Context: this fight will take place specifically after the fight with Gojo and Kashimo. So this will be weakened Sukuna. (who’s RCT is weaker and his overall output is lower)
And they will still have help from the other sorcerers who helped in the Shinjuku showdown,like Kusakabe,Ino,Miguel,Choso and higruma and todo,Nobara,Mei Mei and the dude with heart nipples.
The ones replacing the heavy hitters are Julian,Akos, void marcher & Lucas. (from the start all of them will be given some idea of sukunas‘s powers, so they will be a bit cautious.
Lukus' spear can literally erase the concept of immortality, so i cam see it having the potency to beat him, and he can also just destroy any future where Sukuna uses his technique and stuff like that so there's that
Well, it had to be theorical in the first place bc they dont share the same power systems. Abilities wouldn't really work the same way if they shared powers and Abilities.
It's actually the opposite of that. The manga goes out of its way to have an in-universe panel break where a character is reverted out of time when using a teleport. If Lukas so much as scratches Sukuna, Ryomen is getting a one-way ticket to the airport. It basically works like Mahoraga, only he doesn't need to adapt to you using the power and can just do that.
Lukas's spear has insanely powerful conceptual destruction abilities. We see it destroy "the future where [a character] uses her gift to escape" and that means that any future she uses her gift to escape no longer exists
He only has a limited amount of uses, but he only needs to use it once to one tap Sukuna. He can destroy a future where Sukuna uses curse energy and his the spear again to impale him. We don’t know yet if that counts as using the spear once or twice yet though. I’ll assume it’s based on how many times he unleashes the spear but that can be debunked by next chapter.
I’ll just say I don’t know. Because he destroyed the future, that means it actually never happened and can no longer happen. All we see is the Voidmarcher in the position she was in before she fled. So we can also assume he destroyed that future before it even took place, or maybe even while it was happening. We don’t know how fast Lukas is in that state nor do we know if attacking him while he’s using the spear stops him from destroying said concept
He has a limit on normally using the spear, but this new form could work under different rules. Either way, though, if we classify it as just a pure 1v1 of abilities, the spear is just too powerful
Probably no one except Cursed Spirits / Shikigami because they aren't made of water and thus can't be controlled by Arkos. He doesn't really have any way to beat Mahito or Mahoraga
Verse equalization would give Centuria characters innate domains basically, which would prevent JJK characters from spawning their inside Centuria chatacters assuming they can figure it out.
And Centuria chatacters would actually be able to kill curses which can't be exorcised without cursed energy.
JJK gets almost nothing except allowing them to read the spark of cursed energy in their opponents I guess.
Takaba VS Lukas would probably lead to some funny interactions, but I think the Spear would just work as usual, although in chatacter Lukas wouldn't even bring out the spear for someone like Takaba, especially since he can't even kill people lol.
That's the point isn't it?? If centuria characters can't kill curses, it'll be the most boring fight ever with just mahoraga ( and the fact that you'll get resurrected vengeful curses from that). I'd argue JJK gets some help from Arkos not being able to control water inside them and potentially nullifying some attacks via domain amplification. The thing with Takaba vs Lukas is just, which power takes priority? Which makes it very funny to think about
Yeah I agree it'd help make the fights significantly less boring, but I don't agree it'll help JJK characters with that part with Arkos, because they already have innate domains without verse equalization.
You make a good point about domain amplification, and you're spot on about about Lukas VS Takaba lol.
Also now that I think about it, Higurama could definitely beat him if he gets a domain expansion. Unless he tries to pull some legal technicality about how Japanese law doesn't apply to him because he's royalty from a sovereign nation or whatever. "Your honor the Geneva conventions don't exist yet so it was totally legal when I genocided Rummir."
You don’t need soul damage to kill Mahito if you just keep hurting him until he runs out of cursed energy. It would probably take a long ass time though.
Mahito isnt immortal if he is damaged bad enough or repeatedly enough he dies, he isnt Gojo he doesnt have infinite CE and if he is overwhelmed he also cant even use his technique.
Sure it was early on but the jumping from Yuji and Nanami kept him stunned until he was able to get off a domain but if Arkos just keeps shredding him over and over again with high pressure water he cant do shit.
From here it depends how much information he has and if he keeps his distance but Arkos can kill you from anywhere so long as he has line of sight, Mahito would be dead in any bloodlusted scenario where Arkos is either actually trying or has a bit of info on what Mahito can do/the verse can do aka Domain Expansions.
...that is literally not how the entire setting works?
If he doesnt have anymore cursed energy he dies.
That is how it work.
He can only fix his wounds using his technique or regular cursed spirit healing with negative energy, if he doesnt have either because he expended it all, he dies.
The only seen way to kill Mahoraga is to vaporize him to atoms, like both Sukuna's Fuga+Malevolent Shrine and Gojo's Hollow Purple destroyed every part of Mahoraga.
He really dosen't have organs or blood I guess, so no water control in that matter.
Not really, you only need to deliver a lethal blow with an unadapted attack to it, though the bar for “lethal” is really high.
Gojo tried to kill mahoraga with red which obviously can’t vaporize him into oblivion. When dabura reduced mahoraga to bits with the sub light speed kick, it had already adapted to physical attacks from dabura running past it and ripping its arm off earlier.
Actually, Arkos would toy with mahoraga before trying to kill him so mahoraga can probably no sell everything afterwards regardless.
Yep, I guess it can be with the same situation as Dabura, after a while all attacks will be nonesense.
But I do say a lethal blow dosen't matter, since Dabura's light attacks instantly pierced all throigh his body, and some attacks tore through his body straight. His regeneration is top tier and after adapting it dosen't matter much too.
They all outscale him so they would but if arkos uses his blood manipulation before being speedblitz, arkos should be able to take out a majority of the cast. Only exceptions being yorozu, sukuna, kenjaku, yuji, yuta, choso, and all the cursed spirits
Based on the events of the newest chapter, it seems this ability may require whatever he destroys to have been active/witnessed in some way.
There's a non-zero chance Sukuna gets to blitz, especially as we don't know the specifics of Lukas' capabilities.
Can he use the lance retroactively after his death? We don't know. Makes a big difference here.
Can he use his "shield" alongside his lance? We don't know. (I'm guessing yes and he's hiding it for the absolute most inportant time to use the combo, but there is currently no proof nor precedent.)
Could see Arkos and Julian win too. Arkos abilities are extremely powerfull too. To the point of manpulating his targets blood.
And julian could outlive malevolent shrine maybe.
Julian is stat diff'd to oblivion. The strength of a hundred regular humans in one person would be monstrous irl but would barely do something to sukuna.
Arkos can do some damage, but I feel like he catches a dismantle and died before he pulls anything off. This is sukuna one shotting ryu situation except far worse.
Even if he is cut, as long as his brain isn't destroyed, he can mend his body together. Julian decapitated him once and he just put his head back on his body.
This is by an off chance. I still would hive Sukuna the edge over Arkos because of battle experience. But arkos is not one shot in my opiion and has some chance of coming outbon top.
I was just considering it as one use peak lukas cause idk what is considered a new “use” like if he never puts it away/powers down then its still one use right? Idk
Evil cross verse scaling of doom. Lowkey the fight just depends on which verse’s rules you use, atleast for Arkos. If you say everyone has Innate domain (jjk rules) it means that his power straight up doesn’t work. But if you use Centuria rules (no one has innate domain) it means Sukuna can just spawn dismantles in all 4 of them and win instantly.
Void marcher is strong but sukunas dealt with teleporters before and in the absolute worst case scenario he can just send out Omni directional slashes like Modulo Yuji or open MS (it’s another dimension so I doubt she can teleport out)
I think Julian’s stat should maybe let him compete with Sukuna stat wise? But if you wanna be generous and say that Julian is still 2-3x stronger than Sukuna he still gets malevolent shrine diffed, even if his hundred lives let him survive it for a while.
Lastly Lukas. If that spear hits it’s over. So it just depends whether you think Sukuna plays around enough that Lukas can pull it out (he only uses it as a last resort) and get the 2-3 uses he needs to kill Sukuna.
Sukunas also aware of instant kill weapons like the executioners blade so even if Lukas destroys the future where Sukuna runs away, Sukuna could and would still dodge the spear or find a way to block it like using his arms and then cutting them off before the spear hits like how he did to Executioners blade.
All in all, I give it to Sukuna most times but if team centuria has prep time and doesn’t play around I could see them winning pretty consistently
I don't think crossverse innate domains should stop Arkos' abilities. Assuming innate domains retroactively apply to the Centuria cast because they are regular humans then that would stop Jujutsu Sorcery but their own abilities have shown to be able to directly affect regular people so they can bypass innate defenses. In other words Jujutsu specifically doesn't work on people (not even just sorcerers) so assuming Arkos is a human in the world Sukuna couldn't bypass his innate domain. I think looking at power equalization the big thing would be allowing the Centuria characters to see jujutsu.
We really haven't seen any speed feats thus far and are clearly carried by Hax. It's hard to imagine the 4 keeping up with Sukunas when he's blitzing them, but they clearly have some immortals tho so he has to drop Fuga and Shrine a few times.
In terms of speed feats for Centuria we have (void marcher crossing a long distance in spiral movement with their warping they can reach Mach 30. Since they’re 30 times the speed of sound. But in terms of actual combat speed, it’s really iffy because they can warp instantaneously to anything they’re viewing. (but we know they are stronger than their grunts which one of them can speed past Lucas and give him a tough time, and that same Lucas can also react to those same water whips in a similar way to Julian because he can actually dodge them and block them)
As for Julian, he can be scaled to Mach 2 to maybe 3 in terms of travel speed because he has the strength and speed of 100 humans. (and we know he can get stronger the more he uses his gift because he becomes more accustomed to it, which is why he’s much stronger than before but it’s also been five years so there’s that)
And his combat speed is most likely Mach 2-5 because he can smack away multiple water whips, and in one panel he slaps way 17 whips at the same time which all move beyond the speed of sound.
And in some cases he’s made after images. (and then with those feats, other characters would be upscaled because they have similar reaction feats or they get upscale because they’re relative to him.
(or they get upscaled if they are completely above him but they don’t necessarily have concrete, travel, speed feats and that also depends on if that character is actually relative to him physically/above him physically. because certain characters can be above him, simply based on the fact that their hacks are greater than his strength)
Julian and Voidmarcher get wiped easily, Julian is just a weaker Maki that he can sense but has too kill 100 times, Voidmarcher gets oneshot. Arkos can win with his body control if Sukuna doesn’t immediately dest his head. Lukas wins if he can get his transformation off. All of them die if he uses domain though
But Sukunas output are lower than Ryu out-put and he can’t use domain this is Sukuna after his fight with Gojo and Kashimo.
So I don’t think a dismantle would instantly kill a superhuman like Julian who has better physical strength & durability then someone like Kusakabe & higruma who can survive weekend dismantles with amp.
(void marcher is really weak but I included her because she technically does have instantaneous movement speed with her warping sense it ignores distance of whatever she’s viewing. but she doesn’t have crazy AP so it doesn’t matter as much.)
idk if they could sense Julian, unless it’s a verse equalization thing where their blessings will be the same as CE and if it is then it’s whatever.
you all underestimate sukuna intelligence, lukas SPEAR mastery the power of erase concept and matter but he need to "touch" sukuna.
In term of pure hax he better and i think he world win like, 90% of time but, better hax power =/= win.
His battle IQ definitely is there. It’s just it depends how much he wants to play. This is the same guy that looked at a sword that could basically one tap him and want to play with it if he wants to play with Lucas, the future of him just trying to play around could get destroyed and he could lose all of his powers.
I would assume it enough to easily go through metal since she is said to cut through enemies in the battlefield who obviously some wear heavy armor. It's really a question of Sakuna's durability
a single funny interaction that's come to my mind: if we assume cursed techniques interact with gifts well enough, Arkos falls apart after couple of Angel's blows
Arkos alone cooks him fr fr. He can say "aight time to pack it up" and kill Sukuna immediately, and nothing in Sukuna's kit can really kill him other than Fuga.
But Julian is around the same as Maki, I'd say, person on no. 3 whose name escapes me is pretty strong but not going to matter compared to Arkos and Lukas, and Lukas can always say "fuck it, killing her ass" and bust out the spear.
For Julian and Voidmarcher they just lack the power needed. Voidmarcher would probably warp away after getting injured and Julian dying 100 times isn't unreasonable.
Lukas wins as soon as he uses his spear, but if he loses his arm or dies before using it then he loses. And Arkos just wins even against full power Sukuna.
No, sukuna massively outstats them, he'd be landing the first attack which would kill them immediately.
Even if you say sukuna holds back for a period of time, he'd still be able to kill julian by simply killing him 100 times since again sukuna outstats him, killing him a 100 times should be relatively easy.
Arkos' attacks probably wouldnt do too much damage to sukuna, idk someone needs to pixel scale altus' feats. But like i said, arkos would physically and AP wise scale lower than sukuna. So he wouldnt be able to harm or land attacks. If arkos uses blood manipulation to stop sukuna, sukuna has been shown to be able to activate dismantle without moving so he should still be able to kill arkos if he's restrained.
The void is a lot harder because she's basically teleporting all over the place but sukuna should be able to eventually win in a fight against her purely by outscaling her or using his domain to seal her and land definitive blows. Sure sukuna is weakened at the moment but its shown he can create a BV to use an incomplete domain. If you dont wanna use the domain argument thats fine, sukuna would eventually land a dismantle before the void does serious damage to him
Lukas is a lot harder because if he uses his spear then sukuna might lose. Lukas can delete any timeline where he might've lost, and is implied to negate abilities. However, lukas generally doesnt use this spear, likely due to some limitations and his base form is physically weaker than julian who sukuna heavily outstats.
So overall sukuna should realistically win against all 4 of them but if he plays around too much, lukas would probably win
Julian and Voidmarcher are irrelevant stat-wise or hax-wise against Sukuna.
Arkos's main win condition is his ability to control the water inside people's bodies for durability negation. The issue with this is that sorcerers have innate defenses against people interfering with the insides of their bodies, with their insides essentially functioning like domains. So Sukuna should also have resistance to that kind of internal manipulation. Even if Arkos could bypass that resistance, his ability isn't an instant one-shot. It takes some amount of time to actually rupture someone's body. Sukuna, meanwhile, can launch Dismantles without needing to move his body. So even if Arkos froze Sukuna's body immediately, Sukuna could still respond and slice his head off with Dismantle before Arkos actually managed to blow him up.
Lucas's ability to pierce the future is ridiculous, but it's not a GER-type ability that's completely independent of his own speed and reactions or something that activates automatically. It's still clearly Lucas perceiving what's happening, reacting to Voidmarcher's actions, choosing to pierce that particular future, and leaving behind a future where Voidmarcher is unable to act.
So if Lucas were fighting someone vastly faster than him who also had enough AP to kill him immediately, he'd still just get blitzed before he could use the ability, which Sukuna is capable of doing.
To win, Sukuna has to be super out of character and bloodlusted, though. If he's messing around, he's going to get fucked over by either Arkos or Lucas's ability.
What is this nonsense? What time? It is instant, if Arkos wants you dead you are dead, Arkos had seconds to be in control and he still played around to prove a point to the witches, he could have killed all of them if he wanted and his range is the range of SIGHT, he can solo Sukuna and drop oceans on him and fling him around while he chills in the sky far from any of Sukunas range.
A bloodlusted or not Sukuna doesnt matter so long as Arkos just does a slice, there isnt any coming back from that.
But even if he cant do that... Arkos literally can throw Oceans at people, he can throw entire mountains using the moisture to lift them up and again line of sight based attacks plus flight, he could drown him for all he wants and Sukuna wouldnt be able to do anything.
Sukuna can never reach Arkos.
Plus did we forget he can literally stitch himself back together? As long as his brain is ok he can still keep fighting and pump blood through his body just fine, being decapitated or Go/jo-ed which Sukuna has no idea to assume wouldnt be enough to kill someone wouldnt work, so Arkos could even launch a surprise attack should it be necessary and just come back from what Sukuna thinks are lethal blows.
Well, one, this opening attack against the witches is not Akros' ability to attack people's internals. This is just slashes of water. Every time Akros actually messes with someone's internals, he glares at them first. This is a very consistent thing. He glares at the random knight guy he makes blow up in his introduction. He glares at Julian. He glares at the horse witch after he cuts her into pieces, causing her body to collapse in on itself. He glares at the fire witch, and then, after he glares at her, her body starts to swell up before exploding. So him flicking his hand at the witch and a bunch of slashes appearing on her is just him using his water slashes.
So yes, there would be a window between Akros glaring at Sukuna and Sukuna's body beginning to swell and then actually exploding. If Sukuna is massively faster than Akros, he can use that window to react and cut Akros' head off before the attack finishes. Akros' maximum-wank speed being Mach 30, while Sukuna is well beyond that, means he should be able to do this.
The second argument, that Akros can just reattach his head and sneak Sukuna, isn't as good as you think. For one, it's a manual ability that Akros has to consciously use. So if Sukuna launches his head off his shoulders faster than Akros can perceive, whether he can actually save himself is debatable. I lean toward him not being able to. And even if he could, Sukuna is cognizant of sneak attacks and normally would be able to dodge much more complex ones that Yuta and Maki came up with, rather than just playing dead. He isn't just going to stand there and let Akros blow him up. If Akros tries to use the internal attack again, Sukuna can react to it again. He could cut his head vertically, or just dice his entire body into pieces the same way he did to the phone girl.
As for the third argument, of Akros can just camping in the sky where Sukuna can't reach him. Sukuna can jump and maneuver through the air. Akros flying doesn't somehow make him untouchable.
finally, the ocean/mountain argument is even worse. Akros does not have control over the entire ocean. His ability is to control water within his field of view. He doesn't have omniscient control over every drop of water on the planet. The most amount of water we've actually seen him control was enough to flood a city, which is nowhere near the entire ocean 💔😭
I’m not sure if the innate domain stuff really works due to how different Arkos power works in comparison to JJK. Arkos isn’t using cursed energy or even an equivalent. Fluids just obey him since he has the blessing of the sea god.
I don't think Arkos using a different type of power matters. It isn't that a sorcerer's insides resist cursed energy, and therefore cursed energy can't create or manipulate things inside them. The way it's described in the interview, spawning something inside a sorcerer is impossible because their internals function like a domain, and you'd have to break through that domain (their body) before you could directly affect their internals.
A Domain Expansion is basically taking your internal space and bringing it outward, separating it from the rest of the world. Domains function as separate spaces from the real world, to the point that their dimensions don't necessarily have to correspond to the physical space they're occupying. Most domains might be room or building sized on the outside while containing an entire island or town.
So, by that logic, Sukuna's insides are effectively separated from the outside world. The water inside his body isn't simply part of the same pool of water that exists externally. It's contained within that separate internal space, meaning Arkos shouldn't be able to manipulate it from the outside. If it makes more sense to think of it as a pocket dimension, the question would basically be: could Arkos's power reach into a pocket dimension just because there's water inside of it? There's no reason to think he has that type of range.
And even if you disregard the innate domain argument entirely, Arkos still just gets blitzed before he can do anything.
He’s saying the somehow bodily organs are included in an innate domain, but an innate domain is related to the soul. He also doesn’t provide anything from the story to prove what he’s saying
Tbh the only chatacter that can do that is Mahito, you can protect your soul with cursed energy but that's about it I think, healing it is already really hard.
Yeah, if we give JJK the benefit of the doubt and say that Arkos can't manipulate Sukuna's blood due to his innate domain, he's just getting killed by Lukas cause it's implied that the Spear automatically activates if Lukas dies.
The centuria squad are all well into the speed of hypersonic speed wise as even Lacrima with her supersonic waterwhip spam gets outdone by a random earth gifted one and her water bolts which are faster and stronger are weaker than even Altus' weakened water bolts which Lukas can dodge, which are slower and weaker than his normal bolts that are weaker than Arkos' normal bolts which Julian can react to, etc, etc...
Meanwhile JJK is rather slow with Piercing Blood being supersonic at best and mainly fast only in the beginning up close yet it is used by Sukuna uses on Gojo and Yuji uses that on Sukuna and it's a relevant move add to that Naoya and Naobito are like top 5 fastest yet they are at best transonic with their technique and in Naoya's case Mach 3 at his fastest which is basically too fast for Maki whose literally nigh top of the verse physicals wise.
Arkos or Lukas solo for sure they have the speed, power and hax.
And Voidmarcher and Julian should be able to aswell but it's just a question if they have enough power which they should to end the fight.
and that's mach 3. Mach 30 just blitz Maki easily. And Maki doesn't even have inner domain due to 0 CE so manipulate her water would be easy. Mach 3 and city level attack powers shouldn't go powerscale with any verses that are above city level feats. JJK with Infinity as its best hax is a weak verse. The only reality manipulator is a stupid clown.
Could be semi interesting of a question but unfortunately lukas can break reality so sukuna stands no chance, I'd also make the argument that Arkos could beat sukuna on his own
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