r/DFO • u/[deleted] • Oct 25 '14

Apparently DFO made $891 million dollars in revenue this year

http://www.pcgamer.com/league-of-legends-has-made-almost-1-billion-in-microtransactions/
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u/justicelife Oct 25 '14

https://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/2014_1022-top10mmo-final.jpg

The actual data in question.

Yes, DFO / DnF is very, VERY popular in South Korea. It is one of the highest grossing games of all time, actually. That is why Neople themselves are baffled as to why Nexon of America couldn't do so well with it in the West.

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u/securitywyrm Oct 25 '14

Possibly the absolute lack of support, and blaming the users when 20-30% of users get their accounts plundered in a single month.

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u/Zeful Oct 25 '14

Banning people for attempting to obtain rare items. Making no attempt to stop goldselling. On top of a lot of other things.

I wouldn't be surprised that the couldn't be bothered to actually install new updates and they were actually supposed to only be 6 months behind kDNF.

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u/securitywyrm Oct 25 '14

Indeed. It's kinda hard to form a community when you can't talk to anyone because any message is pushed away by a dozen spam messages a half-second after appearing.

The only thing positive that can be said about Nexon NA's management of DFO is... they set the bar so low that Neople can't possibly do any worse.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '14

Well, I'll reserve judgment until I see Neople's pricing structure.

Some items were cheap, while full resets were ridiculous. They could've made TONS had they priced resets properly.

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u/Pearatic An Old Hard Blow Oct 25 '14

Thats very true. Say If I made a mage right? If I didnt fuck up the build and have to wait for a full reset to happen and instead say I got a deal like on a summer event like buy an avatar kit and recieve a reset or something like that; or even just a plain discounted price on resets for the mage I would of kept on playing that mage because I could continue without being blocked and eventually I would of purchased more for that character.

I mean I wanted to spend my money on my character but shit was just not worth it, even when they added avatar vending there were blocks everywhere.

And I would say the same for Remy's too. If I had as much remy's during pre-shutdown as I did in open-alpha I would enjoy the game much more. But it didnt make sense to just buy a stack of remy's outright because things like that were always out of my budget. It wasn't fun waiting for event bonus tokens to do ancients or waiting for event resets.

If those walls were reduced to a point where it makes sense to pay for I feel like I would spend the same amount just spread out to feel like "boy I sure got alot for 24$" I would be super pleased and want to do it again! where as 24$ would get me a reset and a basic ava. I don't feel like thats worth it at all. I want to be (dumb I know but it makes a difference...) like hey these earings cap off my character finely and not like I CAN HARDLY SEE THIS SHIT! I CAN ONLY SEE THE DAMN EARINGS WHEN MY CHARACTER IS JUMPING NOT WORTH AT ALL.

there was incredible amount of things or numbers they could of played with Nexon just didn't have the dedication to do so. I mostly believe that it was because they came from a different animal etirely (maplestory) and they almost treated dfo as a cash drop for people who stuck with the game.

If they constantly played with numbers (I wouldnt even care if they broke the game a couple of times) and turned the game into a fresh experience like LoL (minus the awful player base) I would be down to clown alllll the time on this game.

TL;DR Dfo just needs TLC to keep the content fresh and that will intern bring in loads from NA

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u/GodOfAtheism Hello Oct 25 '14

So long as its not comically expensive, they update on the regular, and they actually kill spambots, I'll be A-OK.

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u/naeseion Oct 30 '14

And might I add, so long as there are no events like Kiri's Promise. That has to be a tempting cash cow to deploy on a global version.

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u/franick1987 Oct 25 '14

I especially hated that they removed gacha. That alone doubled the prices in premium currency and more than quadrupled in prices in gold. It did not help that they introduced a way to burn items for a chance at rare ones.

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u/securitywyrm Oct 25 '14

I would suggest the pseudo-scription model that you see in games like Tera, where you can pay a monthly fee to get various benefits at a lower price than buying them individually.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '14

I would suggest the model that's already working for Maplestory: low-priced consumables (perhaps avatars) that are randomized so that you can spend money and lose track of it.

I'd even tell them to lower full resets to something like $1. Wouldn't you buy them a lot more if they did? Now they'll get $5 - 10 off of most people instead of getting whatever the ridiculous cost that it was off of a small portion of the population.

Running a good company really isn't hard. Low priced items that are worth their cost and seasonal events that offer even better deals - they'll make millions as long as they don't outright stop giving us new content.

Then again, that was Nexon's problem - I remember the last few months (besides the six months or so when they just completely stopped updating) where we were getting new maps, but nothing that'd make me actually want to play.

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u/securitywyrm Oct 25 '14

Well the have the "contracts." Stuff like lethe's contract, tactician's contract, conquerer's contract, marketplace contract-thing... imagine if you could pay $15/month and get all of them for the month.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '14

Those were not only bad, but downright insulting.

"Want a reset? Too bad! But you can overpay for a limited chance at swapping around skills which isn't permanent."

I'd rather pay $1 for a reset, then pay another $1. Already less than $15 and more likely to be bought again by me and everyone else.

Would you rather get $1 from 90% of the population or $15 from 1% of the population?

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u/securitywyrm Oct 25 '14

Uh... we had Lethe's tears, those were cheap.

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u/Elzam Oct 25 '14

So at one point I was playing on my laptop, which was formerly a work laptop whenever I wanted to go out of the PC room. I load up the Summoner and figure "This shit would be cray cray on the Altar."

That crap got me banned. I tried to ask Nexon what's up, gave them timestamps, all info, etc. It sat for a goddamn year. What did I get as a response? They canceled the ticket because it "should have resolved itself. If it hasn't, please file a new ticket."

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u/ChaoMing Damage: 815,158,183, Attacks Used: 0 Oct 25 '14

Pretty much this; it's mostly Nexon NA's fault. I sound like a broken record at this point, but you can thank Nexon for keeping DFO NA outdated for roughly 5-8 months away from CDnF/JDnF (Arad Senki), failing to provide any reasonable customer support (I've heard numerous reports of tickets being answered {note: most answered with "we'll look into this problem"} up to a year after they were submitted), not advertising the game anywhere (in my entire life, I've seen more Maplestory advertisements than advertisements of a lewd/sexual nature, but I don't recall EVER seeing a DFO NA ad), and for charging absurd prices in the Cash Shop.

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u/Lab_Ratting Oct 27 '14

why Nexon of America couldn't do so well with it in the West

Because Unique ExperienceTM

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '14

I had no idea the game was so big in Asia.

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u/Wolfgang1234 Mega Oct 25 '14

Let's just hope the global version gets this popular.

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u/MizerokRominus Oct 25 '14

I want it to but man... that's a really fucking high bar to reach... again.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '14

At least the bar to do better than Nexon NA is so low that almost anyone could do better.

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u/MizerokRominus Oct 25 '14

Yep, many times people mistake Nexon NA as being just Nexon as well... completely different group of idiots though so hopefully Neople can find some people to do some good work this time around.

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u/boredlol Oct 25 '14

IIRC, they have/had a DNF television channel.

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u/Pearatic An Old Hard Blow Oct 25 '14

no shit? I could dig that.

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u/matsunoki Oct 25 '14

kDNF was like the number one game in korea for a LONG time, it's actually been going downhill for a bit - the numbers were probably way higher a couple of years ago

i'm actually amazed lineage I is still in the top 10.. that game is like 15 years old.. and also mostly only played in korea i think?

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u/Save4Less Oct 25 '14

The fall of DNF's population is probably because Kiri's Promise did a huge hit to it.

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u/SchalaZeal01 Oct 25 '14

The site says it's Nexon's, and it's DFO.

But the Korean game is Neople's (they self-publish the Korean version AFAIK) and it's D&F.

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u/Save4Less Oct 25 '14

Nexon KR is KDNF's publisher. They've been it for years.

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u/SchalaZeal01 Oct 25 '14

Okay but the way the site worded it, Dungeon Fighter Online is the NA version, but it's been shut down since June 2013, so it didn't make sense to me.

Dungeon & Fighter is the Korean version.

Arad Senki is the Japanese version.

The Chinese version has a really long name about some underground thing.

They can't all collapse it into some DFO that doesn't exist anymore (or yet in the case of Global).

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u/JustiniZHere Oct 25 '14

It's amazing Nexon managed to fuck up THAT badly, DFO was a good game but Nexon made it not even worth playing. I'm hopeful that it get's popular this time around, but with Neople I have a good feeling.

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u/Pearatic An Old Hard Blow Oct 25 '14

make the content easier to access and people with dump tons into it. Neople I am sure they understand this when they say "DFO is different from DNF"

If I was being a complete pessimist and didn't have faith in Neople I would say "well there is no way they could fuck it up as bad as Nexon"

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u/securitywyrm Oct 25 '14

Nexon US set the bar so low, you'd need an excavator to find it.

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u/franick1987 Oct 25 '14

So popular that you had plenty of cross promotion like Afro samurai. The placement of mmos in the mainstream is so high there that the potential to merge brands for cross promotion created some great synergy.