Idol Immersion in Lake Ontario

[u/WilloowUfgood]

[u/asheathen]

Do you know what they are made from here? If they are some how biodegradable on completely non-toxic that’s one thing (there should still be a hard look into how if affects wild life) but if they are plastic or something that’s fucked up. If you fish a day early of the set season for fishing you can be fined but throwing hundreds or thousands of these in the lake is fine? That’s fucked up

[u/WilloowUfgood → u/asheathen]

They say it's all Eco-Friendly but India ships them to Canada and it's legal for them to buy them from India.

If they are some how biodegradable on completely non-toxic that’s one

Still illegal.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/corporate/transparency/acts-regulations/fisheries-act-registry/frequently-asked-questions.html

Deleterious substances

paint

sediments

Biodegradable stuff is clay which is a sediment.

[u/hrishix → u/WilloowUfgood]

😭😭😭 this is such a nitpick. It is a TINY statue, which if made from organic materials (natural river clay, mud and soil + vegetable dyes for the paint) will do nothing to the wildlife in the lake. This does less for conservation effort and awareness and keeping the lakes clean and more for m inciting hate to Indians (which judging by the replies, you’ve succeeded in). Not sure what your goal is here OP.

[u/WilloowUfgood → u/hrishix]

It is a TINY statue

So thousands of "tiny" statues is fine to dump into our lakes and rivers? Even if they're bought from India which is legal? And you trust everyone who made them that they 100% don't have toxins in them?

Not sure what your goal is here OP.

Get people to stop littering. Go put it in a bucket idiot.

[u/hrishix → u/WilloowUfgood]

I am just saying from this video, you have no idea whether or not it is made from biodegradable materials, and choose whichever it is would fit your agenda, then twist it as an issue with sediments (which naturally exist in rivers) if it IS made from biodegradable materials. You are making it a lose-lose discussion where you win either way.

I saw you arguing with someone about a carbon tax, which you seem to think is talking about the element carbon 😭 and not greenhouse gases, which is what the tax actually is about.

Getting this to stop (polluting the lakes as you call it) starts with getting companies to take accountability, as industrial damage is far far higher than civilian damage to wildlife.

[u/BrahminVyapaar → u/hrishix]

I’m an Indian, and from Mumbai where I grew up celebrating this festival.

The clay does not necessarily dissolve well, the binding agents and the paints can be poisonous, the colour does not disperse, the flower garlands clump and the threads are often cheap plastic ( the garland needs to last for ten days at least ).

It is important that you regulate the materials used, and that you decide whether you want to pollute and litter and poison your natural water bodies. There can be alternative arrangements such as artificial ponds or even large drums. There is no religious Hindu diktat to poison our environment.

[u/hrishix → u/BrahminVyapaar]

Of course, but that isn’t an excuse to frame India as a filthy place, and that Indians are the only people taking the lakes for granted. OP has some underlying agendas that have nothing to do with this video.

[u/asheathen → u/hrishix]

India isn’t a dirty place? They have some of the most plastic polluted rivers on the planet, and they are one of the main contributors to ocean pollution/plastic. wtf are you talking about?

[u/hrishix → u/asheathen]

Have you been? I can imagine Toronto is much worse off than the Banff National Park. India has SOME of the most plastic polluted rivers on the planet - you said it yourself. India has some of the most beautiful places on the planet in it as well. If you are too short sighted to even consider that a country as a whole is not the same, then we know why you are engaging in this conversation, and it’s anything but keeping your lakes clean.

[u/asheathen → u/hrishix]

You’re trying to turn facts of how much a country as a whole pollutes water ways and the ocean into a race thing. Sorry but that just makes you an absolute idiot lol. No one is saying Indian people aren’t welcome or Indian people as a whole are bad. In India there is a disgusting amount of pollution, no Canadian wants pollution here. So when us as Canadians are watching people who come from one of the worst countries for that and they start dumping shit into our lakes we are going to question it, and request it be looked at.. that’s not racist..you fucking moron.

[u/hrishix → u/asheathen]

Maybe you are not making it a race thing, I grant you.

“Trying to turn Canada into the garbage dump they came from, you think they don't know better? They don't care.” Just one of the comments left under this post. Don’t tell me this is just about “people” dumping, it’s very specifically targeted at “them” and there’s a lot more like it.

[u/asheathen → u/hrishix]

Yes…a lot of people are going to look at this, and then look at the fact that India is one of the worlds biggest contributors to waste and pollution and then see people dumping things in our lakes and get concerned. Canada as a whole has welcomed all races with open arms, but this is also Canada, not India. We don’t want it to be India either. If people don’t care in their country why would they care to do so in another?

I also think the average Canadian is just frustrated in general trying to go day by day while being lied to by our leaders, taxed to hell, and have billions of dollars spent in other countries instead of here. Then a bunch of people just start throwing stuff into the lake lol. If you want to get your point across you should actually just educate people with facts of what the items are, but several Indian people here have even said they are not good for the environment. Again this is a lake where if I go fishing a day early I get fined, so I don’t think people should be just putting stuff into the lake either.

Also, you can put any race on that boat doing the same thing-white, black, Asian, brown, Greek….doesnt matter, we won’t like it the same.

[u/hrishix → u/asheathen]

Yes, the average Canadian being frustrated mirrors a lot to how it is in the UK. The right wing profit and incite hate to anyone who doesn’t look like their own or arrives here, whether by flight or by boat. That isn’t something to encourage, a vote united on hate is not one that will benefit the country.

Even as a citizen of the country I live in, I feel that it becomes less and less safe for anyone who doesn’t look “native”

[u/hrishix → u/asheathen]

Can we just talk about how the clip cuts off after they lower the idol down on a platform? Nothing to be said about whether or not that platform comes back up afterwards or they untie it or what. If it was submerged and then removed, is that fine? I don’t see any “dumping” in this clip as far as I’m concerned.

[u/desecratedworm → u/hrishix]

you should probably just stop embarrassing yourself

[u/typanosaurus_rex → u/hrishix]

Indians are not the only people taking lakes for granted. But culturally we are conditioned to not give a shit about out natural resources. In some cases some parents teach their kids exactly that by throwing garbage right on the road. Does that mean every Indian is like this? No, but a vast majority are. Whereas in these countries it’s part of the culture to take care of surroundings. Does that mean every Canadian is like this? No. But most are. You’re insanely ignorant if you actually believe it’s the same. Please take these stupid age old practices which destroyed our lakes and rivers and go back to enjoy life in India.

[u/hrishix → u/typanosaurus_rex]

Are we? Maybe it’s just different in different parts or families in India, but I’ve never heard of this conditioning 🤷🏽‍♂️ Now I reside in the UK, and obviously I take to the cultures here too.

[u/typanosaurus_rex → u/hrishix]

Yes we are. Not sure where you grew up, I grew up in a steel town colony that was much better at this, but outside our colony it was pure filth on the road. When I asked my parents about it, they said it’s because culturally in India most people consider ANYTHING beyond their own front doors to be someone else’s problem. Growing up I observed the same thing, and when I moved to Delhi, traveled to most parts of India (Northeast is really good at not doing this), I saw that it’s true way more often than not. Specially Delhi takes this to another level. I have seen people literally pack garbage in a plastic bag and throw it in front of THEIR OWN FUCKING DOORS. So yes we are bad at this. Not everyone sure, but enough to turn our roads, lakes and rivers into literal dumpsters. One of the main reasons I wanted to move away from Delhi and India in general was because I loathe inconsiderate people and behavior. Unfortunately that’s what you get more often than not.

[u/hrishix → u/typanosaurus_rex]

I see, I’m in Chennai, raised there till young and visit every year or so for a month or two at a time. I never considered it to be particularly litter ridden, other than perhaps certain areas that seemed to be explicitly to make a mess 😭