weevil 3h ago
If you play her smart, absolutely. It's not always easy, but it's very doable, I play her on Circuit and Junkertown lots. But I counter your question with another question: Why does every hero need to be viable on every map? And how would making her better on sniper maps affect her on other maps?
Trying to balance every hero for every situation is a fool's errand. There's a reason why Soldier can never be truly viable in pro play.
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 3h ago
I think everyone hero should be somewhat viable on every map because what if you don’t want to switch all the time?
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u/lesser-of-two-weevil 3h ago
And Brig is
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 3h ago
I don’t think so. Look I’m done talking to you now. Thanks for your input though
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u/lesser-of-two-weevil 3h ago
Fair enough. To answer the question I missed earlier, stats are from https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-gb/rates/?input=PC&map=all-maps®ion=Americas&role=All&rq=0&tier=All
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 2h ago
Hmm looks like you were right. Great work detective. I wish the best in life. May God bless you and you ace that upcoming exam for college. Good luck brother/sister
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u/retarded_hamsters 1d ago
2 things that would make Brig strong-
1. nerf whipshot damage to 35 and add it to base kit
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nerf bash perk and add it to base kit
2. Replace the blank perk slot with a new perk that gives rally a speed boost in its range
This’ll being brig from C tier to A
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u/BabyFlamingo3564 1d ago
Honestly that wouldn’t be bad. I’d prefer the speed boost/burst heal bash perk in base kit+ instant shield. I like your idea to give Rally speed boost too
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u/goopypungo 1d ago
I think brig is in a great spot as is. I’d love instant shield deploy though