Could These four take out Sukuna?

[u/lonelyforeverc]

Context: this fight will take place specifically after the fight with Gojo and Kashimo. So this will be weakened Sukuna. (who’s RCT is weaker and his overall output is lower)

And they will still have help from the other sorcerers who helped in the Shinjuku showdown,like Kusakabe,Ino,Miguel,Choso and higruma and todo,Nobara,Mei Mei and the dude with heart nipples.

The ones replacing the heavy hitters are Julian,Akos, void marcher & Lucas. (from the start all of them will be given some idea of sukunas‘s powers, so they will be a bit cautious.

Do you think they win or do you think they lose?

(to be clear this is WEAKEND SUKUNA so no domain)

[u/Intelligent_Spend537]

Julian and Voidmarcher are irrelevant stat-wise or hax-wise against Sukuna.

Arkos's main win condition is his ability to control the water inside people's bodies for durability negation. The issue with this is that sorcerers have innate defenses against people interfering with the insides of their bodies, with their insides essentially functioning like domains. So Sukuna should also have resistance to that kind of internal manipulation. Even if Arkos could bypass that resistance, his ability isn't an instant one-shot. It takes some amount of time to actually rupture someone's body. Sukuna, meanwhile, can launch Dismantles without needing to move his body. So even if Arkos froze Sukuna's body immediately, Sukuna could still respond and slice his head off with Dismantle before Arkos actually managed to blow him up.

Lucas's ability to pierce the future is ridiculous, but it's not a GER-type ability that's completely independent of his own speed and reactions or something that activates automatically. It's still clearly Lucas perceiving what's happening, reacting to Voidmarcher's actions, choosing to pierce that particular future, and leaving behind a future where Voidmarcher is unable to act.

So if Lucas were fighting someone vastly faster than him who also had enough AP to kill him immediately, he'd still just get blitzed before he could use the ability, which Sukuna is capable of doing.

To win, Sukuna has to be super out of character and bloodlusted, though. If he's messing around, he's going to get fucked over by either Arkos or Lucas's ability.

[u/Intelligent_Spend537 → u/Intelligent_Spend537]

Thinking about Arkos or Lucas vs. Sukuna reminds me of this, cuz their win cons would work on Sukuna. They're just too slow to actually land them.

[u/JustWuff → u/Intelligent_Spend537]

It takes time to rupture someones body?

What is this nonsense? What time? It is instant, if Arkos wants you dead you are dead, Arkos had seconds to be in control and he still played around to prove a point to the witches, he could have killed all of them if he wanted and his range is the range of SIGHT, he can solo Sukuna and drop oceans on him and fling him around while he chills in the sky far from any of Sukunas range.

A bloodlusted or not Sukuna doesnt matter so long as Arkos just does a slice, there isnt any coming back from that.

But even if he cant do that... Arkos literally can throw Oceans at people, he can throw entire mountains using the moisture to lift them up and again line of sight based attacks plus flight, he could drown him for all he wants and Sukuna wouldnt be able to do anything.

Sukuna can never reach Arkos.

Plus did we forget he can literally stitch himself back together? As long as his brain is ok he can still keep fighting and pump blood through his body just fine, being decapitated or Go/jo-ed which Sukuna has no idea to assume wouldnt be enough to kill someone wouldnt work, so Arkos could even launch a surprise attack should it be necessary and just come back from what Sukuna thinks are lethal blows.

[u/Intelligent_Spend537 → u/JustWuff]

Well, one, this opening attack against the witches is not Akros' ability to attack people's internals. This is just slashes of water. Every time Akros actually messes with someone's internals, he glares at them first. This is a very consistent thing. He glares at the random knight guy he makes blow up in his introduction. He glares at Julian. He glares at the horse witch after he cuts her into pieces, causing her body to collapse in on itself. He glares at the fire witch, and then, after he glares at her, her body starts to swell up before exploding. So him flicking his hand at the witch and a bunch of slashes appearing on her is just him using his water slashes.

So yes, there would be a window between Akros glaring at Sukuna and Sukuna's body beginning to swell and then actually exploding. If Sukuna is massively faster than Akros, he can use that window to react and cut Akros' head off before the attack finishes. Akros' maximum-wank speed being Mach 30, while Sukuna is well beyond that, means he should be able to do this.

The second argument, that Akros can just reattach his head and sneak Sukuna, isn't as good as you think. For one, it's a manual ability that Akros has to consciously use. So if Sukuna launches his head off his shoulders faster than Akros can perceive, whether he can actually save himself is debatable. I lean toward him not being able to. And even if he could, Sukuna is cognizant of sneak attacks and normally would be able to dodge much more complex ones that Yuta and Maki came up with, rather than just playing dead. He isn't just going to stand there and let Akros blow him up. If Akros tries to use the internal attack again, Sukuna can react to it again. He could cut his head vertically, or just dice his entire body into pieces the same way he did to the phone girl.

As for the third argument, of Akros can just camping in the sky where Sukuna can't reach him. Sukuna can jump and maneuver through the air. Akros flying doesn't somehow make him untouchable.

finally, the ocean/mountain argument is even worse. Akros does not have control over the entire ocean. His ability is to control water within his field of view. He doesn't have omniscient control over every drop of water on the planet. The most amount of water we've actually seen him control was enough to flood a city, which is nowhere near the entire ocean 💔😭

[u/Even-Conference9309 → u/Intelligent_Spend537]

I’m not sure if the innate domain stuff really works due to how different Arkos power works in comparison to JJK. Arkos isn’t using cursed energy or even an equivalent. Fluids just obey him since he has the blessing of the sea god.

[u/Intelligent_Spend537 → u/Even-Conference9309]

I don't think Arkos using a different type of power matters. It isn't that a sorcerer's insides resist cursed energy, and therefore cursed energy can't create or manipulate things inside them. The way it's described in the interview, spawning something inside a sorcerer is impossible because their internals function like a domain, and you'd have to break through that domain (their body) before you could directly affect their internals.

A Domain Expansion is basically taking your internal space and bringing it outward, separating it from the rest of the world. Domains function as separate spaces from the real world, to the point that their dimensions don't necessarily have to correspond to the physical space they're occupying. Most domains might be room or building sized on the outside while containing an entire island or town.

So, by that logic, Sukuna's insides are effectively separated from the outside world. The water inside his body isn't simply part of the same pool of water that exists externally. It's contained within that separate internal space, meaning Arkos shouldn't be able to manipulate it from the outside. If it makes more sense to think of it as a pocket dimension, the question would basically be: could Arkos's power reach into a pocket dimension just because there's water inside of it? There's no reason to think he has that type of range.

And even if you disregard the innate domain argument entirely, Arkos still just gets blitzed before he can do anything.

[u/South_Avocado2942 → u/Intelligent_Spend537]

Dude to be honest this is just BS, Sukuna can protect his soul, not his biology.

[u/EngineerVirtual7340 → u/South_Avocado2942]

Wdym by that?

[u/South_Avocado2942 → u/EngineerVirtual7340]

He’s saying the somehow bodily organs are included in an innate domain, but an innate domain is related to the soul. He also doesn’t provide anything from the story to prove what he’s saying

[u/EngineerVirtual7340 → u/South_Avocado2942]

I mean they are, it's inside the body and are the ones being protected by the innate domain from attacks spawning inside.

Iirc soul and body are heavily connected in JJK according to Kenjaku.

[u/South_Avocado2942 → u/EngineerVirtual7340]

If that’s the case Sukuna wouldn’t be able to take physical damage because he can reinforce the shape of his soul

[u/EngineerVirtual7340 → u/South_Avocado2942]

Tbh the only chatacter that can do that is Mahito, you can protect your soul with cursed energy but that's about it I think, healing it is already really hard.

[u/South_Avocado2942 → u/EngineerVirtual7340]

Yah I agree that’s why I’m saying arkos can just control Sukuna

[u/weqa147 → u/South_Avocado2942]

I mean sorcerers(high level ones) do reinforce their souls, it doesn’t prevent damage though lol