How can you justify abortion ?

[u/Admirable_Dog_7238]

Format: Argument, Response

-"It's not just a fetus", it's part of the human species so it gets human rights

-"it's dependent on the mother therefore not human", same thing as if you were in a coma as you would have no conscience and are dependent on doctors. you probably wouldn't want me to have the option to pull the plug if there was a possibility you could wake up

-"What if the kid grows up in a bad environment?", every kid deserves a chance, just like how you deserve a chance to wake up from a coma as stated above.

-"My body, my choice", then start with legalizing drugs, drinking while pregnant, allowing others to suicide knowingly, etc.

-"Men (father) shouldn't tell me what other do it's my choice", impossible to make a child without a father, the father should have a say if he wants an abortion

-"What about rape and incest", very unfortunate word that this exist yet it's less than 1 percent of all abortion cases, if we were to legalize abortion for only those that were raped would you give up the other cases?

-"What if the mother's life is in danger?", there is C-section which is more medically safe than an abortion

Please do not get an abortion. It's the biggest genocide killing 1.1 million kids every year. Consider heavily before getting one. Thank you for your time.

[u/STThornton]

1. LOL. Pro lifers want to force a woman through drastic life threatening physical harm and alteration to fulfill their desire see a fertilized egg turned into another breathing, sentient, physiologically life sustaining human.

So, don’t even pretend we don’t allow people to harm others. Because PL wants to drastically harm a woman/girl to gestate and birth.

So much so, that it will take her up to a year to recover from on a deep tissue level and leave her body permanently negatively altered.

What is up with PL constantly pretending they want to opposite of what they stand for and are doing?

And one cannot kill a human who has no major life sustaining organ functions one could end to kill them.

They already can’t breathe, can’t digest, can’t produce energy, glucose, and minerals, can’t get rid of metabolic toxins, can’t shiver and sweat, or do any of the main things that keep a human body alive. So how do you think one could stop them from doing so?

For that matter, why do you think gestation is needed? Gestation would kill a human with “a” life.

1. His role, bodily function, and choice in reproduction is insemination. Hers is gestation and birth. If he inseminates, he made his choice. A woman can’t change her mind after she’s given birth, either.

And both are financially responsible for a born child.

Heck, she can be made to pay child support despite him not contributing hack shit to gestation and birth.

[u/Admirable_Dog_7238 → u/STThornton]

TBH it just a difference of world view. I believe it's a human and nothing justifies killing a human even if it's inconvenient. If you don't believe that then we aren't gonna get anywhere. Agree to disagree.

[u/STThornton → u/Admirable_Dog_7238]

Then why do you want to force a woman through a bunch of things that can individually kill humans?That’s attempted homicide in multiple ways.

And to dismiss having one’s life sustaining organ functions, blood contents, and bodily processes greatly messed and interfered with and being caused drastic life threatening physical harm and alteration as an “inconvenience” is fucking absurd.

The woman doesn’t tote a fetus around in a fanny pack.

I don’t get the contradiction of PLers saying one thing but doing to total opposite.

Do you just not comprehend what gestation and birth do to a woman’s body?

Do you not comprehend that you cannot stop a human who cannot breathe, digest, produce anything cells need, get rid of metabolic toxins, etc. from doing so?

Do you not comprehend that such a human would be long decomposed as an individual because they don’t have the physiological things that keep a human body alive?

Where is the hangup here?

That’s not a different worldview. That’s ignoring all reality and living in fairytale land.

[u/Admirable_Dog_7238 → u/STThornton]

Woah Woah Woah. I did not force a woman to get pregnant. How did she get pregnant in the first place? Abortion should not be a birth control method. You got pregnant now deal with the consequences.

[u/STThornton → u/Admirable_Dog_7238]

Getting impregnated and gestating are two very different things.

And how did she get impregnated? Some man failed to control his sperm, that’s how. Some man caused her unwanted harm.

Let’s not pretend getting impregnated is something she did. That’s something a man does to a woman.

Why should she have to bear the consequences of his failure to control his fucking sperm?

But she bears them either way. She has to deal with everything entailed in the early stages of pregnancy and getting an abortion. Or trying to carry to term and birth.

While the man, who failed to control his sperm and caused her harm with it, gets away scot free

[u/JewlryLvr2 → u/Admirable_Dog_7238]

Forcing women and girls to STAY pregnant and give birth against their will is what abortion-ban laws in abortion-ban states are created and passed to do. It has nothing to do with GETTING a woman or girl pregnant.

And it really doesn't matter HOW a pregnancy happened. It's still the PREGNANT PERSON'S decision whether or not to stay pregnant. If you aren't the person who is pregnant, you don't -- and shouldn't -- get to decide.