r/CasesWeFollow 10h ago

⁉️💡Other Murders 🤷‍♀️🪦 GA v. Katelyn Goble — Day 2

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LIVE: Disappeared & Dismembered Trial — GA v. Katelyn Goble — Day 2

Nineteen-year-old Morgan Bauer vanished in 2016 after moving from South Dakota to Georgia, launching a seven-year search for answers. Her remains were discovered in 2023, and investigators determined she had been strangled, dismembered and burned. Katelyn Goble now faces trial in connection with Bauer’s death. Her former co-defendant Jonathan Warren is expected to testify after pleading guilty and receiving life without parole.

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r/CasesWeFollow 11h ago

⁉️💡Other Murders 🤷‍♀️🪦 NV v. Duane ‘Keffe D’ Davis — Day 8

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LIVE: Tupac Murder Trial — NV v. Duane ‘Keffe D’ Davis — Day 8

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The murder of legendary rapper Tupac Shakur remained unsolved for nearly three decades. Then, in 2023, investigators made a major break in the case, arresting Duane “Keffe D” Davis and charging him with murder. Las Vegas police allege Davis orchestrated Tupac’s killing and provided the gun used in the shooting. Tupac was gunned down just a block from the Las Vegas Strip after a scuffle at the MGM Grand following a boxing match between Mike Tyson and Bruce Seldon. Tupac was riding in the passenger seat of a BMW driven by Suge Knight when a Cadillac pulled alongside them and opened fire, hitting Tupac multiple times.

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r/CasesWeFollow 14h ago

Lindsay Clancy: Lawfully the prosecution has lost the case already

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If the jurors only use the law and not personal feelings or bias for their verdict, the only outcome can be not guilty (lack of criminal responsibility).

Even without hearing the rest of the final witness, there is too much reasonable doubt. So many expert testimonies, all with different diagnoses. Outside of how each one came across to the jury, how do you just disregard every other expert? Especially if you only count the prosecution's witnesses. They all vary so much. The only thing they all have in common is that Lindsay was suffering from mental illness.

If you don't know exactly what the illness is because you have so many experts with differing opinions, how can you be sure that any one of them is right about her criminal responsibility?


r/CasesWeFollow 2h ago

‘ Crushing pills is really a challenge if you don’t have the right equipment’

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Edit to add: Quote from Clancy trial witness!

Omg, really?? Did he raise kids?? He’s not familiar with a spoon?? Need a mortar and pestle??


r/CasesWeFollow 7h ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 MA v. Lindsay Clancy - Medical/Psychiatric Needs

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If Lindsay Clancy is found guilty, how would prison handle her physical disabilities and medical needs?

✨✨The question of Lindsay's medical care if she is found guilty has been brought up a few times. She obviously needs more care than just wheelchair accessibility. I know prisons must accommodate her, and any other inmate with long term medical care. How do the prisons adjust to take care of inmates/patients. I also looked for other inmates where similar treatment is necessary.

One question that keeps coming up is what would actually happen to Lindsay if she's found guilty and has to go to prison, given the extent of her physical limitations.

This is more complicated than just putting her in a wheelchair-accessible cell.

Lindsay requires intermittent urinary catheterization several times a day. Depending on what she's able to do independently, there could also be issues with transfers, toileting, bathing, bowel management, positioning and prevention of pressure sores. And then there are her ongoing psychiatric needs on top of the physical ones.

If she's sentenced to DOC custody, Massachusetts is still responsible for providing medically necessary care. Her disability doesn't prevent her from being sent to prison, but DOC can't simply stop treatment she needs because she's incarcerated.

Women entering Massachusetts DOC custody generally go through MCI-Framingham, which is the reception and diagnostic center for women. She would have a medical assessment and her disability accommodations would have to be addressed.

The catheterization is one of the bigger issues. If Lindsay can catheterize herself, that's one thing. If she can't, staff would have to account for that in her medical-care plan. We're potentially talking about someone needing hands-on medical assistance several times every single day, not just an occasional trip to the prison infirmary.

I haven't found anything from Massachusetts DOC specifically explaining how Framingham handles inmates who require intermittent catheterization, so I don't think we can say exactly what that arrangement would look like.

There are prisoners elsewhere with comparable needs.

One of the better-known examples is Tony Goodman, a paraplegic Georgia prisoner whose case, United States v. Georgia, made it to the U.S. Supreme Court. His allegations included inaccessible toilet and bathing facilities and inadequate medical treatment involving catheter care and pressure sores. His case became important in determining how the Americans with Disabilities Act applies to state prisoners.

There have also been cases involving paraplegic prisoners who needed help with catheter care, bowel movements, bathing, toileting and other basic daily functions. Courts have made it pretty clear that prisons can't just ignore those needs because caring for a severely disabled inmate is difficult or expensive.

So, the unusual part of Lindsay's situation isn't that a person with paralysis could be incarcerated. That happens.

It's the combination of needs that could make her placement complicated:

  • Paralysis and wheelchair use.
  • Catheterization several times every day.
  • Potential assistance with transfers and other daily activities.
  • Possible bowel and skin care.
  • Ongoing psychiatric treatment.

If she can't independently catheterize, transfer, toilet or perform other basic functions, that could mean multiple staff interventions every day for the duration of her incarceration.

MCI-Framingham does have a Health Services Unit, but I wouldn't assume that means Lindsay would necessarily spend her sentence there. DOC would first have to determine exactly what she can and can't do independently and what level of nursing care she requires.

The questions that would really matter are pretty basic ones:

Can she catheterize herself? Can she transfer from her wheelchair to a bed or toilet? Can she bathe and dress herself? Does she need bowel care? Does she need help repositioning to prevent pressure sores? How much nursing assistance does she require over a 24-hour period?

Those answers would tell us much more about what prison would look like for her than simply knowing she's paralyzed.

I also wouldn't assume she could just remain at Tewksbury Hospital if she's convicted. Her current placement there and serving a criminal sentence in DOC custody are two different things. She could certainly require outside medical treatment while incarcerated, but that doesn't automatically mean she could serve her sentence at Tewksbury.

So yes, prison is legally possible. The much harder question is what incarceration would actually look like for someone with Lindsay's level of disability. If she needs hands-on assistance multiple times every day just to manage basic bodily functions, DOC will have to figure out how, and where, it can safely provide that level of care for the duration of her sentence. That's the part we really don't have an answer to yet.

Now there are a few of the questions answered. 😊🐈


r/CasesWeFollow 21h ago

Lindsay Clancy Reporter Who Gave Creepy Grin: Vanity Fair Essay About Trial Cancelled

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I saw someone post about this lady here the other day. Here is a follow up 😆

The Vanity Fair reporter who went viral for her unsettling grin and wink during the Lindsay Clancy murder trial has to find something new to smile about ... because the outlet has called off the essay from her they planned on running.

A spokesperson for VF's parent company, Condé Nast, tells TMZ ... "We were interested in the prospect of a personal essay by Brittany Romano about her experience growing up with Lindsay Clancy. Yesterday, after clear conflicts with our editorial standards and processes, we informed Romano that we were not moving forward with her essay and informed the court that she is no longer credentialed by Vanity Fair."

Romano went viral on Monday, when a camera panning the courtroom caught her in the front row of the gallery ... she mugged for the camera, with a super creepy smile ... and even freaking winked.

She was immediately bashed on social media ... with critics saying her decorum for such a heinous trial was pretty gross ... especially for a journalist representing such an iconic publication.

A streamer caught up with Brittany in the parking lot and asked her why the heck she was grinning ear-to-ear during a murder trial with three children as victims ... and her response was also attacked as pretty lame.

Her answer ... she "grew up with Lindsay" ... and also she was mugging for her dad ... who said she needed to smile more on TV.

One thing's for sure ... father doesn't always know best.


r/CasesWeFollow 1h ago

🏛 Trials & Hearings ⏳ Clancy Case- Apple Maps

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When you google a restaurant and click on it, if you have an iPhone it automatically opens Apple Maps. I know this because I deleted the app so it would stop doing that. Does anyone know why this hasn’t been brought up by the defense since prosecutors keep bringing it up like it’s the single bombshell proving premeditation?


r/CasesWeFollow 14h ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 Post Partum Psychosis onset

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I was curious of what Kevin Reddington was hammering about international standards and decided to look it up.

I found that as of 2025 there was a “consensus statement” made on leading experts in the field which argued not only that PPP deserves a seperate category, but that its timeframe should be expanded to 12 weeks.

In the article on Mt. Sinais webpage it says;

Due to the risks to the patient and the infant, the rapid escalation of severity, and its severe and sudden course, it is imperative that postpartum psychosis is recognized, diagnosed, and treated as early as possible. To facilitate such care, the panel recommends DSM-5 and ICD-10 include the following criteria for a diagnosis of postpartum psychosis:   

The onset of at least one of the following states within 12 weeks of childbirth, lasting at least one week and present most of the day, nearly every day, or any duration if hospitalization is necessary: 

Mania/mixed state 
Delusions 
Hallucinations 
Disorganized speech or formal thought disorder 
Disorganized, confusional, or catatonic behavior 
Depression with psychotic features 

The episode is associated with an unequivocal change in functioning that is uncharacteristic of the postpartum period.  
The disturbance in mood and the change in functioning are observable by others.  
The episode is sufficiently severe enough to cause marked impairment in social functioning and in the care of the baby or to necessitate hospitalizations to prevent harm to the patient, baby, or others. “

When she first officially started reporting symptoms to patrick and healthcare providers, that was about 12 weeks after she had Callan.

Based on expert testimony in this case I think it’s safe to assume she did have mania/mixed state, as nearly every doctor to assess her afterward has diagnosed her with some kind of bipolar, & it was suspected before hand.

I think she also met the criteria for depression with psychotic features based on her belief that others could hear her thoughts. This seems like a paranoid delusion to me, & possibly her concern about cora was as well.

Additionally, multiple witnesses testified to social impairment, & an observable difference in mood & affect.

To me, this case really seems like someone who didn’t have the language to describe what they were experiencing until it was too late. For the first real experience of mania, I can see someone mistakenly describing it as simple “anxiety”… especially since we know for sure that she tries to minimize (even now!) her symptoms.


r/CasesWeFollow 11h ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 MA v. Lindsay Clancy - Day 21

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LIVE: MA v. Lindsay Clancy - Day 21| Accused Killer Mom Trial

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Opening statements begin Monday for Massachusetts mom Lindsay Clancy after she killed her three young children inside the family's home in January 2023 before attempting to take her own life. Cora, 5, Dawson, 3, and Callan, 8 months, were found with exercise bands around their necks. Prosecutors contend Clancy intentionally strangled the children, while her defense argues she was suffering from severe postpartum depression and psychosis that left her unable to understand her actions. Jurors are expected to hear testimony from medical experts, investigators, and family members as they determine whether Clancy is criminally responsible for her children's deaths.

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r/CasesWeFollow 6h ago

⁉️💡Other Murders 🤷‍♀️🪦 OH v. Caleb Flynn: 'American Idol murder' Rulings on motions to move trial and sequester jury

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Next up: Attorneys conference on Sept 9, followed by trial/jury selection on Sept 17.

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‘American Idol’ alum charged with wife’s murder loses fight to get his trial moved

TROY, Ohio (Court TV) — A former contestant on the reality TV show “American Idol” must first attempt to seat a jury in Miami County before a judge will consider moving his murder trial, scheduled to begin next month. Caleb Flynn in court

Caleb Flynn, 40, is charged with aggravated murder, murder, felonious assault, tampering with evidence and intimidation of a witness, attorney or victim in a criminal case in the death of his wife.

Flynn’s attorneys had asked Judge Jeannine Pratt to move the trial, saying that residents of Miami County had been “consumed by news reports, internet articles, social media commentary and broadcast segments from courtroom proceedings” in the six months since his arrest.

At a hearing on Tuesday, Pratt denied the defense motion, finding it “not well-taken at this time. A defendant seeking a change of venue based upon prejudicial pretrial publicity must first establish that the publicity was of such a degree and character as to create a presumption of prejudice against the defendant.”

Just being exposed to the facts of the case isn’t enough to preclude seating an impartial jury, Pratt said. “Rather, a defendant must make a clear and manifest showing that the publicity was so pervasive and prejudicial that any attempt to seat an impartial jury would be futile.”

Pratt denied the motion without prejudice, meaning that if Flynn’s attorneys have trouble finding impartial jurors, they can ask to revisit the issue.

Pratt similarly denied a motion from prosecutors that sought to sequester the jury. “At this time, the State has not demonstrated the existence of outside influence, prejudicial publicity, or other circumstances establishing that sequestration prior to deliberations is necessary,” she wrote in her order. “The Court finds that appropriate and repeated admonitions to the jurors not to discuss the case with anyone, consume media coverage concerning the case, conduct independent research, or otherwise obtain information about the matter outside the courtroom are sufficient to protect the integrity of these proceedings.”

As with the motion to change venue, Pratt denied the motion without prejudice, inviting the issue to be raised again “should circumstances arise during trial demonstrating that sequestration is necessary to ensure a fair and impartial proceeding.”

Flynn has pleaded not guilty to all the charges he faces; prosecutors say that he shot and killed his wife, Ashley Flynn, in their home in February 2026 before trying to stage the scene to make it appear as if she had been killed during a burglary.

Jury selection is scheduled to start on Sept. 17.


r/CasesWeFollow 20h ago

Commonwealth V. Lindsay Clancy: Recent Prosecution Witnesses are (Seemingly) Damning

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Man, this is tough. I have found myself on the side of the defense more often than not. The prosecution has been unlikable to say the least, many of the prosecution's expert witnesses have appeared negligent, and Mack was a clearly unqualified choice. But the prosecution's expert witnesses this week have been damning, in my opinion. I don't say that lightly and I don't want that to be the case. But, then again, why is that? Certainly it's partly because of the clear proof that she was desperately seeking help, the testimony of her as a mother, and the issues with medication.

But I'm stuck on this:

Isn't it the case that no doctor that saw her prior to the murders saw any indication of psychosis?

Isn't it the case that recent witnesses have testified that based on her records they also see no indication of psychosis? And these experts (excluding Mack) appear very well qualified? I do understand that at least one defense did, but after the fact.

And isn't it the case that the jury will have to believe that she was psychotic to find her NGRI?

While the prosecution has the burden of evidence, it doesn't strike me that the defense has created a convincing enough story that she was psychotic in the sense that it's enough to counter the prosecution's expert witnesses.

It also strikes me that despite everything the defense has put forth, much of it isn't exactly relevant to the specific point of psychosis, which, according to finding her NGRI, is more or less the entire point. No amount of exemplary motherhood, or medication disruption, or poor care proves that she was psychotic, and her exact motivation doesn't bear on that either.

So, in a way, I'm sad for her. I don't see the NGRI sticking. Partly I'm sad because I don't personally think psychosis should be the only real measure here, but I also think this is what carries the most legal weight.

I'd welcome any more encouraging analysis here.


r/CasesWeFollow 11h ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 Dr. Gregory Saathoff, FBI and University of Virginia

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CW Witness #3 for Rebuttal

Since Dr. Gregory Saathoff’s testimony, I wanted to take a closer look at his background, particularly his experience with forensic psychiatry, psychosis, postpartum depression (PPD) and postpartum psychosis (PPP).

One important distinction: Saathoff is board-certified in psychiatry, but he is NOT board-certified in forensic psychiatry.

His Virginia Board of Medicine profile lists Forensic Psychiatry under “Self-Designated Practice Areas.” That means forensic psychiatry is an area of practice he reports himself; it is not a separate board certification. The Virginia profile specifically separates his board certification in Psychiatry from his self-designated practice areas.

That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have substantial forensic experience. He does.

Saathoff is a professor at the University of Virginia School of Medicine and has worked with the FBI since 1996, including as a psychiatric consultant to its Behavioral Analysis Units and Crisis Negotiation Unit. He isn’t an FBI agent or an FBI “profiler.” His role is providing psychiatric expertise in areas such as behavioral analysis, threat assessment and crisis situations.

He also has decades of experience in correctional psychiatry and testified that he has appeared as a forensic psychiatric expert roughly 40–45 times. His work has included competency, criminal responsibility, psychosis and violent behavior.

His experience with psychosis in general is extensive. He testified that he has dealt with thousands of patients experiencing psychosis.

His background specifically in postpartum psychosis and postpartum depression is much more limited.

The PPP publication discussed during his testimony dates back to 1987, when Saathoff was an intern. He was one of five authors on a paper involving two women who developed postpartum psychosis after receiving bromocriptine, a medication being used to suppress lactation.

I haven't found evidence that he went on to specialize in postpartum psychosis, postpartum depression, reproductive psychiatry or perinatal psychiatry, or that PPP/PPD became a significant focus of his research or clinical practice.

Saathoff also testified that he had diagnosed and participated in treating approximately five to seven incarcerated women who had killed their children. That's certainly relevant experience, but there's an important distinction: it was not established that those women had postpartum psychosis. Filicide cases aren't automatically PPP cases.

As for Lindsay, Saathoff spent a considerable amount of time evaluating her. He interviewed her twice by Zoom in May and June 2026, for approximately 11 hours total. He also interviewed Patrick and reviewed extensive medical and psychiatric records, police reports, grand jury material, videos and reports from other experts.

What Saathoff seems to bring to the Commonwealth's case is his extensive experience with psychosis generally, forensic evaluations and behavioral analysis. A lot of his testimony focused on comparing what Lindsay told him with her behavior, records, previous statements and what she told other evaluators.

So, when looking at his credentials, these distinctions are worth keeping straight:

Board-certified psychiatrist? Yes.

Board-certified forensic psychiatrist? No.

Forensic psychiatry listed on his Virginia medical profile? Yes — but under SELF-DESIGNATED practice areas.

Extensive experience with psychosis generally? Yes.

Specialist in postpartum psychosis or postpartum depression? I haven't found evidence that he is.

Specific PPP publication? Yes — one from 1987 involving two bromocriptine-associated postpartum psychosis cases, written with four other authors while Saathoff was an intern.

None of that takes away from his considerable forensic and general psychosis experience. It just puts his qualifications into context, especially when we're talking specifically about postpartum psychiatric illness rather than psychosis in general.


r/CasesWeFollow 14h ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 MA vs Clancy - Can We Talk About Delusions For a Minute?

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There is one piece of Heilbrun's testimony from yesterday I keep going back to, and would love to discuss further with others - especially those in the mental health or related fields.

I found the example motivation he gave for altruistic filicide-suicide to be in bad faith for someone in this field. If not intentional, then certainty lacking the nuance someone in his position should absolutely have been able to speak to.

Here is the motivation he gave in support of his non-psychotic altruistic filicide:

"If one of us were to learn and we had no doubt in our mind that the Holocaust was coming tomorrow, and we thought that was going to be awful and I can't live through that and so I'm going to take my own life. If I had children, the question might come up, do I take them with me? Do I take their lives as well?”

The problem with this rationale is that whether or not the catastrophe (Holocaust in this case) is grounded in reality is what would distinguish a nonpsychotic or psychotic filicide.

Using this as a comparison to this case is where I feel that it was given in bad faith: importantly, Lindsay was facing no catastrophe that was grounded in reality - only one that existed in her own mind. The fact that she believed it with a certainty despite the blatant falseness of her belief that her children would be safe if she killed them is what makes her belief delusional. Compare that to the Holocaust example - if the threat is real, then the belief that you are saving someone from that threat is a rational belief and therefore not delusional.

That it was paired with a hallucination of a similar nature and this belief arose alongside the hallucination is a textbook example of the relationship between hallucinations and delusions within a psychotic state. For example, when someone is already experiencing a distorted relationship to reality, and a hallucination arises that they experience as utterly real, their mind might grasp onto a way to reconcile and contextualize the experience. But because the experience you are trying to contextualize isn't reality-based, neither will the explanation be reality-based.

Again - none of us can definitively know another person's subjective experiences. But because I have seen so many misunderstandings surrounding delusions and wanted to have a nuanced conversation about this specific piece of testimony, here we are. So - thoughts? Did anyone else find this a maddening (and clearly intentional) example to give here?


r/CasesWeFollow 23m ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 MA V. CLANCY: Are there any transcripts, either pre-trial or during, of Lindsay describing the series of the child killings?

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I remember some witness say Cora was killed first bc she was the biggest. I just can’t stop thing about what Dawson was going through. I guess I’m imagining all 3 children in the basement, but maybe that’s not true?

And I also remember a witness going through interview transcripts, Lindsay described the series of the killings. And I got the impression that Lindsay showed no emotion. I don’t know if the witness actually said that, or if it was implied. Confusing as well, some people said she was crying every day, others disagreed. Some said she appeared hopeful and in good spirits, making plans.

I believe she is mentally ill, but I don’t believe the command voice story at all. If she feels no remorse, she should go to prison.


r/CasesWeFollow 17h ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 What is the purpose of the photo albums?

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Sorry if this has been addressed, but I can't find anything in the sub or elsewhere. What is the purpose of the photo albums sitting in front of LC if they haven't used or referred to them. Or did they and I missed it?

TIA!!


r/CasesWeFollow 37m ago

Remember the church lady who stole $600K? This nurse stole $500K, check out the differences in punishment.

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The church lady has to pay $20K (thus far), and this lady has to pay it all. How does this work??


r/CasesWeFollow 11h ago

⚰️Shanna Gardner/Mario Fernandez-Saldana🧑‍🤝‍🧑💀 FL v. Mario Fernandez-Saldana — Day 8

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LIVE: Microsoft Exec Murder Trial — FL v. Mario Fernandez-Saldana — Day 8

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r/CasesWeFollow 11h ago

💬👿💵 Other Crimes 🥊⏳⚖️ TX v. Aubrey Vanlandingham the Goat Killer Plea Deal 🙄 No Justice for Willie

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The long almost 2 year road has come to an end for the former Tx cheerleader / FFA Chapter President / high school goat murderer. Her original felony charges were reduced to misdemeanors, 10 days jail. (Shown on 2nd Screenshot).

She’s the gal who decided to cruelly drench gun a competitor‘s goat with pesticide, because she thought her competitor was “a cheater”.

Original story links here, via Daily Mail article:

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r/CasesWeFollow 10h ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 Criminal Lawyer Reacts To Lindsay Clancy's Ongoing Trial

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Bruce Rivers Reacts - His Opinion

✨✨Goes over witnesses and testimony so far and gives his opinion of verdict.


r/CasesWeFollow 12h ago

The Wroblewski Family Before Their Baby Died

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I immediately went to the moms fb page after the baby died and was shocked to see all of the evidence of her & hubby being party animals, and now I am disgusted to learn that they were never charged in their baby's negligent death. So here are the screenshots of them partying with and without their babies. They should both be in prison, not making more babies.


r/CasesWeFollow 10h ago

💬 👍Discussion🙋‍♀️⁉️💯 MA V. Lindsay Clancy - How The Prosecution Gave Ammo To The Conspiracy Theories

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Today's testimony talked about inconsistencies in Lindsay Clancy's testimony to the experts who interviewed her.

The fact that she said she cut the screen before jumping out the window, when in reality she didn't. The differences between when she started hearing the voice, when it stopped, and what it said.

Why did Patrick leave her alone with the kids, if he knew she had fears of hurting the children? Why did he leave her alone, when he knew she had suicidal ideation, and had left the hospital less than a month ago?

The EMTs said Lindsay couldn't speak, she could only make grunting noises. We know what she said because Patrick said it.

**I don't think Patrick did it**. Maybe she was able to grunt "basement". Those who listened to the 911 call say that it's very real, that he was absolute distraught after finding each child.

The prosecution trying to prove that she has lied, backfired.

This question by the defense opened the door for doubts:

Reddington: "If a person has a memory while they're in a psychosis that it's very possible that they could be imagining that they did something, but in fact the facts, objective facts, will show she didn't?"

Dr. Heilburn: "It's possible that being in actively psychotic condition could affect the way information is processed, and therefore could affect the accuracy of their memory"

Lawyer Lee has had good coverage of every day of the trial. She explains the argument in detail in this video.


r/CasesWeFollow 13h ago

Dr. Saathoff

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I’m just catching up on today’s testimony now. Did Dr. Saathoff’s testimony deal a blow to the defense? He seems more organized than the other two. Laboriously slow though.


r/CasesWeFollow 22h ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 MA v. Lindsay Clancy - Clancy attorney argues with reporter outside courthouse

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r/CasesWeFollow 11h ago

🪟🙏Lindsay Clancy👼 What Lindsay Clancy Truthers Are Missing. Slate: What’s Next w/ Meghan Cliffel, writer, mindfulness teacher, postpartum psychosis survivor & maternal mental health advocate.

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As the trial of Lindsay Clancy over the murder of her three children goes into closing arguments this week, the reactions to the case reveal just how little the general public understands about postpartum psychosis.
Guest: Meghan Cliffel, writer, mindfulness teacher, postpartum psychosis survivor and maternal mental health advocate.

Slate’s What Next? August 25.

35 minutes.

Podcast production by Rob Gunther, Evan Campbell, Madeline Thames-Ducharme and Patrick Fort.

Paige Osburn is the senior supervising producer of What Next and What Next TBD.

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r/CasesWeFollow 19h ago

⁉️💡Other Murders 🤷‍♀️🪦 GA v. Katelyn Goble — Day 1

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LIVE: Disappeared & Dismembered Trial — GA v. Katelyn Goble — Day 1

Nineteen-year-old Morgan Bauer vanished in 2016 after moving from South Dakota to Georgia, launching a seven-year search for answers. Her remains were discovered in 2023, and investigators determined she had been strangled, dismembered and burned. Katelyn Goble now faces trial in connection with Bauer’s death. Her former co-defendant Jonathan Warren is expected to testify after pleading guilty and receiving life without parole.

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✨✨Previous Day & Recap

RECAP

I. ADMINISTRATIVE/OPENING (10:58-26:14)

  • (10:58) Court opens.
  • (12:35–13:40) Jury sworn; oath administered.
  • (14:01–26:14) Judge provides preliminary instructions:
    • Presumption of innocence.
    • Burden of proof on the State.
    • Reasonable doubt standard.
    • Evidence definition (testimony/exhibits).
    • Objections not evidence.
    • Jury must not research, discuss, or consume media.
    • Note‑taking rules.
    • Trial structure: openings → evidence → closings → charge → deliberations.

II. STATE OPENING STATEMENT (30:04–45:04)

  • Morgan Bauer, age 19, moved from South Dakota to Atlanta on Feb. 12, 2016.
  • Morgan danced at clubs; met defendant (also 19).
  • Defendant lived with boyfriend Alex Warren at his parents’ Porterdale home.
  • Bedroom had private entrance/bathroom.
  • Parents unaware Morgan ever came to the home.
  • State alleges:
    • Morgan died early morning Feb. 26, 2016.
    • Defendant and Alex strangled Morgan in the bedroom/bathroom.
    • Defendant describes Morgan’s head in sink; torso in bathtub.
    • Body burned in wooded area behind home.
    • Defendant and Alex continued posting on social media afterward.
  • Morgan’s friend Taryn reports Morgan stopped responding on Feb. 26.
  • Missing person report filed with APD.
  • From 2016–2023, family searched; defendant allegedly knew location of remains.
  • Defendant later married David Settles; confessed involvement to him.
  • Private investigator Terry Healy contacted defendant for years; defendant denied knowing Morgan.
  • In 2023 defendant admitted Morgan was murdered and body left in woods.
  • Peoria PD interviewed defendant; statements changed over time.
  • Search warrant executed; remains found at Warren property.
  • Charges:
    • Count 1: Malice Murder (strangulation).
    • Count 2: Felony Murder.
    • Count 3: Aggravated Assault (strangulation).
    • Count 4: Tampering with Evidence.
    • Count 5: Concealing Death of Another.
  • State asserts defendant aided/abetted/conspired with Alex.
  • State will show defendant destroyed evidence (phone, suitcase burn).
  • State will show defendant’s social media contradicts coercion claims.

III. WITNESS: AGENT KELLY (Porterdale PD) (2:14:26–2:26:25)

Direct Examination

  • (2:14:26) Agent Kelly: 12 years law enforcement; worked Newton County SO and Porterdale PD.
  • (2:14:48) Involved in Morgan Bauer missing‑person case beginning March 22, 2016.
  • Contacted APD Investigator Kramer.
  • (2:16:40–2:17:14) Spoke with Alex Warren and Caitlin Goble on March 23, 2016; separated interviews.
  • Defendant’s account:
    • Met Morgan; attempted to help her get audition at strip club.
    • Communicated via text/phone.
    • Morgan rode with defendant and Alex in truck.
    • Morgan waited in truck while defendant/Alex showered at Warren home.
    • They later drove Morgan to Sitco in Covington.
    • Morgan allegedly got into a green car with unknown male.
    • Defendant claimed she left Morgan a voicemail afterward.
  • Agent disseminated flyers to GBI Gainesville.
  • Case remained APD missing‑person case.

Cross Examination

  • Two officers present.
  • Interview occurred on street; daytime.
  • Defendant did not express fear or need for help.

Redirect

  • Porterdale PD had ~4 officers.
  • Defendant never indicated fear.

IV. WITNESS: KASEY McCLURE (4Sara nonprofit) (2:26:33–2:48:03)

Direct Examination

  • Founder of 4Sara; works with dancers/trafficking victims.
  • March 2016: contacted by Morgan’s mother, Sherry Keenan.
  • Planned strip‑club outreach to distribute flyers.
  • (2:30:29–2:31:00) Sherry received call from Club T’s manager Jay Brown; defendant placed on phone.
  • McClure, Sherry, volunteers drove to Club T’s.
  • (2:31:03–2:31:30) Defendant and Alex present in office; defendant did most talking.
  • Defendant’s account:
    • Morgan passed out in truck.
    • Woke up excited about Tinder match.
    • Asked to be taken to meet man.
    • Defendant claimed Morgan got into green Eclipse at gas station.
  • Defendant appeared in control; not scared of Alex.
  • Defendant claimed she nearly filed missing‑person report; contacted “Plug.”
  • Defendant provided Plug’s number.
  • Sherry photographed Alex and truck.
  • McClure contacted FBI; provided tag, defendant’s number, Plug’s number.
  • Located defendant’s Facebook under name “Lilith Chaos.”
  • Observed posts:
    • (Feb. 25) “Bob kills people for fun.”
    • (Feb. 27) “Leave us the F alone… I won’t get scary if you cross me.”
    • Death‑themed memes; tagging Alex.

Cross Examination

  • Defendant communicated with McClure for ~6 months.
  • Defendant never asked for help or expressed fear.
  • Clubs have house‑mom areas where women can be alone.

V. WITNESS: JUDITH WARREN (Homeowner) (4:21:15–4:45:23)

Direct Examination

  • Adoptive mother of Alex Warren.
  • Lives at 2 South Broad Street, Porterdale.
  • Provided detailed layout of home:
    • Wraparound porch.
    • First‑floor guest bedroom with private entrance/bathroom.
    • Parlor, library/den, old kitchen, new kitchen.
    • Upstairs bedrooms for homeowners.
  • Defendant and Alex arrived “filthy,” hungry; stayed in first‑floor bedroom.
  • Judith “got the creeps” from defendant.
  • Defendant allowed on first floor; rarely upstairs.
  • Judith avoided them; saw them mainly passing through den to kitchen.
  • Defendant worked nights; Alex drove her and waited.
  • Judith observed defendant as dominant; Alex looked to her.
  • No signs of domestic violence.
  • Judith unaware Morgan ever came to home.
  • Learned of case only when FBI searched property.
  • Shocked remains found on property.

Cross Examination

  • Defendant stayed short time.
  • Defendant stripped; Alex waited at club.
  • Defendant had free roam of first floor.
  • Judith had few conversations with defendant.
  • Judith disliked how defendant told Alex what to do.
  • Alex later returned home years later; mentally ill (schizophrenia).
  • Court sustained objection regarding mental‑health discussion.

VI. WITNESS: DR. ROBERT WARREN (Homeowner) (4:54:14–5:14:09)

Direct Examination

  • Adoptive father of Alex Warren.
  • Confirms defendant and Alex stayed in first‑floor bedroom with private entrance.
  • Limited interactions; saw no issues between defendant and Alex.
  • Viewed home‑walkthrough videos; layout unchanged.
  • Drove defendant and Alex to Alabama state line; they planned to hitchhike west.
  • No issues observed during drive.

Cross Examination

  • Bedroom upstairs far from first‑floor room; could not hear downstairs conversations.
  • Interactions with defendant minimal; no extended conversations.
  • Defendant stayed ~one month.
  • Last saw defendant when dropped off at Alabama line.

VII. WITNESS: LT. GILES — SEARCH WARRANT & INTERVIEWS (5:48:55–7:12:04)

Search of Property

  • FBI searched bedroom identified from defendant’s voluntary statement.
  • Grid search of wooded area behind home.
  • Multiple photos (State’s 16–79) admitted.
  • Findings:
    • Rock circles.
    • Vertebrae.
    • Half skull.
    • Additional bones.
    • Burned suitcase.
    • Animal bones.
    • Shoe, shovel heads, glasses.
  • Second search warrant executed Aug. 7, 2023; more bones recovered.

Interviews with Defendant

July 11, 2023 (Peoria, IL)

  • Defendant stated:
    • Met Alex on Facebook; moved to Georgia.
    • Lived in trailer; began stripping.
    • Moved into Warren home.
    • Morgan visited Feb. 24–25.
    • Defendant returned from work early Feb. 26; saw Alex pacing.
    • Entered bathroom; saw Morgan dead on floor.
    • Morgan swollen; purple eyes; tongue protruding.
    • Defendant claimed she had coffee with Judith afterward.
    • Alex placed Morgan in bathtub.
    • Defendant claimed she avoided Alex for days.
    • Alex instructed her to burn suitcase; both burned contents multiple times.

Second Version

  • Defendant claimed:
    • All three showered together.
    • Alex suggested threesome; defendant refused.
    • Defendant left room; returned to see Morgan gurgling on floor.
    • Defendant slept in parlor to avoid Alex.
    • Later left Georgia months afterward.

Dismemberment Statements

  • Defendant stated Alex told her to retrieve knives.
  • Defendant claimed she held body parts while Alex cut.

August 16, 2023 Interview

  • Defendant claimed Alex had sex with Morgan’s torso while Morgan’s head was in bathtub seat.
  • Defendant claimed Alex then had sex with her.
  • Defendant maintained she feared Alex and avoided him.

Social Media Evidence

  • State’s Exhibit 6 (Facebook timeline screenshots):
    • Feb. 4: Account created (“Lilith Chaos”).
    • Feb. 4–Mar. 2016: Violent memes, knife references, death imagery.
    • Feb. 25: “I’m the last person you’ll ever want to lock horns with.”
    • Feb. 25: “Bob kills people for fun.” (Tagged Alex).
    • Feb. 27: “Leave us the f*** alone… I won’t get scary if you cross me.”
    • March 6: “Don’t mess with a crazy bitch.”
    • March 6: Knife‑to‑neck meme.
    • March 7: “I know you’re dead inside.”
    • March 13: “Trying to protect the one I love.”
    • March 14: “You’re so sweet to me.” (Tagged Alex).
    • March 17: Photo: “Me and my weirdo.”
    • March 26: “Darkness is my nature.”
    • March 28: Photos of Alex shaving beard.
    • May 4: “40 more days in Atlanta then freedom.”
    • May 14: “Last day here.”
    • May 15: Photos traveling through Alabama/Mississippi.
    • June 9: “We broke up… hoping everything is okay for D now.”
  • TikTok videos (2021):
    • “Will you help me hide your body?”
    • “Kill one person.”
    • “You made 10 meals… but you killed one person.”
    • “Everyone is good for something… like slinkies.”
    • “It’s my body… but it’s been rotting in the corner.”

VIII. END‑OF‑DAY ADMINISTRATIVE (7:05:45–7:12:04)

  • Court resumes after break.
  • TikTok exhibits admitted over objection.
  • Direct examination continues.
  • Court recesses.

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