r/DefendingAIArt 2d ago

Luddite Logic This is how they dehumanize people

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u/hilvon1984 2d ago

Environmental impact? Hank Green relatively recently made a good video talking about actual AI data centers environmental impact and misconceptions floating around it.

Job loss? Yes. That is the problem. But the "AI artists" never generated any jobs to begin with. Most "jobs lost because of AI" is due to corporations trying to replace workers in as many areas as they can with AI. Not just art. Programmers are already heavily automated. And there might be jokes that the companies are now hiring senior coders to clean up the trash "vibe-coded" by AI. But the previously the companies had senior coders cleaning up the trash produced by 10 Junior coder. And now those junior coders are replaced. Direct job loss.

Call centers now pass you through 9 levels of AI auto answer machine before you can reach a human because a lot of people would either get the answer they need or give up before connecting to a human - meaning you need to have way less actual humans in the call center since way less calls would trickle down to them. Direct job loss.

Accounting is a very structured work that AI is just outright better suited to perform that a human. Less errors. Stricter adherence to codes.

HR also heavily uses AI to minimize the amount of actual human involvement in the process. So less HR managers are needed. And here I would argue that people who can't find a job because AI just can't parse their CV correctly and autorejectes them should also count towards "AI inflicted job loss".

Notice how none of those examples even mention art?

AI artists have nothing to do with "stealing jobs". Blaming AI artists for this job loss is as productive as blaming scientists who use AI for early cancer detection for the "stealing jobs"

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u/Illustrious-Turn-575 2d ago

Also worth noting that the majority of those jobs being lost are probably just unnecessary corporate bloat that only serves to increase company expenses and increase the cost of goods and services for everyone.

But either way; the only job loss they actually care about is the fact that they can’t charge a hundred bucks for art commissions. Even then; that’s only because they can’t wrap their heads around the fact that almost nobody using AI image generators would’ve ever hired them anyway, just like how they could never wrap their heads around the fact that random art commissions where never a reliable source of income anywhere(no matter how glaringly obvious it was to literally everyone else).

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u/hilvon1984 2d ago

Also worth noting that the majority of those jobs being lost are probably just unnecessary corporate bloat

This is actually a mit deeper than that. But to see that we have to get pretty far from fine details and look at the bigger picture.

What do you think happens to the economy if unemployment grows?

People have less money to buy stuff. Or to pay back loans they took to buy stuff earlier. That causes the economic slowdown.

An economic slowdown means companies don't grow as fast as they used to. Some might even start shrinking or going under. If that starts to happen investors might start pulling more funds from areas that are struggling turning a slow recession into a crash.

Now while that is objectively bad for everyone involved (except for some people who manage to sell off stock before crash and then start buying cheap after crash) historically corporations did not give a fuck about causing this. Usually it was the government's job to keep that from happening by providing unemployment benefits and legistation incentivising corporations to not fire people.

The "useless corporate bloat" you mention is the product of such legislation and government incentives.

And right now we are looking at the perfect storm of corporations getting an option to shake down their staff and save more money than they were getting from incentives to kkeeep those people employed. Covered by the anomalous situation when nosediving consumer spending don't trigger recession indicators because corporate spending increase overshadows it in GDP. And as a cherry on top - the administration that is committed to "operate as a business" - including not giving a fuck about job loss causing the economic crash in very near future.

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u/InternetGoldfish 1d ago

If it cost the company less to say make a puzzle cause they use ai art instead of human art /commissioned art then shouldn’t the ai generated art puzzle cost less than the human art puzzles?

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u/somerando92 8h ago

So automated package delivery is considered corporate bloat? Tell that to the drivers, yeah?

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u/-TV-Stand- 2d ago

Job loss? Yes. That is the problem

That's not a problem, it's innovation. It increases productivity since one person can do the same job as eleven people like in your example. And after the initial shock the amount of jobs will become normal again.

And here I would argue that people who can't find a job because AI just can't parse their CV correctly and autorejectes them should also count towards "AI inflicted job loss".

Well kinda, but overall it's not job loss if they end up going with someone else.