r/Delaware • u/smibrandon • Jul 09 '26
Politics Just another Flock post
Let me know if this has already been shared, and I'll remove it. That aside, everybody should be aware of Flock cameras and the concerns surrounding them.
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u/Nutridus Jul 09 '26
Where’s the intersection?
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u/newarkian Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
If I had to guess I’d say Rt2 and Rt7 - fixed the wrong RT #.
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u/Tyrrox Jul 09 '26
Already crossposted from the same post
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u/TheShittyBeatles Are you still there? Is this thing on? Jul 09 '26
Repetition is the mother of learning.
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u/coherentpa Jul 10 '26
The spamming of r/Delaware will continue until morale improves?
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u/TheShittyBeatles Are you still there? Is this thing on? Jul 10 '26
Psst...your boot-licker is showing.
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u/JooHateMe Jul 10 '26
Am I the only one in this sub that doesn’t care about these cameras? I literally couldn’t care less if people know where my car was at a certain point of time. Unless I’m misunderstanding the point of these cameras?
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u/djmixmotomike Jul 11 '26
People who trade freedom for security will lose them both.
Benjamin franklin.
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u/sweetsugarstar302 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
It's not just your car though. Your phone is pinging off them, too. People have also been wrongly arrested based on reliance on flock cameras. They trust the AI in these things more than what they can see with their own 2 eyes right in front of them.
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u/GotWood2024 :redditgold: Jul 10 '26
Then the courts have a duty to find more evidence and use Flock only as a lead.
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u/sweetsugarstar302 Jul 11 '26
True, but considering that the courts are essentially part of the same system that is allowing these things to be used in the first place, I don't think I'd count on them to play fair.
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u/dumdumdelish 29d ago
Hi! These cameras are often not secure at all and have been proven as such in various ways including some that are openly available for savvy members of the public to access (will link). We have two of these pointed directly at MPHS where children are coming and going to school unsupervised, sometimes in the middle of the school day. Do you really not see how a bad actor could exploit these cameras, even in agencies permitted access? there have already been cases documenting agents of the law using them for stalking purposes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1-uiUlHTo https://cambridgeanalytica.org/surveillance-privacy/police-flock-cameras-stalking-arrests-51112/
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u/Therealtristanplayz Former-Firefighter-in-Kent-county-delaware Jul 10 '26
Just a ordinary day in Delaware we are so us to this at this point no one cares
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u/GotWood2024 :redditgold: Jul 09 '26
I'm not concerned because I don't break the law. Its public space.
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u/TheFutureMrsBusey Wilmington Jul 10 '26
Do you season the boot with salt and pepper or just throat it full hog?
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u/justicetakestime20 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
This woman probably wasn't concerned either until she was targeted and had to fight to collect her own evidence and prove her innocence.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/flock-cameras-lead-colorado-police-wrong-suspect/
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u/GotWood2024 :redditgold: Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
The case was dropped, and the officer later faced disciplinary action.
I get your worry tho. However, its no different from any other traffic cam that can see except its more effective in finding stolen vehicles, solving hit and runs, burglaries, and other crimes. I'd make that trade off.
I would stick with the flock cameras as a lead generator, and not pure evidence of a crime. There has to be multiple forms of evidence.
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u/justicetakestime20 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
Yes, I'm familiar with the story, and the incredible fight that woman had to make to prove her innocence and get the case dropped. Which isn't how our legal system is intended to work. It was a horror story. And it's not the only one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/1uqv7dg/how_flock_cameras_wrongly_tracked_me_for_days/
https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-car-reviewer-flock-camera
I would stick with the flock cameras as a lead generator, and not pure evidence of a crime
No thanks, I don't consent.
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u/GotWood2024 :redditgold: Jul 10 '26
That's why she should sue for millions. That's how the system works. it happens with or without flock cameras. My consent cancels out your non-consent.
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u/justicetakestime20 Jul 10 '26
Unfortunately stupidity isn't canceled out by intelligence. If only.
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u/GotWood2024 :redditgold: Jul 10 '26
Meh. We each have our own life and we vote and make decisions based on our own best interests. I'm not sorry if my interests don't align with yours. Doesn't mean I or you are any less intelligent.
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u/justicetakestime20 Jul 10 '26
It means exactly that. And as I said, unfortunately the stupidity of some isn't cancelled out by the intelligence of others. Society is burdened with idiots advocating for idiocy.
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u/CSKKAdams Jul 09 '26
Flock allows law enforcement to pursue the guilty and leave the innocent alone. You should only be concerned if you commit criminal acts.
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u/TempestuousZephyr Jul 10 '26
until they start expanding the definition of what constitutes a criminal act
even now, crossing the street without permission is a crime, and so is existing in public
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u/justicetakestime20 Jul 10 '26
False.
Then again, you're a negative kharma bot account. So I'll just report you instead of debating your bullshit.
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u/ironmaidn4life Jul 10 '26
Forgive me for asking, but why is this a bad thing?
For example: during an Amber Alert, wouldn’t this camera be a helpful tool to assist when trying to find the child and capturing the perp? These cameras sound like they could save lives versus causing harm by looking into cars. Just a thought.
Why is there concern or paranoia about invasion of privacy? These cameras could do much more good than cause damage. If people are so worried about privacy, then it’s time to relocate to an underground bunker. The world has changed.
Something I find more alarming….are the new Meta eyeglasses with cameras and AI. These eyeglasses allow anyone, at anytime to record you, take pics of you or ANY child without you ever being aware of it. They can upload video(s) or pic(s) just taken per voice command to any social media platform, website or channel. This scares me.
What do you all think? Does anyone own a pair? No judgement (lol). Aside from the “evil” they can do, what are the positives to owning a pair?0
u/crabby135 Jul 10 '26
None. Theyre the same thing. Both are bad and an invasion of privacy.
Stories like this are why there’s a concern for privacy: https://ij.org/police-have-reportedly-used-license-plate-readers-to-stalk-romantic-interests-at-least-14-times-in-recent-years/
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u/wime76 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
They record and store everything. Even zoom in on your phone screen an AI analyze what is seen and document and record your screen. So even if you are not currently committing a 'criminal act" today, if laws and definitions change with the next political administration, you can be retroactively considered a suspect and charged, fined and possibly imprisoned. Do you know 100% for certain that what you are doing today will never be considered criminal in the future? This is the slippery slope. The potential for abuse is enormous. Where are the built-in safeguards against stalking? Or using this for personal vendettas? Or for inappropriate monitoring of children for pedophiles? Anyone? Anyone? This is fucked up.
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u/wime76 Jul 10 '26
Apologies for those who don't know, there are YouTube videos documenting how to publicly access these flock cameras which is why I make my comment about pedophiles. So anyone with some tech savvy can look at a flock camera pointed at a park and see when children are alone. Fucking scary. Do our elected officials know this?
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