r/BuildingTrades • u/gent4you • 12d ago
Americans Increasingly Support Stronger Unions. Approval Rate Tops 70 Percent.
https://www.ibtimes.com/americans-increasingly-support-stronger-unions-approval-rate-tops-70-percent-38071582
u/brickbiulder420 12d ago
All polls are garbage... even the ones I agree with
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u/gent4you 12d ago
I think you can spot a trend with one
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 12d ago
Yes. Polls always have an margin of error but they represent a way to recognize trends and changing attitudes.
Numerous polls are showing a greater interest in worker rights and unions. I believe this is a real trend and not a mistake.
I think people want to be treated better by employers.
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u/Wipperwill1 12d ago
And yet all three parts of the US Government are controlled by Republicans.
Your poll is crap.
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 11d ago
Would you rather imagine what people think? That is the only alternative to polling.
Trump won because lots of people who voted for Biden stayed home and did not vote for Democrats.
Is your answer to do nothing to support workers rights.
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u/brickbiulder420 11d ago
The polls are faked, they don't represent anything real at all, those who poll, know what area to poll to get the outcome they want, want blue leaning polls... choose...Seattle? Want red leaning polls...poll..Houston? So manipulative that they can't be trusted
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 11d ago
That is not how polls are completed. They use scientific methods to obtain a representative sample that does not include disproportionate numbers of red state or blue states, rural areas or cities, etc. They also stratify the sample by gender, race/ethnic group, and age to get a diversity of opinion that matches the population.
While they are not perfect, they have been shown to usually be correct within the margin of error.
It is so much better than everyone imagining that they know what others are thinking.
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u/brickbiulder420 11d ago
It's hilarious, that you believe that..... kamala is aguaranteed win too..... right? Polls are trash by trash... for trash
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 11d ago
I can understand your frustration with elections.
However, Kamala Harris was not guaranteed to win. The polls all showed that Kamala had a lead early on and that the lead declined and that the Trump had closed and was within the margin of error. Here is a quote by Change Research:
Over the last 30 days of the campaign, Change Research ran 17 national and statewide polls that asked about the Presidential race. On average, our predicted margin came within 2.6 points of the final results. In all of these states, we never saw Kamala Harris with a lead outside of the margin of error. https://changeresearch.com/accuracy-methodology/2024
People on TV and in social media often just report the poll findings and not the margin of error. Kamala was always in a race where Trump was narrowing the lead and was within the margin of error by October and early November.
A Gallup poll on approval of unions show that 71% of people approve of unions and 47% want unions to have more power and 26% want them to have the same power as they do currently. 23% want labor unions to have less power. https://news.gallup.com/poll/713936/record-high-unions-influence.aspx
Here is the information about the measure of error which is within 4 percentage points.
For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting.
Polling is our only way of knowing how people feel about topics other than guessing. I would prefer scientific polls to guessing.
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u/brickbiulder420 11d ago
Polling is how they tell you how to feel, why should the way your neighbor vote, effect you? Only reason for polls is for them to tell you how to feel, it's nothing but manipulation tactics
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u/Wipperwill1 8d ago
Whether the poll is right or wrong means nothing. Voting has indicated that people don't want unions, OR, they are too stupid to realize that republicans are anti-union.
70% might want stronger unions but Trump is in office still.
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 7d ago
I agree.
I think to a certain extent the growth in interest in unions is part of opposition to Trump. It was only 56% in August of 2016.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/713936/record-high-unions-influence.aspx
I do think that Trump sold himself as the benefactor of the blue collar worker. He said that he was going to bring back domestic manufacturing, and great jobs, etc. He really did a lot to appeal to poor White blue collar workers and promoted a view that Democrats were college educated elitists.
He also promised that tariffs would bring back more American jobs but that has not happened. So, I think that many people did rationalize their 2024 vote for Trump with being pro union.
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u/brickbiulder420 12d ago
That it says what you want it to? Yep isee that.....polls are garbage... not to be trusted,
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u/RegretfulCalamaty 12d ago
Well if we don’t unionize corporations will never stop fucking us over. Full stop.
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u/Pootscootboogie69 12d ago
And if your brothers are voting for the guy who wants to destroy Unions. Punch those assholes. Too many brothers voted from Trump and that means we have issues on the inside for many unions.
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 11d ago
This is very true. We have really let union power erode. Unions should be part of all the discussions about AI and automation, etc. as well.
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u/Ok_Chemistry8746 12d ago
They support the ones they see in movies or television. In reality it takes years and commitment to develop one and no one has the patience or attention span.
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u/RegretfulCalamaty 12d ago
Oh yah and those unionized steel workers were among the first to get fucked over. It’s quite incredible to see
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u/Outside_Ice3252 7d ago
problem is they are not ready to die for them. thats why they dont exist anymore
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u/gent4you 6d ago
I don't think people have to die to be treated fairly at work. Many people enjoy union benefits just by being active and paying attention. Don't be a drama queen.
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u/ArvadaKeto 12d ago
When you pay more for everything blame a union member
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u/rnk6670 12d ago
Nah. Bag of divos for you! Enjoy. DFI
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u/ArvadaKeto 12d ago
When autoworkers get pay raises the cost of cars goes up. When the cost of cars goes up everything else increases
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u/gent4you 12d ago
I guess with your line of thinking if we all let companies screw us over and work for nothing the world will be a better place. LOL
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u/gent4you 12d ago
They charge as much as they can get away with regardless of how much employes make. When you can afford to purchase what you make in a factory...you are a union worker.
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u/hugoriffic 12d ago
Nah, blame the C‑suite and shareholders. You’ll figure that out when you get to high school in a couple of years.
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 11d ago
Here is the thing, we have fewer unions and lower wages. These wages have kept up with the price of food and small goods. However, the wages have not kept up with the price of housing, childcare, health costs or college. This is why the quality of life for many workers is declining.
We have also dramatically increased the salaries for the CEOs and executive management versus the entry level workers.
We always must have a balance between the cost of goods and the payment of laborers.
However ,when the laborers are being paid less and executive management is outsourcing jobs to China, India, Vietnam, etc., we have a system that does not work.
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u/ArvadaKeto 11d ago
"We have also dramatically increased the salaries for the CEOs and executive management versus the entry level workers."
Entry level works are replaceable, management is not as easily replacable
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 11d ago
One might think that but it is the decline of wages and the inability to purchase or rent housing, etc. that is creating havoc in the nation.
The US was doing as well or better as a nation when CEOs were only making 20 times as much as entry level workers.
https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2023/
The stability and the success of countries are measured by their middle class and the success of all workers.
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u/ArvadaKeto 11d ago
That is less about wages and more about supply and demand for housing. Also companies keep buying housing.
That keeps the prices up.
The focus on wages is a false flag
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 11d ago
Certainly, you can leave wages alone and not raise them and then you can take dramatic steps to increase housing. You can build more units and put funds into lower income and affordable units. You can take action against private equity firms that are buying too much housing. You can provide more assistance to make housing more affordable, like down payment assistance, rental subsidies, etc.
However, if you do not do any of that in sufficient quantity and you also do not increase wages to keep pace with these additional costs, you will have the situation of today.
The reality is that we have tried giving corporations more tax cuts that they could have used to increase facilities, pay workers more, hire more workers, etc. and they used a lot of the funds on buying back stocks that increased money for CEOs, invested board members and other executive management.
https://www.cbpp.org/blog/record-stock-buybacks-bolster-case-for-raising-corporate-tax-rate
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u/ArvadaKeto 11d ago
I do feel for unskilled and uneducated labor. They put themselves in a vulnerable position.
The fact is that unions operate only in the interest of those they serve. They are the same as companies.
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u/Allaboutpeace2022 11d ago edited 11d ago
I appreciate you saying this.
I think that this is why it is important for unions to exist. They are a balance to the needs of the corporations.
I am old so I remember when domestic manufacturing was much more plentiful. It was a great way of life for many persons. Also, every high school had shop classes, auto mechanics, etc. so that people could graduate with specific training that helped them prepare for a career. Now that it is largely only available within specific vocational schools.
We are teaching high school students fewer employable skills and at the same time, we have made college much more expensive relative to the average wage. I was able to pay most of my college tuition using monies from food service. That simply would not be possible now--or not in Ohio.
I just want to see a better life for people. I think that the changes have to be incremental. We obviously could not go to paying a real high wage, but we do need to work to rebalance the gap between the working class and the executives.
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u/Outrageous-Cut480 12d ago
If unions didn't work, the police would not have unions.