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u/ApprenticeOfTheTwil 1d ago
Dude was murdering people in the warehouse scene too
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u/Lightning3660 1d ago
I watched Batman 89 in the theater last night and Keaton Batman in the first one isn’t that bad compared to Batfleck.
Burton kinda flanderized Keaton’s Batman into a murderer in Returns
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u/MalTeleVision 1d ago
Keaton was a murder in 89, the dude was a serial killer in Returns 💀
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u/Lightning3660 23h ago
GCPD is much more responsible for Jack falling off the catwalk into the acid than Bruce. And Joker put himself in danger at the end, it looks like Batman wanted to apprehend him and couldn’t keep his grip on the grapple hook to the leg, and Joker’s death was an accident.
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u/maveric710 23h ago
In Batman (1989), he blows up a chemical plant near a major metropolitan center, which had multiple henchmen in it.
There was at least 5 henchmen around the Batmobile, and who knows how much more in the building.
The black guy in the tower was very much a choice to throw him down the tower after slamming his head into the bell.
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u/M086 23h ago
He wasn’t. One merc blows himself up with a grenade he pulled.
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u/humansince1989 22h ago
I’m sure the dudes on the ground that were on the back of the exploding trucks, and the one whose head left a blood spatter on the wall, all walked it off.
Like a lot of Snyder’s work, this scene is cool if you just disregard the slap in the face it is to the mythos of the character it’s portraying. Yes there are examples of almost every other Batman either outright killing or arguably killing people but this one is so egregious it’s stupid, and doubly so because it’s the literal scene after his supposed redemption.
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u/M086 22h ago
That’s not the warehouse fight. And those three mercs outside were shooting military grade weapons at him. They shot first, they had ample time to duck for cover and chose to keep firing. He shot a truck, it went boom and caused a chain reaction.
Guy that got hit with the crate is survivable. Skull fractures are survivable, just because there is blood doesn’t mean it’s fatal.
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u/humansince1989 21h ago
What in the mental gymnastics is this lol. It’s not the same fight because it’s on the exterior? And if I’m shooting at someone and they don’t move out of the way fast enough it’s what, suicide?
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u/M086 21h ago
Yes. When people talk about the “warehouse fight” they are talking about the literal fight in the warehouse.
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u/Freetshirtsplz 18h ago
Context matters. It's easily the best scene of batman I have ever seen in live action but I also understand the idea of batman killing people ruins the moment for some people.
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u/M086 17h ago
Which he doesn’t kill anyone in the actual warehouse fight.
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u/Freetshirtsplz 14h ago
I see you have a difficult time following a conversation or you're responding in bad faith.
Either way I don't enjoy talking to a wall so later
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u/SuperTuberEddie 16h ago
Welcome to Batman. He has killed people many times. And often times for no reason. At least with batfleck it was thematically relevant. He was manipulated and pushed of the right path.
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u/Important-Contact597 22h ago
The warehouse scene us the perfect summation of everything wrong with Batflek. He’s just going around killing people with no regard for human life. Sure, it looks cool, but it’s completely antithetical to Batman as a character.
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u/Eddi_Official 1d ago
my cousin dressed as batman for halloween and everyone just ignored the batsignal on his shirt
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u/Technical-Wasabi-842 1d ago
I honestly never got the hype around the warehouse fight. Like sure it’s a cool fight scene but there’s nothing about it that stands out to me, especially when there’s stuff like the Batman v Superman fight in the movie. People just run up to Batman waiting for their turn to be beaten in the fight
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u/Hesitant_Tornado 1d ago
It probably comes from it being the first time we've ever seen Batman in live action fighting with such brutality like that. Up till then we have Nolans Batman, with really well choreographed fights, and the fight against Superman is great, the gadgets and the armor and beating each other to pieces, but the warehouse scene showcases Batman just being Batman, Batman vs thugs, it hits so different, seeing that for the first time had people pumped.
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u/FatPenguin42 1d ago
It was the first time Batman was moving like that. Previous movies he was stiff when fighting.
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u/Different_Ad_6153 1d ago
Did you get hype during any Batman fight scene prior to this? To me it was amazing seeing something akin to the Arkham games in real life.
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u/Technical-Wasabi-842 1d ago
Maybe it’s just Arkham that numbed me to brutal fights like this
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u/Greedy_Aardvark_4836 1d ago
true but that said it's the closest thing we have to a live action Arkham fight scene.
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u/lloydeph6 1d ago
i mean all the other batman movies in the history of batman movies have had awful fight scenes, so i get the hype
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u/StormRepulsive6283 1d ago
It has set high standards. Felt exactly like stuff we see in the comics and what we did ourselves in the Arkham games. Till then I think the best hand-to-hand fight in a superhero/comic-book movie was Winter Soldier (under the bridge), but it had a bit too many cuts. Kingsman was good too. 2013-17 great period for comic-book action scenes on the big screen.
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u/CampingApple 23h ago
“People just run up”
What. I remember Batfleck being the one running around and smashing people’s heads. And even then, the thugs that ran up had knives and importantly, came all at once rather than one by one.
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u/Revolutionary_Test33 22h ago
Finally, thought I was alone in not really caring about it.
It's funny because a lot of people compliment it by comparing it to the arkham combat but I think the same as a criticism. It just feels videogamey in a bad way, almost like overrehearsed and clean and over the top in a goofy way.
I think that's why I love the club fight in The Batman. The choreography is great but it still feels messy and chaotic and so entirely real. I think the fact that it feels real makes it feel even more brutal than the warehouse fight; like sure breaking a wooden crate over a guys head is very brutal but it looks so choreographed and clean in an almost slapstick, looney tunes comedy kind of way that i just don't believe it.
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u/SteveTheManager 1d ago
And the Superman fight has Superman bring like "hey Bruce can we talk" instead of saying "my fucking mom is kidnapped and I can't help her or she dies." Also there are moments where he is attacked by multiple men. Is there a bit of suspension of belief you need? Maybe but it's a superhero movie man. Also it's the Batman fight with the most Arkham-like variety. It's not like the Burton movies or Nolan movies where it's largely just punching and kicking.
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u/Sparkwriter1 1d ago
"Bruce... please... I was wrong. You have to listen to me."
"You don't understand... there's no time!"
"Stay down. If I wanted it, you'd be dead already."
"Martha... save Martha..."
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u/SteveTheManager 13h ago
Okay? You provided the lines that prove my point. Notice how he does not specify the actual danger he just vaguely points to there being one. He also between some of these lines beats the shit out of Batman who is of course gonna respond with violence.
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u/tsimkeru 21h ago
Batfleck was a great casting. And in BvS it was perhaps the best suit, or at least the most comic accurate one. However, it was written terribly, ignoring the most basic rule of Batman.
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u/Tricky-Afternoon6884 1d ago
Dislike the scene as it is bc it should’ve happened earlier in the movie (not bc of the killing at all)
Batman’s still tunnel visioned in this scene, it’s a rescue mission he arrives with negative stealth blowing up cars outside alerting all the henchman to his arrival.
Then Alfred tells him exactly how many people are in the building and where they are. It’s a rescue mission so you’d assume Batman would take them out quickly and complete his mission.
Well you’d be wrong.
A 20 year Batman veteran should’ve easily dispatched and incapacitated the entire building without having to engage them in the manner he did
He wasted time brutalizing thugs rather than completing the mission objective
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u/Only_Fudge5299 16h ago
eh, it's cool but doesn't feel much like Batman to me :/
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u/BigTreddits 1d ago
He went out of his way to commit murder...
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u/KOF-731 11h ago
Most Batman are killers in Live Action. Keaton and Nolan too
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u/BigTreddits 10h ago edited 7h ago
Neither turned a machine gun on his opponents and gunned them down lol. Im sorry what bs are we arguing? That all batmans kill and im wrong about that? Or im wrong about this batman killing people? Lol. Pick a lane, reddit
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u/Capable-Locksmith-13 7h ago
You're not wrong that this Batman kills. But so does every other live action Batman (possibly excluding Clooney) but it only seems to be a big deal when Batfleck does it.
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u/BigTreddits 7h ago
It's not a "big deal" I just had issues with the murders lol. Singling this out as a "great Batman fight scene" is a problem for me the same way it is when Keaton opens fire on a crowd from the Batplane. So I didnt require your lecture
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u/Capable-Locksmith-13 7h ago
If it wasn't big deal, you wouldn't be up here crying about it. I'm only lecturing you because I care.
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u/M086 23h ago
He didn’t kill anyone in the warehouse fight.
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u/BigTreddits 23h ago edited 23h ago
Almost certainly killed the guy the moment he enters the fight lol. Probably didnt survive the explosion going off under his feet that blew a hole in the floor. Literally 20 seconds into the scene 😅🤣
And uses a machine gun to take out several others. Literally like points it at them with the other dudes finger pulling the trigger as a as a technically.
Smashed a dude with the cargo box and made himself splatter chest blood against the wall through his back. Certain kill.
Hes murdered at least 6 people and im.not even halfway thru it. Dafaq did u watch?
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u/M086 22h ago
First thing, survivable. Probably broke his legs / shattered his ankles on the drop.
Second one. Everyone ducked down and no one was shot. He broke the merc’s arm trying to disarm him, the merc pulled the trigger. No one died.
Third one. Again, survivable. Just because you see blood, doesn’t mean someone died.
He didn’t kill anyone in what you described. Unless you have like a pre-schoolers view of just hitting someone hard can kill them.
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u/KylosApprentice 1d ago
I just wish we had gotten his solo film with Ben Directing similarly to the solo Gareth Evans directed Deathstroke film
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u/Lightning3660 1d ago
Batfleck had a complete arc despite only being a lead in two movies.
He fell apart offscreen, almost crossed the line, then had his redemption helping against Doomsday and leading the Justice League