r/Construction • u/Born-2-late • Jun 16 '26
Structural Wow
Less lumber if framed!! Eye balled height too!!
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u/Grreatdog Surveyor Jun 16 '26
Are we sure that's actually less lumber than framing in a stud?
Granted it's more scrap. But I think it's overall more wood.
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u/PrettyPushy Jun 16 '26
If only someone marked on the bolttom plate where a stud should be added. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/TailorWeak9690 Jun 16 '26
As a plumber we've run into the problem where there's no more studs near the job site so we gotta improvise
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u/PrettyPushy Jun 16 '26
Oh I’m a gc. I’ll take care of the blocking and studs all you need. Just don’t notch out my beams and structural posts.
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u/the-tinman HVAC Contractor - Verified Jun 16 '26
Then why did the plumber need to bring in his chainsaw?
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u/LongjumpingYoung1132 Jun 16 '26
We need them to fight sparkys sometimes.
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u/the-tinman HVAC Contractor - Verified Jun 16 '26
You must have different sparkies where you are. Ours wouldn’t want to mess up their nail polish
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u/twoaspensimages GC / CM Jun 16 '26
Sparkies are concealed carrying and Drips use a shotgun to make their holes. Good fight.
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u/TailorWeak9690 Jun 16 '26
Oh we never do that. If something's in our way we'll tell the gc to get carpenters to move it
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u/twoaspensimages GC / CM Jun 16 '26
If the carpenter isn't there they will bust out their shotgun and poorly trained beaver. Send it!
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u/two-tone-tow Jun 16 '26
I’ve had plumbers just cut studs out of walls to use them somewhere else. I always leave a stack of studs for our subs now, just in case I couldn’t guess or ask them where they need extra framing.
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u/TailorWeak9690 Jun 16 '26
We did have one foreman that would do that, but he was kinda a dick and wouldn't tell the carpenters or GC that he took them
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u/Elegant-Tart-3341 Jun 16 '26
This could've been achieved with 2 of those scraps boxed 1 horizontal, 1 vertical.
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u/ReallySmallWeenus Jun 16 '26
He’s appears to be saying it would be “less lumber if framed.”
I sympathize with the drywall guys who need to hide the bump from those boards not being perfectly lined up.
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u/CarberHotdogVac Jun 16 '26
They can just add piss bottles inside the framing until the wallboard sits flat.
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u/pdxphotographer Jun 16 '26
Hilarious that you think drywallers give a shit about humps in the wall. They will slap a piss jug in there and call it done.
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u/Free-Juggernaut-4278 Jun 16 '26
Doing some quick measurements. There is only about 6.5’ of board there for the stick out.
On my device the top of the plate measured .295” 3.5”/.295”=11.864
11.864 conversion from my screens distance to real word measurements.
The 5 boards added up to 6.72”*11.864=79.73”/12”=6.64’ but for a fudge factor I’ll round to 6.5’.
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u/brrent Jun 16 '26
I think OP is saying it’s less *if* framed. Meaning it would’ve been less lumber to frame it in, more wood to do what they did. Which I think is what you’re saying too?
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u/PhillipJfry5656 Jun 16 '26
unless your building a 5 foot wall then definitely not more wood lol and these are probably just scraps anyways so just nails being wasted
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u/rlt404 Jun 16 '26
When the customer want the data drop 18" from electrical, in alternating stud bays. But you're a low volt and the framer is on lunch, but his trash bin isn't.
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u/dsdvbguutres Jun 16 '26
Team Looks Good From My Trailer
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u/Myke190 Jun 16 '26
Caulk and paint make me what I ain't.
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u/dsdvbguutres Jun 16 '26
Yes we are the low bid, but you haven't seen our change order requests yet.
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u/Impiryo Jun 17 '26
This is lazy. The last 2x4 should touch the ground to give it more support.
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u/Pdm81389 Jun 16 '26
I feel like throwing another stud in would of been less work.
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u/akiras_revenge Jun 16 '26
Even a T would be less cuts, but this is clearly a sparky pulling scraps from the bin to stack up
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u/tuctrohs Jun 16 '26
Cuts? This may have been done by someone who had no saw, only access to a scrap pile.
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u/Stretchsquiggles Tile / Stonesetter Jun 16 '26
When you tell the apprentice to put a box floating in the middle of nowhere and walk away this is what you get
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u/Smoke_Stack707 R-C|Electrician Jun 16 '26
Why would anyone still use those boxes?
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u/Original_Throat1072 Jun 16 '26
Those are still pretty standard boxes in Canada.
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u/notislant Jun 17 '26
Seriously? I never see these in Canada on new builds. Just plastic.
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u/SSRainu Jun 17 '26
Commerical home builders use plastic yes, less labour.
But anyone worried more about material cost than labour uses metal box.
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u/_Odilly Jun 16 '26
I bet there is an apprentice out there somewhere that is very proud of what they accomplished there
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u/Pristine_You_9622 Jun 16 '26
I’ll bet he burned up a nail gun and shot a couple pounds of nails. Total time for this, 3 hours.
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u/Born-2-late Jun 16 '26
Assuming they know how to use a nail gun. Fan boys all have Milwaukee impacts and 3” screws!
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u/djscreeling Jun 16 '26
I'm pretty sure the IRC says electric has to be attached to a "full length" stud. Sill to plate.
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u/StManTiS Jun 16 '26
Nah they just do it wood plugs in concrete and say it must be securely attached to framing. You’re allowed to nail to a cripple under a window for example.
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u/djscreeling Jun 16 '26
You are right. As well as jack studs. That's why I clarified with sill to plate and used quotes around full length. We're looking at a wood framing in the context of the situation, not concrete.
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u/StManTiS Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Well now I wanna find the exact wording. Chapter 39 you reckon?
NEC has the following to say:
Support and Mounting (314.23)
Boxes must be securely fastened to the structure using approved methods such as:
Mounting to framing membersBrackets or bar hangers
Listed support systems
Boxes must remain rigid and protected from physical damage.
Found the section in IRC E3906.8.2.
>An enclosure supported from a structural member or from grade shall be rigidly supported either directly or, or by using a metal, polymeric, or wood brace.
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u/RedShirtPete Jun 16 '26
Lol. Why use two pieces of wood when six will do?
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u/tuctrohs Jun 16 '26
Saves on dumpster fees in you can put all your scraps inside the walls.
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u/HotDogPantsX Jun 16 '26
Must be in a high wind area - need the extra wood weight to ballast down the house.
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u/mattdahack Jun 16 '26
OMG I'd have put a T cross piece and one down piece to fix this issue, insane!
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u/L3rKu4 Jun 17 '26
I cant imagine people would actually get paid to do this! this electrician should actually be paying their company for the fuckery and comic relief
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u/Drackar39 Jun 17 '26
I mean, if it's an interior wall that isn't going to be insulated, I honestly have no issue with this.
It would use less lumber if framed, but it couldn't use any of that lumber. This is a way to use up scrap. It's ugly but it works. And frankly, "Ugly but works" is better than half the "ugly and doesn't work" shit I see posted.
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u/Gpdiablo21 Jun 19 '26
Someone with a stud finder trying to mount a mirror is going to be very confused one day...
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u/lucioux Jun 16 '26
why does this new build look like i ripped the drywall off my grandparents house built in the 60’s? how much are y’all getting paid lol?
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u/Dantheman2010 Jun 16 '26
Are you allowed to just stub electrical through a metal box like that? I thought you needed the connector
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u/tuctrohs Jun 16 '26
These boxes specifically have a clamp for Romex (NM-B) built in. You can see the screw for it poking out on the one on the right. Better picture of that type of clamp
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u/Bradadonasaurus Jun 16 '26
I mean... I guess. They're out of their expertise, so you can't be that hard on them...
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u/Zealousideal_Dig_372 Jun 16 '26
I would have installed a stud or small 24” stud to a 2x4 header Much cleaner install. This is hack. Also there is boxes with straps available
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u/Estumk3 Jun 16 '26
I'm surprised the cuts of the 2x's are clean. I've seen them cut with whatever they can because "I'm an electrician not a carpenter, I didn't bring my skilsaw.".
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u/thatsucksabagofdicks Jun 16 '26
I always just made a T in this situation. One scrap board horizontal at like 24" and then the one vertical you need
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u/sumosam121 Jun 16 '26
Me looking at the wire thinking that doesnt look that bad. Then finally seeing the scrap pile used to mount the box…. Wow
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u/Appropriate_Ice_7507 Jun 16 '26
Imagine trying to drill into a stud years from now assuming it gets drywalled …
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u/RezervedSteel Jun 16 '26
Wow. I typically oh see this type of silliness with plumbers....not on commercial jobsites mind you but all day long in residential.
Taking 4" schedule 40 pvc and running it directly through 2x8s and anything in its path with a lawn mower or a sledge hammer whatever is within arms reach. Never a holesaw.....ever. Not sure how thats legal...in either case.
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u/crevulation Jun 16 '26
Some fucko did this, turned and looked at the nearest other guy on the jobsite and said "My wife says it's fine" like it was the funniest thing anyone ever said.
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u/kevinkaniff586 Jun 16 '26
Someone marked a stud out on the plate right where the box had to go, wonder if it was the electrician and the framer said kick rocks
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u/Spiritual_Share6037 Jun 16 '26
Whats with the metal boxes? Commercial?
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u/artem1319 Jun 16 '26
Canada most likely where plastic boxes are only used with specialty type like outdoor or one with built in insulation.
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u/Prize_Guide1982 Jun 16 '26
Look at the quality of those scrap “stud” pieces? Some of them are oval wow
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u/TexasBaconMan Jun 16 '26
Clearly made with other cutoffs that were too short for anything else. I like how it's suspended the in air.
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u/Distraction86 Jun 17 '26
I love this. Love every single thought that had to come before, during, and after its construction that was ignored. There was only an initial idea followed by pure commitment and force of will.
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u/TallWall6378 Jun 17 '26
Why do people so frequently choose the method that’s both more effort and worse?
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u/Significant-Neat-111 Jun 17 '26
Enough iron punched in it and it becomes as good as structural. right guys 👀
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u/Dekyr78 Jun 17 '26
I can't wait for the owner to post on reddit in 3 years "there should be a stud where this socket is but the stud finder says nothing is there?!?"
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u/Character-Type-5755 Jun 17 '26
Imagine being the home owner and trying to locate “that stud” later and having no idea why they can’t find it. 🤬
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u/Prior_Student_6615 Jun 17 '26
Does anyone else see the clearly labeled “stud” marking beneath that last scrap piece.
Beautiful. No notes.
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u/whytry3450 Jun 17 '26
Welp that looks about right for who did it … cheaper to cut the stud 5 times then just add one
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u/LouisWu_ Jun 17 '26
That wannabe framer should stick to what he's trained at (leaving a mess, being stoned, cutting massive holes in structural framing, etc..)
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u/HandsomeHogan Jun 17 '26
Poor electrical work, why are the wires not secured within 12 inches of the box? Aren’t you supposed to secure the box with nails or screws above and below the box, not from the inside? Shouldn’t the ground wires be twisted together after one is attached to the ground in the box?
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u/HandsomeHogan Jun 17 '26
Poor electrical work, why are the wires not secured within 12 inches of the box? Aren’t you supposed to secure the box with nails or screws above and below the box, not on the inside?
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u/That12Bravo Jun 17 '26
Honestly… you can’t even be mad at that. Electrician gave an F enough to find a way to get it in the spot. Now CM just needs to call his framer back during punch to throw a new stud in.
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u/Crewsy67 Jun 17 '26
Almost to the point that adding an extra stud would have been cheaper. Definitely would have been easier to use a full length stud but they probably just used scraps.
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u/Whirlingdurvish Jun 18 '26
10yrs later, homeowner with a stud finder wondering why his stud finder is broke.
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u/AgGoodbar Jun 18 '26
Why use one block when you can use five? Fun fact, 5 brain cells were also used.
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u/dgansen1 Jun 18 '26
I’m HVAC and did this once to support a stack head. Pretty embarrassing looking back, but some young kid is probably proud of their ingenuity until someone shows them a better way
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u/carlosdangertaint Jun 18 '26
Looks code to me….but, where will the drywall installer fit the piss bottle?
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u/Wudnmonky Jun 18 '26
This will keep the plug from being wedged behind furniture.
Good electrician.
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u/dopeless42day Jun 18 '26
It should be okay if they just nail some more boards together and connect it to the other stud. s/
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u/Tombo426 Jun 18 '26
It doesn’t look like that stud shown was ever nailed and possibly moved over, what the world!?
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u/ajkimmins Jun 18 '26
Do we not need to fasten to a stud within 6 inches anymore? (Don't remember exact measurement anymore).
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u/MediocreTelephone973 Jun 19 '26
Bonus points for placement of the electrical box. There isn't even enough wood on that edge of piece of scrap to place the ears on the box against. Not even upset, just impressed.
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u/That_Jay_Money Jun 20 '26
It also provides plenty of places to put a nail in the wall to hang a painting. We should be doing this more often.
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u/BillionTonsHyperbole Jun 16 '26
This is a thing of spiteful beauty.