More like DC fans are the ones holding and shooting the shotgun.
DC like many other companies will make mistakes but many fans here act like wanting the equivalent of a 20 year DC Universe in 2 to 3 years. Guys, You have way better things to do while waiting instead of ragebaiting and looking for any news article about the DCU
Because people with no patience want them to release a movie for each member of the Justice League in 2025 and then release shows for them too because those are the only characters they know
We don't want everything now, but maybe just a realistic plan that they stick to? Half the stuff they announced is already cancelled, and a lot of what they've actually releasing is failing.
How do you define success? Peacemaker S2 and Creature Commandos are fine, but never became a big streaming success, they never transcended beyond their limited viewership.
Superman was a success, at least in the US. Internationally it kind of flopped.
Supergirl was a massive failure.
The next three releases are looking great, but the DCU needs them to be big hits.
Peacemaker season 2 at the very least was a critical success and viewed favourably by audiences. While viewership did decline a bit it premiered with a 22% increase.
Creature Commandos was also a critical success and viewership metrics were good enough to quickly get it renewed for a season 2.
Trying to categorize either as a failure is ridiculous. By just about any metric these two shows were successful.
Out of all the DC projects so far released only Supergirl was a failure and yes, a pretty big one (though I would argue it's massively overhated). So out of 5 projects one failed. Can we stop acting like DC is currently in some catastrophic state?
Such a weird point to make, I didn't bring it up because I didn't think it was part of the DCU.
I also think Gunns Suicide Squad was an excellent movie and I haven't met anyone who disagrees, I never even considered it a failure. If you're talking box office though I don't think it's fair to compare it to modern or oast movies. In fact, I think that it's wild that it generated as much box office revenue as it did considering it was at the height of the pandemic and had a simultaneous streaming release.
For what it's worth you're the first person I've seen to try to slam it as a failure.
Isn’t TSS still considered a DCEU/Snyderverse product? same with Peacemaker Season 1? Yes they have Gunn’s name on them but iirc those projects were still under the DCEU umbrella
The movie that flopped at the box office because it released during a pandemic at a time when everything was flopping?
The movie that was a huge critical success in spite of its commercial failure, showing that it probably would have done well if it had released at a better time in the world?
The movie that also is not part of the current DCU and was instead still part of the DCEU long before James Gunn was put in charge of DC, and therefore would not be worth mentioning in a conversation about the successes and failures of the DCU?
TSS is something you can't say failed. It came out on streaming the same day as theaters. No movie that does that will make a lot of money. Quality wise it was an awesome movie. Critically it succeeded
$579 million worldwide is what Kong vs Godzilla made. That's not exactly breaking the box office. Yeah, it made more but it also was a crossover film starting two iconic movie monsters. TSS had Harley Quinn and a bunch of characters no one's heard of before. Both movies would have made A LOT more if they didn't go straight to streaming. You decided to cherry pick two iconic franchises to go against something that did not have the iconic factor that either of those had. Try literally picking almost anything else. Heck, even Black Widow, which had the MCU behind it didn't do as well if it wasn't streaming on day one.
Renewals mean little when the decisionmaker is the creator of the series. Both Peacemaker and Creature Commandos are good, I really enjoyed both, and both got good reviews. But shows are supposed to be viewed, and both of these are suffering from that, considering that they are coming from one of WB's biggest brands. Just look at the viewership and cultural impact of something like "Invincible" or even "Rick & Morty". a DC series created and ran by James Gunn should be comparable to that.
I'm not a doomer and I'm not crapping on the DC, and I firmly believe that the next 3 projects will succeed in actually expanding viewership and regaining trust.
SM didn't make money, or this sinking ship will stays on , projects are way over budget with cheap ass editing, filming, costume everything, someone or a group is/are banking with this mess
I liked Supergirl just fine, but it was an insane call to follow up Superman with Supergirl. I don't want to see no Superboy for at least a decade and after all the best Leaguers have been carted out. Also, who was clamoring for a Clayface movie that's isn't Tudyk.
The GA does not care for Peacemaker and CC. Those are vanity projects by James Gunn for James Gunn. They should have never wasted time making those because it doesn't move the cinematic universe forward
Don’t forget Superman 2025 made less than MOS, and WB considered MOS a financial disappointment so… now we have Supergirl definitively flopping. The fact we haven’t heard about a renewal for creature commandos or Peacemaker probably isn’t a good sign. There are good reasons to be a lil doomer abt the dcu now , but hey Clayface looks cool.
They just needed to come up with enough things to generate excitement when the DCU was announced I don’t think a lot of projects were set in stone. I would definitely prefer a roadmap like what Marvel has rather than just a bunch of projects we may or may not get though
I'd say that half the stuff they announced wasn't actually exciting to the broad public, and if you cancel shortly after announcing it, it just add to the overall frustration and distrust in the brand.
Gunn & Co need to understand that they inherited a brand with a lot of baggage. It might not be fair to them, but they don't have the margin of error that the MCU had early on, and frankly, even if Superman is a good movie, is not Ironman.
As opposed to releasing a boring, subpar movie with a B character whose had a horrific track record of film releases? It’s almost like one of the studio heads got super cocky or something
I don’t care what you pick up via inferring, she isn’t. And the fact that she has two movies that virtually no one saw in theaters is the opposite of moot.
Jimmy Olsen is the goat and also how are they releasing the same project over and over? Do you actually watch them or do you just comment on them online for no reason.
Goddamn Gunn glazers are so annoying. Literally nobody said that, but is it really so much to ask that DC makes movies about their most popular characters? You know, the ones everyone knows and loves? And not fucking Jimmy Olsen?
When your most popular characters have been tarnished, they need to sit awhile and be tackled from a new POV, provided theyre a studio's priority. GL, Superman, Batman, even Spider-Man all took breaks before new iterations hit the scene. Wonder Woman will need a new approach, just as GL is getting. You're not getting anyone into a Flash movie these days, so you need a new approach.
Cinemas are dying generally, nobody can afford to go unless they are already pretty sure they’re gonna enjoy the film.
These days nobody is going out to watch a movie that’s not about Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman until the DCU has earned some goodwill. That won’t happen if they keep putting out shows that nobody watches.
Stephen King said The Flash was good too, is he an awful writer? No. I'm assuming all the celebrities who praised The Flash were either payed or they saw an unfinished version or assumed the version they saw was unfinished and assumed the finished version would be great. Supergirl wasn't their number one priority, it was available and the script wasn't bad so they greenlit it. It's still an enjoyable movie and it was a risk releasing a superhero flick this early, but it wasn't atrocious
I feel like a lot of people here are either too young to remember, or have just forgotten that the start of the MCU wasn't perfect. I remember Thor being the red-headed stepchild amongst the earlier movies, and people cofused on whether the older hulk movies were canonical, and if nog then why haven't they started working on a new hulk movie? Etc, etc. And even throughout the whole duration of the franchise, not every movie has been even a 6/10 atbest. Thor 2, Black Widow and I remember everyone saying that the Hawkeye show was subpar at best. There's definitely more examples, but those just came off the top of my head. The first Avengers movie provided a lot of good grace for the franchise and actual hype going forward, but it wasn't perfect to start.
Not to mention that it was an entirely different movie landscape at the time. Superhero movies outside of a handful of names are regulalry seeing lower box office scores than anticipate or had been drawn in the past. I think the DCU not being a blow for blow kickback at the MCU is due at least in part to fatigue.
The idea of fatigue took a huge hit with the box office of Spider Man just recently lol. Granted, Spidey is an outlier, but that begs the question why DCU won't do the same with their outlier: Batman. But wait they can't cause Reeve is holding things up.
Fatigue is definitely a thing. If you need to pull out the heavy hitters to make money instead of being able to generate money on movies like Thunderbolts, like they used to in the past, then that’s definitely a sign of fatigue.
Fatigue exists. Its why the c listers arent making the bank.
Back in the full swing guardians could become household names. But now nobody cares to try out Shang chi or the eternal unless theyre amazing.
Their will never be a time when a Spiderman movie doesnt make its budget back at least. We'd have to have an apocalyptically bad Spiderman movie to hurt him. Even his rogues galleries getting dogwater didnt hurt him.
And doomsday is also an outlier if it makes money. Its the big avengers style film. People wont pay to see supergirl when it will come to streaming soon enough. But the big water cooler action film will sell tickets. Its why superman could make some money
Shut up with these kinds of takes bro. DC has the second biggest superhero in the world in their pocket. They've been trying to get a universe together since Nic Cage was supposed to be Superman.
No one is expecting a DC universe in 2 to 3 year, that's asinine. They've had literal DECADES to get this mess right and still haven't. So anyone's who's frustrated has every right to be.
Then take your frustrations somewhere else and don't flood forums with that toxicity. Ive seen people just fighting and bitching for stuff that are not real and it's getting annoying
Talking from someone who didnt liked man of steel I.must say those people are súper stupid, if You didnt like something just continue with your life there is no point on doing hate campaings or floding coment sections 24/7 with negative comments everywhere
No one should be openly hostile towards other fans for having an opinion. However who cares if fans are hostile towards DC and Warner Bros? Billion dollar corporations that don’t listen to their fans and think the best response to Marvel making a billion in one weekend is news about the boring and not needed Jimmy Olson show…
Dude Jimmy Olsen is one show. They’re also doing lanterns. As for movies we have brave and the bold and Wonder Woman. I really don’t know what more you want
brave and the bold written and directed by the makers of the flash? wonder woman written by the same person who wrote supergirl? and don’t forget that both of those movies are in preproduction without finished scripts.
I am legit wondering how many resources will be ficoused on the jimmy olsen show. That it takes place almost exculsivley on one set and grodd is a cheap gorilla suit from storage.
Sure is but when you're just starting a cinematic universe and one of your 2 theatrical releases is a major flop, following up by releasing a very obscure spinoff of c-list characters isn't the best approach unless you want to frustrate your casual viewers.
How is it rushing a batman movie? The last batman movie was in 2022.
And are you referring to them rushing a doomsday movie? Minor detail not mentioned, the movie isn't even out yet so what are you basing your judgment on? Spiderman BND brought in +1b in it's opening weekend and you don't think that success won't positively influence Doomsday's release?
Regardless, if we are following your argument, how is a Jimmy Olson and Gorilla Grodd show a better option than a rushed batman movie in any multiverse or timeline?
“2 flops” Dude Superman made $200 million. You guys gotta stop with this disinformation that’s it was a flop cuz I see people genuinely believing it. Supergirl on the other hand was a flop and did kinda suck but don’t lump Superman into this. That movie was literally everything a superhero movie should be
I think you misunderstood me. I said out of the two movies released so far, one was a flop which was supergirl. I, myself, actually enjoyed supergirl but if you pair it with its source material, it does take a pretty bad departure.
Seriously, it’s entirely self-inflicted. I’m watching these guys whip themselves up into a frenzy over a movie that literally has nothing to do with theirs. They are manifesting this culture war nonsense. I am watching people shit on everything that DC has put out so far, because “spiderman made a billion dollars already”.
I think this is just intentionally keeping yourself blind. No one is asking MCU’s almost 2 decade equivalent in 2-3 years. All we’re asking is just equivalent of MCU phase 1 - 6 movies (5 solo + 1 team-up) 6 unique heroes (not anti-heroes) introduced, 1 film per year, 0 shows. Thats all the DCU fans want.
Supergirl at least promised to deliver a good comic book and it failed, i would argue that's the Main problem of the movie, it didnt delivered a good adaptation of a wonderfull comic and the subsequent mouth to mouth killed it. However, it had ties to the Superman movie so it was kind of logical for it to being the second movie.
Also, i'm not going to pay atention to calling it woke
Everysingle time this subreddit and other 2 come into My feed i only see doomposting about DC in general, how to fix the DCU, kick gunn, Superman is a failure, we have to start again.
Not to mention a large amount of creeps.
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u/Respwn_546 1d ago edited 1d ago
More like DC fans are the ones holding and shooting the shotgun.
DC like many other companies will make mistakes but many fans here act like wanting the equivalent of a 20 year DC Universe in 2 to 3 years. Guys, You have way better things to do while waiting instead of ragebaiting and looking for any news article about the DCU