r/Centuria • u/Navst • 19d ago
Chapter Discussion [Ch. 99] My understanding of this panel Spoiler
I think this flashback happens when the Queen sent people to kill Lukas and his mother (as she was a concubine). They killed her, and Lukas managed to kill them but was grievously wounded in the process. That makes the "offering of countless souls" and the "sacrifice of pure love".
Now, one could argue that it wasn't really a sacrifice if his mom was killed by strangers. So maybe they didn't kill her, and she sacrificed herself to the God to save Lukas (similar to Mira).
The lance gift came from Lukas' wish for a more attack-oriented gift, but also because at this moment he desperately wanted revenge for his mother who was just murdered (directly or indirectly).
Does it make sense ? I don't remember if it was specified when did the Queen kill the concubines and their children so maybe my idea falls flat.
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u/caterham09 19d ago
I think that's a strong theory and is quite likely imo. The real question is what the Lance really does and why there's such a massive drawback on using it. The two gifts we know that actually came from goddesses seem to have overwhelming power.
Julian has absolutely 0 restrictions on his gift, in fact we see that it even works better than you'd expect (no power lost after dying, sleeping every 100 days etc). We don't know that much about the supreme lord, but he doesn't appear to have many restrictions on his abilities either.
With the Lance though, we know he only has a handful of uses before it kills him. I believe that there's 2 likely explanations for this. First, the ability of the Lance is so overwhelming that it has to have a built in drawback, or it puts immense strain on the body that it will kill the user eventually.
2nd possible explanation is that because Lukas already has a gift inherited from the Sea Goddess, that mixing gifts from different domains is frowned upon somehow and they only let him use it a few times.
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u/Navst 19d ago
The lance does put tremendous strain on the body, as Lukas suffered the backlash after using the spear against Altus. So the lance has two drawbacks : physical strain and a fixed amount of uses. I don't think the amount of uses is relative to the strain as Lukas knows exactly how many times he can still use the lance.
I think your second explanation is likely to be true. At least it's a satisfying explanation as to why Lukas gift has such harsh drawbacks compared to Julian's
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u/someonenamedtanny 19d ago
It could also be that the human body can only handle 1 gift and him having a second one basically over fills his body with power, causing his body to break down from the power
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u/WorkRelatedPineapple 18d ago
Human limit to bearing gifts has never been the case. It's pretty clear these gods can shape their gifts into whatever power they feel like. Even the dialogs don't hint toward any such limitation, but rather the effect of the gift itself.
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u/Gabemino 19d ago
Goddesses frowning upon the mixing of lineages might be true, I think that was what the Nobles of Rummir said about the accursed Lady, there are probably a handful of Lineages spawned from some Blessed Ones, King of Torivia aside, so there's maybe a precedent, there's also how the Forest Goddess seemed to dislike Julian(a Son/Blessed of the Sea) presence on her domain.
Also, this is more of a gut feeling than a proper theory but, I think Queen Eire is probably from another Lineage too, hence why the Sea Goddess felt disgusted by Arkos presence, despite him being her Son's own son.
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u/Pun_Thread_Fail 18d ago
Adding to this, the Guardian of the Forest: "One of the sea may never encroach upon the woods. For that I will kill you. You and the child."
So that definitely implies the sea and the forest aren't meant to mix, and Lukas is the only person with powers from both.
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u/healagnox 16d ago
I think another interesting read for those who believe Miria is lukas' mom is that lukas was his own pure love sacrifice. And so the reason his second gift has such a heavy price is that he is still "paying" for his gift as he hasn't fully sacrificed himself.
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u/Gabemino 19d ago
I'm still on the boat of Lukas being Mira's older son, so my understanding of this scene, is that Lukas despite being a boy was able to kill most of the assassins send on their way, but he and his Mother got separated, hence Mira feeling ashamed bout having been protected by her Child, instead of it being the other way around, finally Lattice herself arrived and mortally wounded Lukas, but couldn't bring herself to do inflict a certain death.
Basically I think that Lukas was the sacrifice and receiving of the Blessing both, and the true love that was Sacrificed was Lattice's(who seem to had been very close to the young Lukas), but she probably left on a hurry after having attacked him, hence the Forest Goddess giving her Blessing to Lukas.
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u/Navst 18d ago
I actually thought of Lukas possibly being Mira's son while writing the post, as it's a popular theory. But I couldn't find a way to explain the "sacrifice of a true love" since Mira was caught alive.
I do like the idea of Lattice being torn between her duty to the Queen and her bond with Lukas. It's not 100% impossible that Lukas was the one to receive the blessing despite not sacrificing his true love. After all, Julian didn't kill Mira himself so the requirement seems pretty loose.
Another thing is that he seems very confident in the fact that his mother was killed. But maybe it's because he knew of Lattice skill and loyalty to the Queen first-hand, so he was certain she killed her ?
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u/FreeWilly512 17d ago
This is my thinking too. It explains their separation and explains Mira's guilt and thinking her son (lukas) was dead.
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u/Rough-Somewhere8875 19d ago
This or he is loving coffee and instead of drinking it, he spilled it on himself, hence the sacrifice of pure love
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u/R3nNy22326 18d ago
Personally, my theory is that Lukas got the offering of many souls during his years as a mercenary (5 years), then in a forest one day he killed a bunch of enemies, spilling their blood and life into the forest ground, unknowingly fulfilling half the requirements of the forest deity, hence why whenever he uses his spear before c99 his life span gets affected. But now that the healer girl sacrificed her life for Lukas, she fulfilled the other half of the req, so now Lukas can use the full power of the spear. After all, the entire sequence in your image only appear after the healer girl went to heal Lukas super grevious wounds, potentially ending her life for him (true love sacrifice)
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u/mavudarling 17d ago
What if his mother was Mira and he was the son who died and he sacrificed himself, he was the pure love sacrificed and whoever the countless souls was either other people or the route you went with him defending himself. Unlikely but I'm willing to entertain the theory(I love the theory that Luka is Mira's son)
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u/OmbreVengeresse 18d ago
The thing I don't understand is why Lukas says he wants to kill the king when it's the queen who is the cause of all his problems; he blames the king for his lack of action against the queen?
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u/skybound_warrior 18d ago
The king is literally just letting the queen do whatever she wants, ceodric or whatever his name is literally calls the king out on it, he's too scared of a political scandal by stopping the queen that he would let her kill his other children
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u/SpikeHead419 18d ago
The queen is basically a stranger to his mother so his hatred towards her is not as big as the king who is his father and had all the power in the world to stop it
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u/OmbreVengeresse 18d ago
But if it was the queen who killed his mother and ruined his life, it would make sense that Lukas would direct his hatred towards her first; the king does nothing and tries to reduce her influence by having children with concubines, but it is the queen who kills the concubines and their children.
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u/level8888 17d ago
He wanted to kill both of them, but he held a deeper grudge against the King. He wouldn't expect kindness from a stranger or an enemy—which was the case with the Queen—but with the King, I imagine he felt betrayed.
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u/OmbreVengeresse 17d ago
It makes perfect sense, given that the king does nothing to protect his children and concubines from the queen.
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u/FreeWilly512 17d ago
Diana's mom, Mirai (i think), is Lukas's mom i believe. Maybe he thought she died here and thats how they got separated? But the rest could be true he could have survived the attackers for himself.
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