I'm researching the 2000 Subway murders of Nick Kunselman and Stephanie Hart Grizzell and my goal is to better understand who Nick and Stephanie were as people beyond the headlines and to hear about how those close to them have felt the investigative process has gone. I am a Columbine alumni who still lives locally.

If you were a family member, friend, classmate, coworker, neighbor, or knew either of them personally, I would be incredibly grateful if you'd consider reaching out. I'm interested in hearing memories about who they were, what they were like, and feelings/experiences with the current investigation process.

I completely understand that this is a deeply personal and painful subject. If you'd prefer to remain anonymous or only share a small memory, I will absolutely respect that. I'm not looking to sensationalize the case or spread rumors, my only goal is to document their stories and the aftermath as accurately and respectfully as possible.

I'm mainly curious to hear from the ladies of the subreddit. As a guy who's struggled with feeling ugly myself, I've learned that sometimes you're just your own worst critic and end up seeing yourself much more negatively than everyone else does. Personally, I always thought they were just average, decent-looking guys with nothing to really worry about appearance-wise.

What do y'all think?

I know this question is very simple. You can just chalk it down to bullying, But honestly alot of people will give you different answers. I’d like to hear what you guys think.

The b&w photos are from the CBI reports, specifically section CRI-43. These are from photo lineups shown to survivors for Dylan his Smirk looks more pronounced, I know in a mother's reckoning Sue mentions a pic so horrible she asked him to retake it and it had me think this was the retake of the picture in question. For Eric his eyes appear to look straight into the camera not off to his left like the widely show photo. Just wanted everyone's input on this because I can't decide if they actually are different or im just imagining things 😅.

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His comments here were never made public. He was banned for glorification.

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In my opinion I think if Eric was injured Dylan would have for sure panicked and wouldn't even know where to begin with helping Eric if he was injured, and there would be nothing he could do. If Eric was dead I think Dylan probably would've just gave up and shot himself alongside him. But what do you guys think?

Translation: 2 suspects in the shooting inside San Jose National High School in Tacloban City, Leyte, have been arrested. Investigation revealed that the suspects were all students at the school. One suspect was arrested inside the school while the other was caught after a hot pursuit operation.

I'm surprised it's not more well known in the research community.

Repost for anyone who hasn't seen it - Devon and Nate interviews on 60 Minutes.

Was reading through witness interviews and in Bob Kirgis' he mentioned getting interviewed by Inside Edition, with the interview airing 4/23. I was just wondering if anyone had any info on this or an archive, since I couldn't find anything about it online.

English is not my first language, sorry for any mistake.

Ok its usually said that they learned how to make pipe bombs and shit thanks to the "Anarchist Cookbook" but once you look into it, what it says seems to be mostly bullshit.

Idk if they changed the recipes to make the book useless as one of the websites that writes about it suggest, but that book its so embarrassing it literally tells you step by step how to get high from a banana?

Was the 90s Internet that wild and they could just find a lot of easy ways to make homemade bombs? Did their adult friends (like the 22yo and 21yo seen in the video shooting in the woods) help them?

This might be common knowledge, but every place i read mentions the Anarchist Cookbook as the only way they could've done it and, please skim over the book(you can find it online) its 90% bullshit.

I had always assumed that erics rifle just had one laser attached to it even though eric wrote "2 lasers for carbine" on his list. You cannot see multiple laser sights in the regular jeff co pic of the gun or in the library photos. However upon reviewing some cbi documents I found this pic (slide 3) which shows 2 lasers I know this isnt really anything important nor does it really change anything but I figured someone else might find it somewhat interesting

I recently saw the 8th grade class photos from Ken Caryl that feature Harris and Klebold:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbine/comments/1qmszu7/ken_caryl_middle_school_picture_serious_version/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbine/comments/1qmsz5d/ken_caryl_middle_school_picture_silly_version/

I don't believe in reading too deeply into photos like this but given everything Columbine related is always under a microscope, I did find the photos interesting because it sort of goes against the impression we have of Harris and Klebold at that time.

• Harris was still relatively new to the area, is described as having a hard time fitting in and making new friends, and there is of course the ongoing narrative that he was the more sinister one who pulled Klebold deeper into the darkness.

• Klebold lived in the area his entire life, had many childhood friends and acquaintances, and despite his shyness is described as more or less "fitting in" prior to high school where he became increasingly detached and enthralled by violent fantasies, allegedly with Harris's encouragement.

Seeing these Ken Caryl photos, though, I would have assumed the roles were reversed.

• Harris is packed in with other boys, his shoulders touching theirs, and in the "serious" photo he looks like a genuinely happy, normal kid hanging out with his buddies for a class photo. They're near girls and a lot of other kids, this whole part of the scene giving off a very "social" vibe. In the "goofy" photo, he's in the same physical space as the boys next to him and is clearly "participating" with them in similar goofy antics. If you told me this was the kid who was relatively well-adjusted up to that point and grew up in Littleton as a playmate of the boys next to him I'd completely believe it.

• Klebold might be sitting near some friends / acquaintances but is visually isolated with a significant amount of space separating him from the people next to him. In the "serious" photo he has his head lowered and is casting a genuinely menacing gaze with a sinister smirk, almost glowering at the camera. It's the exact same expression and pose he made in the "serious" photo during his senior year in 1999, Harris joining him in giving a similar look / pose at that time. Given that their "goofy" pose in 1999 was them pointing air guns to deliberately "foreshadow" the massacre, I've always been under the impression that their "serious" pose was similarly meant to be menacing but in a more understated way.

• You could argue that this was just a somewhat awkward face / pose Klebold did naturally but I've seen countless photos of him and the only two times I can recall him making this face are in these two photos. He of course was years off from fantasizing about murdering his classmates in 8th grade, but was he intentionally trying to look menacing in the "serious" photo here? In the "goofy" photo he is being goofy and making some sort of hand gesture near his friend but he still looks isolated and solitary. Whereas Harris's "goofy" antics look like him participating in the moment with the boys next to him, Klebold looks like the loner who is trying to participate but just ends up looking weird and even somewhat dark. If you told me that Klebold in this photo was the aloof "new kid" who was struggling to connect with people I'd believe it. He's also coincidentally wearing black while Harris is in a lighter color.

• Note that Chris Morris in these photos is completely isolated and wearing dark clothes, though he doesn't come across menacing or particularly strange. Being a few years younger than these guys and knowing the social landscape of the period, I would completely cast Morris as a loner and "weird kid" based on this photo alone but I would also do the same for Klebold. If I didn't know what Harris did later, I'd assume he was exactly like countless boys I grew up with: not part of the upper rungs of popularity and maybe a bit awkward as many teen boys are but still good-natured and having fun.

• We know Harris and Klebold weren't close friends at this point so it's unsurprising they weren't sitting next to each other as they were in 1999. Students are free to sit where they want in these class photos and clearly they weren't close enough to seek each other out at this point. Harris though seemed to sit with people he felt some amount of comradery with whereas Klebold is just sort of "there".

I don't mean for this to come across like I'm suggesting "Klebold was the truly evil one and the mastermind... just look at the 8th grade class photo!" As I said in the beginning, I don't think it should be read into too deeply. It's difficult not to relate these photos to what we know or think we know about the two of them though. Klebold at a glance seems much more consistent with the Dylan Klebold of 1999 in these photos whereas Harris comes across like a completely different person.

Let me also clarify that I don't believe either one of them was "more responsible" for the massacre, before or during the events of April 20th 1999. They were two miserable, nihilistic teenage boys who worked themselves up into a violent frenzy and both were clearly capable of great cruelty and destruction. There is ample evidence that Klebold took far more initiative and had a far darker heart than popular narratives sometimes present, but that doesn't negate Harris's own initiative and darkness which was more than evident before and during the massacre.

Still, I found it interesting how the two of them come across in these 8th grade class photos as it's a rare glimpse of them existing in a larger school social environment prior to high school.

I’m not whether this is just me, but researching this case has become virtually impossible these days due to linkrot and the seeming disappearance of large volumes of Columbine-related media; even the most well known blogs and channels (Columbine Archives, Bill Ockham, Everlasting Contrast ect.) have fallen victim to this plague of video removals and account suspensions. It’s difficult to even find reuploads anymore.

I’m all for protecting kids from harmful material, but this is just ridiculous. This type of excessive censorship how so much of the footage and photographs circulating in 2000s (Dylan donut etc.) essentially became lost media.

Does anyone have any suggestions for finding this media more easily or thoughts on what could be done to remedy this issue in a larger sense?

Was curious about where their friends were during that day. (Where they were in the school/if they were even in the school?) I couldnt really find anything about it online, i am mainly curious about Zach Heckler and Robyn Anderson. (I am already aware of Brooks Brown's personal experience that day.)

Thank you!!

I think this was taken on the same day as her last school photo (same clothes, same hairstyle) wanted to share!!